Stand your ground law.

Stand your ground law.

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JWRussell

El Paso, TX

#1 Jun 27, 2012
The state of Texas passed a law stating you have the right to defend yourself (always has been a law) without having to first retreat. It says and has been shown that a person of reasonable mind can confront a person or persons who are breaking into your home or neighbor's home to demand they stop. If the persons fail to stop and drop the property then you have the right to defend your neighbor's home and property. You also have the right to protect another person whom you feel is being assaulted with deadly force to the degree that the assault is stopped and the victim is "saved".

In the case being tried in Houston where the man confronted people because there was a noisy party going on instead of calling the police. It is alleged that he took with him a firearm at the time of the confrontation. This is not a case of standing your ground (you have no duty to retreat) but of advancing the ground toward the problem party not unlike the incident in Florida with Zimmerman. He was found guilty on June 13th and is now awaiting his sentencing. I hope he gets 25 to life. Too bad that he failed to properly read the law and understand that stand your ground means your duty to retreat is not valid when you take and advance the ground.
A right to be

United States

#2 Jun 27, 2012
JWRussell wrote:
The state of Texas passed a law stating you have the right to defend yourself (always has been a law) without having to first retreat. It says and has been shown that a person of reasonable mind can confront a person or persons who are breaking into your home or neighbor's home to demand they stop. If the persons fail to stop and drop the property then you have the right to defend your neighbor's home and property. You also have the right to protect another person whom you feel is being assaulted with deadly force to the degree that the assault is stopped and the victim is "saved".
In the case being tried in Houston where the man confronted people because there was a noisy party going on instead of calling the police. It is alleged that he took with him a firearm at the time of the confrontation. This is not a case of standing your ground (you have no duty to retreat) but of advancing the ground toward the problem party not unlike the incident in Florida with Zimmerman. He was found guilty on June 13th and is now awaiting his sentencing. I hope he gets 25 to life. Too bad that he failed to properly read the law and understand that stand your ground means your duty to retreat is not valid when you take and advance the ground.
You need further understanding.
As you read the law,..... A right to be where I am....
If I advance to my neighbors and defend his property...

Might seem to ya it's wrong, but I would be in the right....

To further enhance an understanding, we and our neighbors have signed a reciprocal landowner action EXPECTING our neighbors help in times of thieving trespass and property defense.
let there be no misunderstanding,
NO TRESPASS means that and trespass will not be tolerated.
TEXAS CHL

United States

#3 Jun 27, 2012
JWRussell wrote:
The state of Texas passed a law stating you have the right to defend yourself (always has been a law) without having to first retreat. It says and has been shown that a person of reasonable mind can confront a person or persons who are breaking into your home or neighbor's home to demand they stop. If the persons fail to stop and drop the property then you have the right to defend your neighbor's home and property. You also have the right to protect another person whom you feel is being assaulted with deadly force to the degree that the assault is stopped and the victim is "saved".
In the case being tried in Houston where the man confronted people because there was a noisy party going on instead of calling the police. It is alleged that he took with him a firearm at the time of the confrontation. This is not a case of standing your ground (you have no duty to retreat) but of advancing the ground toward the problem party not unlike the incident in Florida with Zimmerman. He was found guilty on June 13th and is now awaiting his sentencing. I hope he gets 25 to life. Too bad that he failed to properly read the law and understand that stand your ground means your duty to retreat is not valid when you take and advance the ground.
Do you currently have a valid Texas CHL?
JWRussell

El Paso, TX

#4 Jun 27, 2012
A right to be wrote:
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You need further understanding.
As you read the law,..... A right to be where I am....
If I advance to my neighbors and defend his property...
Might seem to ya it's wrong, but I would be in the right....
To further enhance an understanding, we and our neighbors have signed a reciprocal landowner action EXPECTING our neighbors help in times of thieving trespass and property defense.
let there be no misunderstanding,
NO TRESPASS means that and trespass will not be tolerated.
The gentleman was taking the action to another person's property and not in protection of the property but to complain about noise being produced on the property. There was no criminal action being committed other than a nuisance violation. A city noise ordinance which has only a fine attached.
TEXAS CHL

United States

#5 Jun 27, 2012
JWRussell wrote:
<quoted text>The gentleman was taking the action to another person's property and not in protection of the property but to complain about noise being produced on the property. There was no criminal action being committed other than a nuisance violation. A city noise ordinance which has only a fine attached.
The case you're referencing is not the question.

Do you have a Texas CHL?
EPPD wimps

United States

#7 Jun 27, 2012
Property Intrution wrote:
OK then for the exception of emergency vehicles such as Ambulances, Fire Truck Sirens and Police Sirens and lets including the early morning trash picking trucks.
These noises intrude into the sovereignty of our privacy which is quite understandable and acceptable
by normal human standards.
But what gives the right to those that have loud car stereos with high bass blasting the decibel meter causing the ground to shake from underneath you making your house windows rattle setting off car alarms as they drive by.
Can I get my 9. millimeter and chase off after them and put a few holes into their heads?
There should be a Law for this that would enable citizens to take the law into our own hands since the city police will not take action or give them citations, I have gotten tempted to go on a vigilante cruise and hunt these idiots down one by one.
Use of deadly force is limited to protecting people and property..
Understand your plight but the EPPD needs to deal with it.

Since: Mar 11

El Paso, TX

#8 Jun 27, 2012
I agree that PD should handle the situation, but when the call goes over the air PD is ALWAYS too busy with other thing's (most often a 45 minute wait). I live directly across the street from a convienience store I have found that going over to the jerks with the loud music thumping, you simply ask them for a little respect (which of course they expect from others) most of the time you will get a good response. Going up to anyone with a bad attitude and you will the same in return. Of course there are those little turds out there you just want to slap the crap out of, but then YOU get arrested for their lack of respect.
Local turds

United States

#9 Jun 27, 2012
therealgrtwyt wrote:
I agree that PD should handle the situation, but when the call goes over the air PD is ALWAYS too busy with other thing's (most often a 45 minute wait). I live directly across the street from a convienience store I have found that going over to the jerks with the loud music thumping, you simply ask them for a little respect (which of course they expect from others) most of the time you will get a good response. Going up to anyone with a bad attitude and you will the same in return. Of course there are those little turds out there you just want to slap the crap out of, but then YOU get arrested for their lack of respect.
You can only hope...

Since: Aug 10

El Paso, TX

#10 Jun 28, 2012
The police departments are too busy following the orders of industry agendas by fluffing up the drug busts to get more Drug Grants. And in this great recession of course there's not enough police. That's not going to improve so instead of hiring more people or lowering the police academy standards even more, put up CCTV cameras all over the place. That alone would save millions.

Since: Feb 12

Tucson, AZ

#12 Jun 28, 2012
The guy in question, who got 40 years by the way, had called the cops repeatedly and they failed to respond. He attempted to do the right thing but as is the case most of the time the cops failed to respond.
Now that did not make it legal for him to go and shoot anyone but I can understand his feelings.
It may also be noted that he was on the line with 911 at the time of the shooting asking them for help, which of course did not come.
It seems that these type of people think that it is their right to infringe on everyone elses right to privacy by blasting their music soo loud that you can not enjoy your own music or tv inside your home.
While I understand that this guy overstepped I look at it as a community service. One thing is for sure. These guys won't bother other people anymore with their inconsiderate actions.
The cops need to accept some of the blame for this one. A person can only take soo much before they snap and act.

Since: Aug 10

El Paso, TX

#13 Jun 28, 2012
Property Intrution wrote:
That's another stupid POCrap are those CCTV cameras, surely they are all rigged to a command center.
The person or crackheads behind the control panels are either blowing each other or are desperately trying to trap people to give them citations.
Who ever came up with that idea should be shot execution style and their children should be abducted and held for ransom out in the desert inside a pit.
Till they remove every single one of those cameras.
I have never seen so many of them, but this is El Paso the crap hole of America that is no wonders why every place in the whole country makes fun of this place.This is really a dysfunctional city and it's citizens are insanely pathetic morons.
And this genius tells us that crackheads should and will be hired as police. Unless there was an alternative message that got lost in the echoing ranting of his empty head.

Since: Aug 10

El Paso, TX

#14 Jun 28, 2012
UR BS wrote:
The guy in question, who got 40 years by the way, had called the cops repeatedly and they failed to respond. He attempted to do the right thing but as is the case most of the time the cops failed to respond.
Now that did not make it legal for him to go and shoot anyone but I can understand his feelings.
It may also be noted that he was on the line with 911 at the time of the shooting asking them for help, which of course did not come.
It seems that these type of people think that it is their right to infringe on everyone elses right to privacy by blasting their music soo loud that you can not enjoy your own music or tv inside your home.
While I understand that this guy overstepped I look at it as a community service. One thing is for sure. These guys won't bother other people anymore with their inconsiderate actions.
The cops need to accept some of the blame for this one. A person can only take soo much before they snap and act.
The better option is to archive evidence, video, decibel readings, etc., then sue the guilty party and the city.

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#16 Jun 28, 2012
Kool Arrow wrote:
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The better option is to archive evidence, video, decibel readings, etc., then sue the guilty party and the city.
Well based onthe fact that th vast majority of us do not have decibel meters laying around hat may be difficult.
The better solution would befor the cops to do their job and enforce the ordinance.

Since: Aug 10

El Paso, TX

#17 Jun 28, 2012
Property Intrution wrote:
<quoted text>I said that those behind the camera monitors must be on crack or blowing each other off.
Then the solution is to keep your porn fantasies private and don't blend them in with real world issues, you dumb, oblong-skulled jackoff.

If you're going to barf your opinion, don't expect flowers when it's nothing but whining and no solutions. Now if you're just going to barf more teenage level sludge, you're not wasting my time, rather go fist yourself.

Since: Aug 10

El Paso, TX

#18 Jun 28, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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Well based onthe fact that th vast majority of us do not have decibel meters laying around hat may be difficult.
The better solution would befor the cops to do their job and enforce the ordinance.
Decibel meters:$20

If you think relying on a bunch of pigs that only do it for a paycheck, under orders of some disinterested bureaucrats is the better solution, then you go with that and get back to us with updates of your progress.
AA McCoy

El Paso, TX

#20 Jun 28, 2012
Look at what the Gun Done...
Greatest music

United States

#21 Jun 29, 2012
AA McCoy wrote:
Look at what the Gun Done...
The sound of freedom!
Think things through

El Paso, TX

#22 Jun 29, 2012
Thank god we have the 2nd amendment (right to bear arms) here in the US. If not, we would probably be at the mercy of heavily armed criminals who bully unarmed citizens for money, property, and just because they can; like they do in Mexico. Any criminals break into my home and I got a little surprise waiting for them,: "Say hallo to my lil freng".(Mossberg 12 gauge and other assorted friends.) But only for protection! I ain't no dumbo Zimmerman!
AA McCoy

El Paso, TX

#23 Jun 29, 2012
Think things through wrote:
Thank god we have the 2nd amendment (right to bear arms) here in the US. If not, we would probably be at the mercy of heavily armed criminals who bully unarmed citizens for money, property, and just because they can; like they do in Mexico. Any criminals break into my home and I got a little surprise waiting for them,: "Say hallo to my lil freng".(Mossberg 12 gauge and other assorted friends.) But only for protection! I ain't no dumbo Zimmerman!
You'll probably shoot yourself or your wife (murder suside) or one of your kids before you shoot a criminal , like your type always do.
Think things through

El Paso, TX

#24 Jun 29, 2012
I'm not stupid like you, AA Dumbass. Many Americans have firearms for protection without ever having a problem. Ive had them for 35 years without any problem or incident. Now if there was someone like you in the house, that would be a different story because you don't have the smarts to own firearms.

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