OBAMA WINS 2nd Term
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#104 Nov 18, 2012
_49er_Arrrrrrr_ wrote:
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Nobody Took your Money the sorry ass republican minion, No One Took even a Nickle From You you POS your are Bitter Because Mitt Ronmey Lost, GET OVER IT or LEAVE THE COUNTRY you stupid JERK.
I was answering URBS's BS. Unfortunately, the format mixes his crap with my answers. He has nothing but ranting and complaining about obama. Obama won. Move on UR BS. You talk in generalities and expect to be taken serious. Be specific to the mandates. Be specific to what you are arguing. Strop whinning UR BS. Be a man and take the beating like romney did. Move on or move out.
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#105 Nov 18, 2012
UR BS,

You seem to think you know a lot. Tell mr what you would do and how you would fix the country's problems. Starting with healthcare, social security, defense, foreign policies, national security, public assistance (entitlements), economy, etc. What are your solutions. How are they better than obama's? Be specific and don't pull the romney 5 point plan on me. Knowing so much and being so wise, why is it difficult for you to share this vast knlwledge with these ignorant democrats? Is it so hard to help instead of whine? Why not drop the crying and poor loser attitude, wipe the poop off your face and say, "here's how we do it"? Or are you saving your secret knowledge until the next elections where you will defeat the democrats single handedly. Really, no offense, your beliefs are your beliefs, but open up your brain a tiny bit to other possibilities. I see the point that you are so hard trying to make, but it's not coming across like anything other than being a sore loser. This is not about you or me or obama or romney. What is good for Amerika?
Ashamed American

El Paso, TX

#106 Nov 18, 2012
Imagine if Limpy arm and sara were running the country the last 4 years. hahahhahahhahahajajajajaja

Since: Feb 12

Torrance, CA

#107 Nov 19, 2012
_49er_Arrrrrrr_ wrote:
URBS and Full of Shit that it drips off your face, GM is now posting a profit and paying back to loan.
You are a total disgrace and you should be ashamed for spreadind lies.
Infact you don't even know what you are talking about.....Obama Rocks..... FOUR MORE YEARS...FOUR MORE YEARS...FOUR MORE YEARS.... You like the rest of your ilk are envious of our President.
What would had Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan done by now? They even LOST THERE OWN STATES what does that tell you CRYBABY? LOSER you also lost in the El Paso elections goes to show you that you are truly a SORE IGNORANT LOSER.
TAX THE RICH TAX THE RICH, thet don't provide JOBS and help the economy what so ever, TAX THE RICH.
You must be the poster child for gullible. GM is making a profit, and paying back the loans?
Lets look at it for a second.
The so called pay back was in actuallity a Government grant that was not part of the original loan that GM used to pay back the loan. So they took our money, then used more of our money to pay us back. Wish I could do that!
Now as to the profit thing. GM is getting a rare benefit that no other company in the US gets. They are building a car, the volt, and selling it at a loss yet claiming a profit because the Government is subsidizing it. The orders for the volt are from the government. They are in fact paying more than what is required and still giving GM a subsidy for everyone they build. Pretty good deal if you can get it.

Since: Feb 12

Torrance, CA

#108 Nov 19, 2012
idgaf wrote:
UR BS,
You seem to think you know a lot. Tell mr what you would do and how you would fix the country's problems. Starting with healthcare, social security, defense, foreign policies, national security, public assistance (entitlements), economy, etc. What are your solutions. How are they better than obama's? Be specific and don't pull the romney 5 point plan on me. Knowing so much and being so wise, why is it difficult for you to share this vast knlwledge with these ignorant democrats? Is it so hard to help instead of whine? Why not drop the crying and poor loser attitude, wipe the poop off your face and say, "here's how we do it"? Or are you saving your secret knowledge until the next elections where you will defeat the democrats single handedly. Really, no offense, your beliefs are your beliefs, but open up your brain a tiny bit to other possibilities. I see the point that you are so hard trying to make, but it's not coming across like anything other than being a sore loser. This is not about you or me or obama or romney. What is good for Amerika?
I have laid those thngs out before but just for you here is a small sample of the answers.
Lets see now first, Healthcare. Open up competition by removing restrictions on sales accross state lines. Give the States the power to implement healthcare plans that are fitted to their individual needs rather than create another inefficient federal mess.
Social Security. First do not allow any Gov agency to steal the funds that are in there. Then allow younger workers a choice. They can opt out and provide for their own retirement if they like. For anyone that wants to stay in it then protecet their investments.
Defense. Keep our military strong. Give them the assets they need to do their job. Give them the benefits they were promised when they joined. A weapon system is only as effective as the people operating it and if you lie to those people you loose effectiveness.
Foreign policy. That is a matter that must be looked at one country at a time. Every country and region requires specific plans tailored to that area. I can say one thing and that i that I would not insult our allies publically like obama has done. I would not aid our enemies as obama has done. I would stay out of Civil Wars and not participate in the overthrow of other Governemnets.
National Security. Firsty seal the border to the south. Place military along it to slow the invasion that is coming from that direction.
Entitle ments. If you receive Government money then you perform Government work to get it. It is really very simple if you look at it. It is done in other countries as well and very effectively.
Economy, lift the restrictions that are hamstringing our businessess. Let the free market work. Encourage investment in US companies. One way would be to place import restrictions on goods manufactured outside the US.
Set a realistic tax code. That is make a flat tax of 15% on everthing and everyone. That means capitol gains, income of all sorts. One rate for everyone that way if you make more you pay more period.
_49er_Arrrrrrr_

El Paso, TX

#109 Nov 19, 2012
UR BS wrote:
<quoted text>
You must be the poster child for gullible. GM is making a profit, and paying back the loans?
Lets look at it for a second.
The so called pay back was in actuallity a Government grant that was not part of the original loan that GM used to pay back the loan. So they took our money, then used more of our money to pay us back. Wish I could do that!
Now as to the profit thing. GM is getting a rare benefit that no other company in the US gets. They are building a car, the volt, and selling it at a loss yet claiming a profit because the Government is subsidizing it. The orders for the volt are from the government. They are in fact paying more than what is required and still giving GM a subsidy for everyone they build. Pretty good deal if you can get it.
FYI GM never took any of my money all my money is still in the Bank! Obama help save General Mortors from going Bankrupt.
President Obama helped GM with the bail out and he help American keep their jobs.
Now GM is creating a profit paying back the loan and Americans are working.
Meanwhile Mitt Romney was spreading Rumors that GM was going to start building Jeeps in China.
Thank God For Four More Years, with Romney as president this nation would have hit Rock Bottoom and the only way out would have been to start a war in the middle east.
What

El Paso, TX

#110 Nov 19, 2012
_49er_Arrrrrrr_ wrote:
<quoted text>
FYI GM never took any of my money all my money is still in the Bank! Obama help save General Mortors from going Bankrupt.
President Obama helped GM with the bail out and he help American keep their jobs.
Now GM is creating a profit paying back the loan and Americans are working.
Meanwhile Mitt Romney was spreading Rumors that GM was going to start building Jeeps in China.
Thank God For Four More Years, with Romney as president this nation would have hit Rock Bottoom and the only way out would have been to start a war in the middle east.
Go to hell with your pendejada lawjockeyBITCH!
_49er_Arrrrrrr_

El Paso, TX

#111 Nov 19, 2012
What wrote:
<quoted text>Go to hell with your pendejada lawjockeyBITCH!
Chinga A Tu Madre you Big Puto little sissy girlyboy!
What

El Paso, TX

#113 Nov 19, 2012
Comment 110 posted by guy too stupid to develop his own moniker
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#114 Nov 19, 2012
URBS wrote,
Lets see now first, Healthcare. Open up competition by removing restrictions on sales accross state lines. Give the States the power to implement healthcare plans that are fitted to their individual needs rather than create another inefficient federal mess.
-Sounds good. Doesn't obamacare let the states run their own or if the state doesn't want to, the feds run it? Competition is good. How does this address indigents? Poor? We still pay the bill whether we include them or not. How do you fix that? How do you address the issue of sky-rocketting medical care prices? Medicine costs are 10Xs here what they are in all other countries.
Social Security. First do not allow any Gov agency to steal the funds that are in there. Then allow younger workers a choice. They can opt out and provide for their own retirement if they like. For anyone that wants to stay in it then protecet their investments.
-Just to be clear, there are no funds there. There never have been. The crew currently working pays for those on retirement. So, you allow the young ones a choice. What if they choose to not pay and later on in life become dependent on the govt having not paid a penny? How do you handle miscalculated risks? As a 20 year old, I may be more interested in partying and cars, as a 60 year old I may be more interested in how I will pay for my 80s?
Defense. Keep our military strong. Give them the assets they need to do their job. Give them the benefits they were promised when they joined. A weapon system is only as effective as the people operating it and if you lie to those people you loose effectiveness.
-Keeping a strong military is important. They have the best assets that money can buy. What we run into is lack of belief and lack of heart at times. We pay our people to go fight. Mercinary-like and we are surprised that people on camels protecting the little that they have don't get beat easier. It's like protecting your home. You will lay your life on the line for it. You may not if you are fighting for oil disguised as freedom.
Foreign policy. That is a matter that must be looked at one country at a time. Every country and region requires specific plans tailored to that area. I can say one thing and that i that I would not insult our allies publically like obama has done. I would not aid our enemies as obama has done. I would stay out of Civil Wars and not participate in the overthrow of other Governemnets.
-How would you deal with these. If the guy goes and apologizes, we get mad, if he tells them to pound sand, we get mad. How did you figure romney was going to demonstrate might? Yes, all regions are different and none want to be like us. Yet we insist. Not for the people, but for their resources.
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#115 Nov 19, 2012
UR BS,

Still exchanging thoughts.

National Security. Firsty seal the border to the south. Place military along it to slow the invasion that is coming from that direction.
-Why the border to the south and not isolate china? Explain? We control all the oil, natural resources and labor in mexico. That is part of the job creation strategy that everyone has had. Why are they a NS risk? For the drug problem, I agree. For the illegals? About 50 percent of the US is in the 20K range, that is about 175Million, of which illegals consist of about 20Million. What are you going to do with the rest of the poor? None of these can afford healthcare, so competing healthcare is useless. They all get entitlements.

Entitle ments. If you receive Government money then you perform Government work to get it. It is really very simple if you look at it. It is done in other countries as well and very effectively.
-No question about it, so why isn't it working? We are not in the business of helping people progress, we are in the business of enslaving people to a lifestyle. Mexicans, trailer trash whites, blacks, etc.

Economy, lift the restrictions that are hamstringing our businessess. Let the free market work. Encourage investment in US companies. One way would be to place import restrictions on goods manufactured outside the US.
-This sounds good on the surface. Good points. No one wants to invest in countries doing business in the US. The market is larger on a wrold scale. Labor is cheaper. Costs are lower. As for placing import restrictions on goods made outside the USA, read up on the biggest contributor to the great depression. This flawed belief of imposing restrictions and tarriffs results in everyone doing it and locking up the money sending the economies plummetting. There were 2 people who felt strongly about this and made it happened, it killed the world economy. S and H.

Set a realistic tax code. That is make a flat tax of 15% on everthing and everyone. That means capitol gains, income of all sorts. One rate for everyone that way if you make more you pay more period.

- a flat tax of 10 percent with no other taxes is sufficient to cover costs if your govt stops spending like they found the 7 cities of cibola. I'm for a flat 10 percent.

You see, that's a very different approach. Now that you've stepped back a bit, take those thoughts and negotiate with the other side until both sides have something that they can live with. You won't get 100 percent satisfaction, but you will have a say. Clam down and lock the door and no one gets a thing. Good job!

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#116 Nov 19, 2012
idgaf;
"Doesn't obamacare let the states run their own or if the state doesn't want to, the feds run it? Competition is good. How does this address indigents? Poor? We still pay the bill whether we include them or not. How do you fix that? How do you address the issue of sky-rocketting medical care prices? Medicine costs are 10Xs here what they are in all other countries."

Individual States can not remove restrictions on interstate commerce that have been placed on the insurance industry by the Feds. Those restrictions must be lifted. Skyrocketing costs could also be effected by serious tort reform. As to the indigent, they will always be there but if you looked at my entittlements response you would see that these people would be earning their benefits which could include some healthcare. They would in effect be Government Employees.

"Just to be clear, there are no funds there. There never have been"

Must disagree on this one. There were funds there until it was made part of the General Fubd and raided by the Feds. Ever hear of the supposed, "Lock Box"? The lock was removed and the funds taken. As to the other part of your response. It would be necessary to show an alternative to the SSA Tax in order to opt out. It would not be just I don't want to pay so I don't. You must show that you have some other method in place that you are contributing to.

"Keeping a strong military is important. They have the best assets that money can buy. What we run into is lack of belief and lack of heart at times. We pay our people to go fight. Mercinary-like and we are surprised that people on camels protecting the little that they have don't get beat easier. It's like protecting your home. You will lay your life on the line for it. You may not if you are fighting for oil disguised as freedom."

The oil line is lame I am sorry but it is.If we were fighting for oil as is claimed then why in hell are we not getting it? The problem comes in the hands of our military being tied by their leaders, that would be the POTUS and Congress. Having lived and worked in the middle east for nearly 13 years I have a little insight into the reason they are like they are. It is the same problem we had in Viet Nam. We underestimate the enemy because we do not understand their mentality. For the Arabs it is a religious thing, they think they are fighting for Allah. Americans do not understand that type of commitment.

"How would you deal with these. If the guy goes and apologizes, we get mad, if he tells them to pound sand, we get mad. How did you figure romney was going to demonstrate might? Yes, all regions are different and none want to be like us. Yet we insist. Not for the people, but for their resources."

I would not say that none want to be like us. If that were true we would not have the massive amount of illegals coming here. As to the world appology tour iot shows weakness. He hasn't told them to pound sand as you claim. He has aided in the overthrow of other Governments and assisted our sworn enemies in doing it. As to Romney I am not sure how he would have handled it. You never can be until you see it. I do know that obama has done a terrible job at it. In the Middle east we are now viewed as a paper lion.

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#117 Nov 19, 2012
Sorry about the doule post, Time Warner trikes again.

Now to contine.

"Why the border to the south and not isolate china? Explain? We control all the oil, natural resources and labor in mexico. That is part of the job creation strategy that everyone has had. Why are they a NS risk? For the drug problem, I agree. For the illegals? About 50 percent of the US is in the 20K range, that is about 175Million, of which illegals consist of about 20Million. What are you going to do with the rest of the poor? None of these can afford healthcare, so competing healthcare is useless. They all get entitlements"

The border is a joke. Everey day hundreds if not thousands just come here illegaly. The drugs are a part of it but it also is an open door to terrorists to walk in. There have been apprehentions of people from all over the world on our southern border including some very unfriendly areas. As to the health care stuff that has already been addressed.

"No question about it, so why isn't it working? We are not in the business of helping people progress, we are in the business of enslaving people to a lifestyle. Mexicans, trailer trash whites, blacks, etc."

That is exactly why I stated what I did. It is not what we are doing now. We give the people on welfare and other types of assistance no incentive to get off it. Making them work for what they receive would give them a couple things. It would give them some self pride in that they are earning their living and it would give them an incentive to get off the assistance and earn a better living.

"This sounds good on the surface. Good points. No one wants to invest in countries doing business in the US. The market is larger on a wrold scale. Labor is cheaper. Costs are lower. As for placing import restrictions on goods made outside the USA, read up on the biggest contributor to the great depression. This flawed belief of imposing restrictions and tarriffs results in everyone doing it and locking up the money sending the economies plummetting. There were 2 people who felt strongly about this and made it happened, it killed the world economy. S and H."

We are not talking isolationism simply fair trade. As an example under the current system we send a ship full of baseball bats to Japan. They inspect every bat and reject about 1/3 of them. This is a regular thing. They send a boatload electronic devices here we only inspect about 10%. That is an unfair exchange. We can place import duties without killing trade.

"a flat tax of 10 percent with no other taxes is sufficient to cover costs if your govt stops spending like they found the 7 cities of cibola. I'm for a flat 10 percent"

If 10% would do it then that is good. I think it would take a bit more but hey I would be happy with the 10%. My point is that the current tax code is broken and will never get us out of this mess. The current regime's class warfare is counterproductive. If they set a flat tax, for all areas including capitol gains and cooporate taxes then we could heal our economy without having to demonize someone simply because they are successful.

Sadly I do not see any of these things comming to pass. I do not see obama and the Democrats doing any of them as they are more interested in spending and feel good politics. I don't see the Republicans doing it either as they are more interested in their cooporate friends to the detriment of others.
I only see change if the people force it on the legislators.
UR BS

El Paso, TX

#118 Nov 20, 2012
How do you get an Arab out of the bath?
Turn on the water.
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#120 Nov 20, 2012
URBS,
Stated: Individual States can not remove restrictions on interstate commerce that have been pl .......
-sounds simple, how come we don't have 175 million federal employees? Roughly 50 percent of the population. Liabilities? So, how do you get those interstate barriers out of the way? Health insurance is still not affordable enough for 50 percent of the population. What do you do about it? How do you pay for all of these govt employees? Isn't this going in the wrong direction from your beliefs?
URBS stated: Must disagree on this one.......
-we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I have lookeddeeply and found no evidence that a pile of cash was syashed away. The truth is that there have always been more collecting than those contributing. You cannot have a surplus like that.
URBS stated: As to the other part of your re.......
-this makes sense good sense, so what is the other option? You want to ensure that we are not left with our pants down. How do you address people who don't pay into this system, like prostitutes, dancers, drug dealers, etc? They will eventually be sucking on the govt tit as well.
URBS stated: The oil line is lame I am sorry........
-the oil is going to our strategic partners, places where we have huge interests, ever heard of china? Who owns most of the manufacturing there? American companies. We fight for oil whether you want to believe or not. Our navy escorts oil tankers religiously. We guard oil sites and other precious resources. Truth is not always pretty.
URBS stated: The problem comes in the hands of.....
-to some extent yes, but we go fight for natural resources, not cause we are nice
URBS stated: Having lived and worked in the middle east for nearly 13 years .......
-you do not fight the same when you are getting paid and there is a fake reason for why you are fighting. What you are describing is a people who believe in their cause and what they are defending regardless of right or wrong.
URBS stated: I would not say that none want.......
-not everyone wants to be like us, they just want freedom without the American way, true
URBS stated: As to the world appology ........
-therr are no sworn enemies, all people are friends and enemies at the same time, Israel is a prime example, they are our friends, yet they spy on us?
Urbs stated: In the Middle east we are now viewed as a paper lion.
-we can disagree here, we control too much to be seen this way, you are seeing through strange glasses here, but it is your right to

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#121 Nov 20, 2012
idgaf

"sounds simple, how come we don't have 175 million federal employees? Roughly 50 percent of the population. Liabilities? So, how do you get those interstate barriers out of the way? Health insurance is still not affordable enough for 50 percent of the population. What do you do about it? How do you pay for all of these govt employees? Isn't this going in the wrong direction from your beliefs?"

Thse people are already being paid by the Government. Remember my premise that thoseon the public dole be given jobs to perform in the public sector. So no need to find extra moey as it is already being paid. As to the interstate commerce tat is a Fed reg so the Feds need to remove it so competition can happen.
This is in the correct irection accoring to my beliefs. People earning thier oney o getting a hand out.

"this makes sense good sense, so what is the other option? You want to ensure that we are not left with our pants down. How do you address people who don't pay into this system, like prostitutes, dancers, drug dealers, etc? They will eventually be sucking on the govt tit as well"

Now I must take excetion with this one. The people you describe are criminals, with the exception of the dancers. They would be gettng paid whatever club they worked so they woud be paying in as required. The others can liv on the public dole in jail. As long as ther activity is illegal. I would like to see the decriminalizing of prostittion and that way it could generate revenue and be safer for all involved.

"the oil is going to our strategic partners, places where we have huge interests, ever heard of china? Who owns most of the manufacturing there? American companies. We fight for oil whether you want to believe or not. Our navy escorts oil tankers religiously. We guard oil sites and other precious resources. Truth is not always pretty"

Sorry but it still doesn't fly. We did not go to war for China, although if we keep selling off our debt to them we may have no choice. The Navy protects much more than oil. They protect all manner of commerce. What oil sites are we guarding? You are right that the truth is not always pretty but it is in many instances not as ugly as some would have you believe.

"but we go fight for natural resources, not cause we are nice"

I would not agree with this a we have yet, in recent history, to get any of those resoures you talk about. I would say it is political.

"you do not fight the same when you are getting paid and there is a fake reason for why you are fighting. What you are describing is a people who believe in their cause and what they are defending regardless of right or wrong."

You were doing good up to the, "Fake Reason" bit. The problem is that these people are commited and even if our military is commited they are not allowed to wage war. War is ugly, it requires terrible actions. The people in te Middle east understand this we do not. You can not fight a politically correct war.

"therr are no sworn enemies, all people are friends and enemies at the same time, Israel is a prime example, they are our friends, yet they spy on us?"

Must disagree. The Muslim Brotherhood, AlQueda, and some other grous are indeed our sworn enemies. As to Isreal they do nothing that any other country doesn't do.
"we can disagree here, we control too much to be seen this way, you are seeing through strange glasses here, but it is your right to"
Sorry but having lived thre knw how e are viewed. It doesn't matter wat we control,we are seen as not backing up our threats. That is why Iran laughs at us.
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#122 Nov 20, 2012
URBS,

We continue ...

URBS: The border is a ....
- so, north korea has proven that you can close your borders if you are serious about enforcement. So we close the southern border. We don't allow imports at all on the southern border. Kill a pile of American jobs doing it. Isolate the US trade relationships with Mexico. Put a lot of American companies that operate in Mexico out of business. We are thinking big scale.

URBS:...... We give the people on welfare and other types of assistance no incentive to get off it .....
-im with you here. Public help should be temporary and should be phased. For example, you become unemployed, you get 100 percent unemployment for the first 3 months, 75 for the next month, 50 for the next and 25 for the final. At the same time, there has to be a way in there to retrain people and get them back to work. Public Housing shoudl be limited as well. 1st 6 months free, 2nd 6 months 200/month, 3rd 6months 400/month last 6 months 500/month and you are done. Don't qualify again for 5 yrs. Welfare, should be for 1-2 yrs max. Again, phased. This goes for anyone, not just illegals.

URBS:We are not talking isolationism....
- Smoot and Hawley were not talking about isolationism either. They wanted fair and equal trade. If we put up barriers, others will do the same. We start getting in the way of the "free market" as you referred to it earlier. Really, read up on what S and H did to contribute to the Great Depression. It is quite shocking what 2 people were able to do.

URBS We can agree on the flat tax. The IRS is money poorly spent. I just want them to take their cut, whatever it may be and leave me alone the rest of the time. No BS, no audits, no Form Blah Blah, no accountant, no tax breaks, just flat.

URBS, we can agree that these two parties and their party interests are getting in the way of America. So, why not start working now on a competing set of ideas. Start making little changes so that the masses can see that ordinary people can make changes without big corporate financing of campaigns? As long as these two parties rule, nothing will ever change. I agree.

URBS: I only see change if the people force it on the legislators.
-i don't see this happening, we don't hold these politicians accountable for anything they do. We need weekly report cards on what they promised and what they are delivering on or failing to deliver on published in the newspaper and on TV. At this point in time, they are untouchable.

Power and influence corrupt. We need to limit all public office to 1 term. No matter if it is for being a district judge. Mayor, senator, governors, presidents.

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#123 Nov 20, 2012
idgaf
"so, north korea has proven that you can close your borders if you are serious about enforcement. So we close the southern border. We don't allow imports at all on the southern border. Kill a pile of American jobs doing it. Isolate the US trade relationships with Mexico. Put a lot of American companies that operate in Mexico out of business. We are thinking big scale."

I never suggested anything of this sort. I said we secure or southern border. You are talking isolationism again and that is not what I was talking about. I was talking about the mass invasion, the drugs, the very real possibility of terrorists crossing there. This will in no way harm trade or US companies operating there.

"Smoot and Hawley were not talking about isolationism either. They wanted fair and equal trade. If we put up barriers, others will do the same. We start getting in the way of the "free market" as you referred to it earlier. Really, read up on what S and H did to contribute to the Great Depression. It is quite shocking what 2 people were able to do."

Again I am not talking isolationism am talking Free Trade. Like in the example I gave earlier we currently are on the short end of the stick when it comes to trade.

"URBS, we can agree that these two parties and their party interests are getting in the way of America. So, why not start working now on a competing set of ideas. Start making little changes so that the masses can see that ordinary people can make changes without big corporate financing of campaigns? As long as these two parties rule, nothing will ever change. I agree.
URBS: I only see change if the people force it on the legislators.
-i don't see this happening, we don't hold these politicians accountable for anything they do. We need weekly report cards on what they promised and what they are delivering on or failing to deliver on published in the newspaper and on TV. At this point in time, they are untouchable"

Isee both of these as going together. We must strt on the local level and build until we get to the Federal Level. We can hold the local reps accountable. After we get them unde control we move on to the Statethen the Feds. It won't come overnight but it can be done.
I would say a 2 term limit would be good bu tht can be debated. I would also say that a recall process at all levels would help keep these politicians under control.
idgaf

United States

#124 Nov 20, 2012
UR BS wrote:
idgaf
"so, north korea has proven that you can close your borders if you are serious about enforcement. So we close the southern border. We don't allow imports at all on the southern border. Kill a pile of American jobs doing it. Isolate the US trade relationships with Mexico. Put a lot of American companies that operate in Mexico out of business. We are thinking big scale."
I never suggested anything of this sort. I said we secure or southern border. You are talking isolationism again and that is not what I was talking about. I was talking about the mass invasion, the drugs, the very real possibility of terrorists crossing there. This will in no way harm trade or US companies operating there.
"Smoot and Hawley were not talking about isolationism either. They wanted fair and equal trade. If we put up barriers, others will do the same. We start getting in the way of the "free market" as you referred to it earlier. Really, read up on what S and H did to contribute to the Great Depression. It is quite shocking what 2 people were able to do."
Again I am not talking isolationism am talking Free Trade. Like in the example I gave earlier we currently are on the short end of the stick when it comes to trade.
"URBS, we can agree that these two parties and their party interests are getting in the way of America. So, why not start working now on a competing set of ideas. Start making little changes so that the masses can see that ordinary people can make changes without big corporate financing of campaigns? As long as these two parties rule, nothing will ever change. I agree.
URBS: I only see change if the people force it on the legislators.
-i don't see this happening, we don't hold these politicians accountable for anything they do. We need weekly report cards on what they promised and what they are delivering on or failing to deliver on published in the newspaper and on TV. At this point in time, they are untouchable"
Isee both of these as going together. We must strt on the local level and build until we get to the Federal Level. We can hold the local reps
accountable. After we get them unde control we
move on to the Statethen the Feds. It won't
come overnight but it can be done
I would say a 2 term limit would be good bu tht
can be debated. I would also say that a recall
process at all levels would help keep these
politicians under control.
We continue-
why don't you stick your ideas up your culo.
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#125 Nov 20, 2012
URBS,

Much better conversations.

URBS: I said we secure or southern border ..... This will in no way harm trade or US companies operating there.
-how much does mexico import from the USA? You better believe that part of the reason that we don't secure for reals is that we want the cheap labor, we want the drugs and we want to sell things in the other direction. It's hard not to harm the trade relations if we do what you are saying. Maybe there's a middle ground. My point was that if anyone is serious, it can be done.

URBS: Again I am not talking isolationism am talking Free Trade.
-thinking free trade is what we have, maybe you mean fair trade, not a simple subject to address, I suppose some trial and error could work. I do agree that the other countries only accept so much import and we take it all.

URBS: Isee both of these as going together. We must strt on the local level and build until we get to the Federal Level. We can hold the local reps accountable. After we get them unde control we move on to the Statethen the Feds. It won't come overnight but it can be done.
-need to start somewhere. Agreed. Need to cut the corruption out. Too many perks and incentives.

URBS: I would say a 2 term limit would be good bu tht can be debated. I would also say that a recall process at all levels would help keep these politicians under control.

-term #1 is spent making friends and doing favors, term #2 is spent filling their pockets and those of their friends, 1 term limits power and corruption

Good thoughts, let's go make some happen, we got 4 yrs to push

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