Tax hikes eyed as way to save El Segu...

Tax hikes eyed as way to save El Segundo Fire Department

There are 94 comments on the Daily Breeze story from Jul 25, 2010, titled Tax hikes eyed as way to save El Segundo Fire Department. In it, Daily Breeze reports that:

As El Segundo's budget woes came into sharper focus late last year, city leaders began looking at a proposed merger with the Los Angeles County Fire Department as one way to fill a multimillion-dollar budget gap.

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Been there Before

La Puente, CA

#21 Jul 26, 2010
You must be carefull going down the LA County Fire Road............Once you make that decision there is no going back. Starting up your own City Department would be far too expensive with the initial start up costs. There will be cost savings in in the first few years of the County Contract, but then you will be at the mercy of the LA County Board of Supervisors who will jack up the cost in future years to pay for the salaries and benefits for all the LA County (who were formenr El Segundo Fireman) who will be now manning your stations
Get a Life

Bellflower, CA

#22 Jul 26, 2010
Other Options (Dave Burns) Stop the madness!!!!!!! If the fire department goes LA County, the city will save over 90 jobs! Its a fact!!!!! you were at the strategic planning session, the numbers were laid out. if you want all other services cut in the city, then go to the podium on Aug. 3 and state your case. I'm sure that it will help your future in politics. You argue that it will take 30 min for a private ambulance to get on scene. Where is your data??? Was it something that happened to you over 15 years ago in another county? LA County has agreements with the private ambulance companies which require them to be on scene in a lot shorter time. your argument SIR is INVALID!
You seems so against the Fire Department. Didn't you work for the El Segundo Fire Department? Didn't you test for the department, and not pass? YOU WANTED THE SAME RETIREMENT AND BENEFITS THAT YOU NOW TRY TO ARGUE AGAINST!
And Dave STOP signing letters "EMT/ Paramedic retired, ESFD"
-You never worked in the capacity of an EMT or Paramedic for the El Segundo Fire Department. Stop trying to make it look like you were one!
D Burns

El Segundo, CA

#23 Jul 27, 2010
Get a Life wrote:
Other Options (Dave Burns) Stop the madness!!!!!!! If the fire department goes LA County, the city will save over 90 jobs! Its a fact!!!!! you were at the strategic planning session, the numbers were laid out. if you want all other services cut in the city, then go to the podium on Aug. 3 and state your case. I'm sure that it will help your future in politics. You argue that it will take 30 min for a private ambulance to get on scene. Where is your data??? Was it something that happened to you over 15 years ago in another county? LA County has agreements with the private ambulance companies which require them to be on scene in a lot shorter time. your argument SIR is INVALID!
You seems so against the Fire Department. Didn't you work for the El Segundo Fire Department? Didn't you test for the department, and not pass? YOU WANTED THE SAME RETIREMENT AND BENEFITS THAT YOU NOW TRY TO ARGUE AGAINST!
And Dave STOP signing letters "EMT/ Paramedic retired, ESFD"
-You never worked in the capacity of an EMT or Paramedic for the El Segundo Fire Department. Stop trying to make it look like you were one!
Seeing my name posted (called by a neighbor). It's interesting to see some proponents here who are calling for raising taxes in the city, and those desirous of going to LA County Fire do not reside in El Segundo. They freely attack those who live in the city, yet it's the ES residents who ultimately face the consequences of the decisions being considered. As a resident, I simply ask the city to get creative, look hard, and keep an open mind in evaluating other valid options before taking drastic measures that could hurt struggling businesses. As "been there before" stated, once the decision is made there is no going back. El Segundo residents alone face the consequences of the decisions being made, the firefighter's association.
Going to County Fire and saving the city 90 jobs? There are other options available beyond just raising business taxes & layoffs. We should not be myopic. I believe cutting salaries is a viable and reasonable option before applying layoffs to city staff. El Segundo residents faced similar issues; are our safety officials somehow exempt? Seeking alternative services is a viable option.
I expect opponents to blindly attack ideas that might challenge personal agendas that offer no alternatives to the city's residents. I want to keep our local paramedic ambulances, not rely on private ambulances, face higher ambulances rates, higher response times, and delays in dispatch.
The city still faces 4-5 years of $4 to $5 million in projected deficits, that's close to $20 million. This isn't over. That is why getting creative is a good option in meeting the challenges that lie ahead.
The libelous statements made by "get a life" are completely false. It is interesting the Daily Breeze would allow libelous statements to be made. But when you can't articulate an effective argument, you simply go on the attack to change the subject.
Here are the facts:
- I retired from the field as a paramedic in 1992 on disability.
- I suffered some hearing loss in the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake as a result of field work and exposure to high noise.
- I have been unable to meet the physical eligibility req's for firefighter since 1992.
- I have NEVER applied to be a firefighter in El Segundo.
- From 1999-2006, I worked in the El Segundo fire department, and left after being recruited to establish a new emergency management administrative office in a prestigious university.
- I posted an editorial to the Daily Breeze (Sunday, 6-12), signing off as "EMT/paramedic, retired" (here is the link): http://www.dailybreeze.com/letters/ci_1528663...
"get a life's" rant is bogus, also lacking the courage to state their true name.
It's easy to be an anonymous, making up lies and propaganda. It takes courage and integrity to get your facts straight and sign your name to it.
Hey Clueless

La Canada Flintridge, CA

#25 Jul 27, 2010
Greed is Not Good wrote:
Cut the firefighters cushy pay and unecessary overtime. Most importantly, curtail the obscene CalPERS pension benefits that allow them to get 90% of their salary starting at age 50!!! That will balance your budget and keep you out of bankruptcy and higher taxes!
Now I see why you didn't pass the entrance exam to be a fire fighter, you can't even spell unnecessary! Love it.
Most of those guys will not reach their full pensions at 50 because they respond to incidents to save professional victims like you from themselves, thus getting career ending or disabling injuries over time. Before you jump on the bandwagon, at least get your facts somewhat in order. And stop whining, maybe in the next life you'll have a better career.
Jerry

Redondo Beach, CA

#26 Jul 27, 2010
NO TAX HIKE If the city council is serious about the budget then reduce expenses from the top first. Every city official should drive there own car and pay own expenses like the rest. No reason to increase taxes.
Clueless in Glendale

Los Angeles, CA

#27 Jul 27, 2010
Hey Clueless wrote:
<quoted text>
...Most of those guys will not reach their full pensions at 50 because they respond to incidents to save professional victims like you from themselves, thus getting career ending or disabling injuries over time. Before you jump on the bandwagon, at least get your facts somewhat in order. And stop whining, maybe in the next life you'll have a better career.
That is just the kind of propaganda and myths the fire and police unions like to promote - "we deserve our high pensions because we die young." Unfortunately, it is total garbage, an urban legend.

According to published 2008 CALPERS actuarial statistics, the average public safety retiree lives until 83 years of age on average. That's 33 years if they retire at age 50, and 28 years if they retire at 55. It's a myth, a total fabrication. Source: Stephen Greenhut's article "Do Public Safety Officials Die Early" http://bit.ly/brNwqP

Life expectancy data for public safety members (police and fire):

- If the current age is 55, the retiree is expected to live to be 81.4 if male, and 85 if female.
- If the current age is 60, the retiree is expected to live to be age 82 if male, and 85.5 if female.
- If the current age is 65, the retiree is expected to live to be age 82.9 if male, and 86.1 if female.

The facts speak for themselves.

Since: Apr 10

United States

#28 Jul 27, 2010
Been there Before wrote:
You must be carefull going down the LA County Fire Road..........Once you make that decision there is no going back. Starting up your own City Department would be far too expensive with the initial start up costs. There will be cost savings in in the first few years of the County Contract, but then you will be at the mercy of the LA County Board of Supervisors who will jack up the cost in future years to pay for the salaries and benefits for all the LA County (who were formenr El Segundo Fireman) who will be now manning your stations
After realizing a cost savings of 4-5 million dollars per yr. who in their right mind wouild ever want to go back???
Looking for an answer

Los Angeles, CA

#29 Jul 27, 2010
If you think public safety employees are overpaid...How much should a person be compensated to risk their life for a total stranger?

Please respond!!!!

Since: Apr 10

United States

#30 Jul 27, 2010
Looking for an answer wrote:
If you think public safety employees are overpaid...How much should a person be compensated to risk their life for a total stranger?
Please respond!!!!
The going rate. Figure the National Average then add a few bucks to compensate for the higher cost of living in Calif. and there you have it.
willie

United States

#31 Jul 27, 2010
Other Options wrote:
Don Brann is pulling a $15,500.21 monthly, and $186,002.52 annual pension as former Superintendent of Wiseburn Elementary.
The solution is cutting safety salaries by 10% minimum, and raising how much the city employees contribut to their pensions. The other city employees should takes a 5% pay cut, they cost way less the police & fire, and take the bulk of the city's annual budget.
El Segundo has a spending problem. Don Brann is part of the problem. Raising business taxes will not help the city out this hole, a self-inflicted hole. Here is what Don Brann has done since being elected in 2008:
El Segundo City Council raised water taxes over $15 million in the past 4 years. Brann approved a water rate increase last year. The El Segundo City Council gave its City Manager a 15% pay raise in 2009 to $250,000 annually. The El Segundo Police Chief earned $425,775 in 2009. His lifetime pension:$17,517.78 a month, and $210,213.36 annually
32 of the 54 El Segundo firefighters earned over $100,000 last year in salary. Average salary was $176,118:
Fire Chief -$270,052
Fire Captain -$258,868
Fire Captain -$258,709
Deputy Fire Chief -$258,533
Battalion Chief -$250,330
Fire Captain -$228,263
Fire Paramedic -$233,616
Fire Captain -$220,145
Fire Captain -$206,257
Fire Captain $205,744
Fire Captain -$202,375
Fire Paramedic -$196,031
Firefighter -$194,558
Fire Paramedic -$193,381
Fire Captain -$185,436
Fire Engineer -$180,740
Fire Paramedic -$179,759
Fire Engineer -$176,601
Fire Captain -$174,661
Fire Paramedic -$168,341
Fire Paramedic -$163,459
Firefighter -$161,164
Fire Engineer -$160,000
Firefighter -$121,519
Firefighter -$118,953
Fire Paramedic -$116,571
Fire Engineer -$113,403
Fire Paramedic -$112,530
Firefighter -$109,027
Firefighter -$108,857
Firefighter -$102,034
Fire Engineer -$99,794
my.....gawd!!!.....look at that......what the ......

this sounds like .......Bell Ca.
willie

United States

#32 Jul 27, 2010
Looking for an answer wrote:
If you think public safety employees are overpaid...How much should a person be compensated to risk their life for a total stranger?
Please respond!!!!
how about as much as a person in the United States Military

do you think you are smarter or better???

as a matter of fact, why don't we make it a requirement for civil service........PRIOR MILITARY SERVICE

.....YOU ARE OVER...OVER....PAID
Reality Check

Los Angeles, CA

#33 Jul 27, 2010
According to the United States Government and the US Marine Corps the salary for someone risking their lives starts at $1,447.20 a month.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/projects/mone...
willie

United States

#34 Jul 27, 2010
Reality Check wrote:
According to the United States Government and the US Marine Corps the salary for someone risking their lives starts at $1,447.20 a month.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/projects/mone...
that would not do for El Segundo's well connected trophy children, they need twice that a week
Pedro Fan

Redondo Beach, CA

#35 Jul 27, 2010
Looking for an answer wrote:
If you think public safety employees are overpaid...How much should a person be compensated to risk their life for a total stranger?
Please respond!!!!
No more than in any other city
sillie willie

Desert Hot Springs, CA

#36 Jul 28, 2010
city of bell is served by the l.a. county fire dept. and most people that live in the city of bell live in poverty. just sayin
Outside Opinion

Mission Viejo, CA

#37 Jul 28, 2010
I live in a different county, and we had the same complaints about our firefighters. But I came around to the other side and supported them when I really learned what they do. Sure, some nights they sleep, but when my neighbor, who is a ff, gets up a couple times at night for calls, he is tired, but he was away from his family and sucks it up and does his family duties. I also noticed that he has missed countless holidays (Christmas, Thanksgiving,Easter Egg hunts, etc) not to metion his children's and wife's b-days, his kids sporting events, school plays, baby's first steps. All so we know if we need help, it is minutes away. I understand the concern about pay and pensions, but there is more to their profession than washing the Engines and sleeping. My neighbor was distraught for a couple days and stayed in his home after a shift. When our wives spoke, she explained that a young child died in his care and he was disturbed. Glad I don't take that kind of stuff home with me. My biggest gripe at work is the dirty break-room refrigerator. I am just suggesting that people stay on topic and not diminish what firefighters do...I'll bet if you needed their services, you would feel differently. Something to think about.
joy

United States

#38 Jul 28, 2010
Jerry wrote:
NO TAX HIKE If the city council is serious about the budget then reduce expenses from the top first. Every city official should drive there own car and pay own expenses like the rest. No reason to increase taxes.
yeah, the only city business they do is...lunch
joy

United States

#39 Jul 28, 2010
Outside Opinion wrote:
I live in a different county, and we had the same complaints about our firefighters. But I came around to the other side and supported them when I really learned what they do. Sure, some nights they sleep, but when my neighbor, who is a ff, gets up a couple times at night for calls, he is tired, but he was away from his family and sucks it up and does his family duties. I also noticed that he has missed countless holidays (Christmas, Thanksgiving,Easter Egg hunts, etc) not to metion his children's and wife's b-days, his kids sporting events, school plays, baby's first steps. All so we know if we need help, it is minutes away. I understand the concern about pay and pensions, but there is more to their profession than washing the Engines and sleeping. My neighbor was distraught for a couple days and stayed in his home after a shift. When our wives spoke, she explained that a young child died in his care and he was disturbed. Glad I don't take that kind of stuff home with me. My biggest gripe at work is the dirty break-room refrigerator. I am just suggesting that people stay on topic and not diminish what firefighters do...I'll bet if you needed their services, you would feel differently. Something to think about.
the " poor" guy had to work for a living once in his life...

what do they "work"???.....24hrs on ....72hrs off???
Neeto

Los Gatos, CA

#40 Jul 29, 2010
willie wrote:
<quoted text>
how about as much as a person in the United States Military
do you think you are smarter or better???
as a matter of fact, why don't we make it a requirement for civil service........PRIOR MILITARY SERVICE
.....YOU ARE OVER...OVER....PAID
what do you know about military service. We make squat!! Firefights are not smarter or better but the have a lot of training. If you set the wage really low what kind of people would you get? If you pay a high wage, you generally get better people. Not to mention not every person can be a FF. They have strict hiring processes, and huge physical requirments.
Paco

United States

#41 Jul 29, 2010
Neeto wrote:
<quoted text>
what do you know about military service. We make squat!! Firefights are not smarter or better but the have a lot of training. If you set the wage really low what kind of people would you get? If you pay a high wage, you generally get better people. Not to mention not every person can be a FF. They have strict hiring processes, and huge physical requirments.
over paid union thugs......bleding america dry

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