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Letters: We must not accept socialized medicine

There are 67 comments on the El Paso Times story from Jul 1, 2009, titled Letters: We must not accept socialized medicine. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

I am amazed at Sen. Edward Kennedy, who is kept alive by money and the best care possible.

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Obama bin Biden

El Paso, TX

#1 Jul 2, 2009
Ron Lowe,

You obviously don't know Rush Limbaugh.....maybe you should listen to him for a week and find out the truth.

Hatemonger? Who does he hate? And when did he say anything that he hated someone? I have been listening to Rush for years and the guy is always optimistic, and truthful. When he makes a mistake, he admits it, but he doesn't make mistakes very often....matter of fact he is 98% correct all of the time.

You don't know Rush, that's for sure.
Ranae

United States

#2 Jul 2, 2009
Sure we do...he's been in the news...he's a liar and a republican pundit...he spreads hate speeches and takes pain killers illegally. He's a drug addict whose time is running out for his fame. He's a man who ran out on his marriage, like any good republican, and he's not got one bit of credibility with those who are educated.

We know him. Maybe it's YOU who does not know him.
Obama bin Biden

El Paso, TX

#3 Jul 2, 2009
Ranae wrote:
Sure we do...he's been in the news...he's a liar and a republican pundit...he spreads hate speeches and takes pain killers illegally. He's a drug addict whose time is running out for his fame. He's a man who ran out on his marriage, like any good republican, and he's not got one bit of credibility with those who are educated.
We know him. Maybe it's YOU who does not know him.
Name one lie that he has told? Just one.
I'll bet you can't.

He was addicted to prescription drugs for pain....but he whipped it. I think he should be commended for that.

No he's not a Republican, you see you don't know him.
He's a conservative.

Oh, I see when you divorce your wife, then your considered running out on her, but if your John Edwards, Democrat....it's ok for you to cheat on your wife when she has cancer and then father a child from a woman helping run his campaign? Talk about sleezy....but that's typical Democrat style.

Not educated? Man you are lost...the guy is the
NUMBER 1 MOST LISTENED TO TALK SHOW HOST IN THE WORLD!!

I'm sure all those people that listen to him, do so because he's not smart?

Just think about it for a while......ok?

No, you definetley don't know Rush.
Obama Republican

El Paso, TX

#4 Jul 2, 2009
Ranae wrote:
Sure we do...he's been in the news...he's a liar and a republican pundit...he spreads hate speeches and takes pain killers illegally. He's a drug addict whose time is running out for his fame. He's a man who ran out on his marriage, like any good republican, and he's not got one bit of credibility with those who are educated.
We know him. Maybe it's YOU who does not know him.
Nice response. The Republican party rules by the credo of "If your not with us, You are against us."

I am a disenfranchised member because this so called spokesperson lacks the morals himself. It is like he is always under the influence? pills, or living in the past It is time to move on and work with differing views and quit this arrogance.
Obama Republican

El Paso, TX

#5 Jul 2, 2009
Obama bin Biden wrote:
<quoted text>
Name one lie that he has told? Just one.
I'll bet you can't.
He was addicted to prescription drugs for pain....but he whipped it. I think he should be commended for that.
No he's not a Republican, you see you don't know him.
He's a conservative.
Oh, I see when you divorce your wife, then your considered running out on her, but if your John Edwards, Democrat....it's ok for you to cheat on your wife when she has cancer and then father a child from a woman helping run his campaign? Talk about sleezy....but that's typical Democrat style.
Not educated? Man you are lost...the guy is the
NUMBER 1 MOST LISTENED TO TALK SHOW HOST IN THE WORLD!!
I'm sure all those people that listen to him, do so because he's not smart?
Just think about it for a while......ok?
No, you definetley don't know Rush.
I am not addicted to pain killers.

Drug abusers should be not given a slap on the wrist and be fully prosecuted.

These are two lies right off.

Let us get to the term conservative that is what Republicans claim since the Reagan years. Before that it had been that there were conservative, moderate, and liberal camps in both parties. Since then it has been the Republicans who have put the term liberal on the Demos.

This started to change when McCain was the chosen candidate this last election. A man with good credentials but was rejected by the party core. He only got their support when the party members overwhelmingly supported him.

Obama Republican

El Paso, TX

#6 Jul 2, 2009
Obama bin Biden wrote:
<quoted text>
Name one lie that he has told? Just one.
I'll bet you can't.
He was addicted to prescription drugs for pain....but he whipped it. I think he should be commended for that.
No he's not a Republican, you see you don't know him.
He's a conservative.
Oh, I see when you divorce your wife, then your considered running out on her, but if your John Edwards, Democrat....it's ok for you to cheat on your wife when she has cancer and then father a child from a woman helping run his campaign? Talk about sleezy....but that's typical Democrat style.
Not educated? Man you are lost...the guy is the
NUMBER 1 MOST LISTENED TO TALK SHOW HOST IN THE WORLD!!
I'm sure all those people that listen to him, do so because he's not smart?
Just think about it for a while......ok?
No, you definetley don't know Rush.
We don't need to go with morality issues of loyalty to one's spouse. Both sides can claim a long list. Private is private family business and both sides are guilty.

We can look at our own with a Reagan divorce and McCain shortfalls. We don't want to point fingers because it is mudslinging when each party is guilty.

He is also the most despised and number 1 at that too. The ratings mainly come from the party core of the southern anglo evangelical.

This person divides the party with the support not going to rising leaders in the party and playing to the radio. The true leaders are in Congress and are being overshadowed by this so called spokesperson.

The question is a radio spokesperson setting policy or is it the elected leaders in Congress.
Ese

United States

#7 Jul 2, 2009
I LOVE PETA! People for the Eating of Tasty Animals. I can't wait for that nice big juicy sizziling piece of steak that I will be grilling on Saturday. Mmmmm! I love dead cows.
Ese

United States

#8 Jul 2, 2009
Obama Republican wrote:
<quoted text>
We don't need to go with morality issues of loyalty to one's spouse. Both sides can claim a long list. Private is private family business and both sides are guilty.
We can look at our own with a Reagan divorce and McCain shortfalls. We don't want to point fingers because it is mudslinging when each party is guilty.
He is also the most despised and number 1 at that too. The ratings mainly come from the party core of the southern anglo evangelical.
This person divides the party with the support not going to rising leaders in the party and playing to the radio. The true leaders are in Congress and are being overshadowed by this so called spokesperson.
The question is a radio spokesperson setting policy or is it the elected leaders in Congress.
And Obama isn't a liar? Since you love polls, today, more people think that Blowbama is doing a bad job vs. those who do. Why? Because people are beginning to see that he lied about taxing the middle class and he lied about supporting our allies. Also, this is the same fool that, as a US Senator from Illinois, voted AGAINST our military whenever funding bills would come to the floor. He hates the military, just like all liberals. You sir, are a mind controlled buffoon. BTW, name one national policy that Limbaugh has set. Liar? YOU are a liar. Come out of the closet and tell us who you really are. I bet you are nothing more than a panty-waist registered liberal.
Ese

United States

#9 Jul 2, 2009
Correction: "vs. those who dont."
Rey

AOL

#10 Jul 2, 2009
Doesnt work in Europe or Canada, why would it work here ?
EP Resident

Irving, TX

#11 Jul 2, 2009
Obama bin Biden wrote:
Ron Lowe,
You obviously don't know Rush Limbaugh.....maybe you should listen to him for a week and find out the truth.
Hatemonger? Who does he hate? And when did he say anything that he hated someone? I have been listening to Rush for years and the guy is always optimistic, and truthful. When he makes a mistake, he admits it, but he doesn't make mistakes very often....matter of fact he is 98% correct all of the time.
You don't know Rush, that's for sure.
Are you still drinking the GOP Kool-Aid? Rush Limbaugh is an egomaniac with the morals of a stray tomcat and the Grand Old Party endorses his vitriol as a memo from God........This multi married, child support deadbeat, drug addict is nothing I am proud of.........I have listened to him and he continues to spout hatred, intolerance,and bigotry.....in his whiney nasal voice!
Why do all the extreme rightwing talking heads have the most nasal whiney voices on record? Laura Ingraham, Mark Levine, Michael Savige all sound like they have soda straws up their noses.
And then you have those wonderful folks from the GOP who are spouting the "do as I say, not as I do" party line who are such great upholders of the morals of our nation........Newtie, Mark, Dickie, Georgie Boy..........drug addicts, multiple divorces, deadbeat dads, and adulterers or worse acting queerly in the mens room...the holier than thou attitude is nauseating

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#12 Jul 2, 2009
Ese wrote:
<quoted text>
And Obama isn't a liar? Since you love polls, today, more people think that Blowbama is doing a bad job vs. those who do. Why? Because people are beginning to see that he lied about taxing the middle class and he lied about supporting our allies. Also, this is the same fool that, as a US Senator from Illinois, voted AGAINST our military whenever funding bills would come to the floor. He hates the military, just like all liberals. You sir, are a mind controlled buffoon. BTW, name one national policy that Limbaugh has set. Liar? YOU are a liar. Come out of the closet and tell us who you really are. I bet you are nothing more than a panty-waist registered liberal.
There is a large discrepancy between voting for continued financial aid for a military that is already extracting 10 million dollars per month, combined with an initial 87 million dollar package granted to Bush in 2002 to kick start a pre-emptive war, with exclusive non-compete contracts to "Haliburton", Cheneys former company, that would give any sensible individual pause to vote on any spending bill a republican owned senate and congress wishes to pass.

Do some simple math - 60 months, at a cost of 10 million dollars per month, comes to 600 million dollars - add the initial 87 million /= 687 million dollars. And counting!

Obama lied? What about Bush? Did he not state to the American people that this war would be paid for by oil revenues from Iraq? how in the world can you say "we're going to pay for a war we started, by taking that countries oil reserves"? And, did that ever happen? Of course not!

Back on track - by sponsoring a republican sponsored bill, a voucher program that cuts a check directly to the pre-existing insurance company, this is in fact CORPORATE WELFARE! No incentives to cut price, if no competing insurance differs drastically in price. This is a medical association sponsored bill, put forth to republican senators, financed by highly paid lobbyists, nothing more, nothing less.

And, to answer the question of quality health care, this country is still to date ranked 37th in the world! Why do other countries, that utilize socialized medicine, rank higher than this country in quality care, with doctors that are paid much more than in any other country?

You can continue to bash Obama all you like - the fact is, the GOP version is the same old thing, wrapped in a new cloth.

CORPORATE WELFARE IS NOT A CHOICE - THIS COUNTRY WOULD INEVITABLY PAY MORE WITHOUT A PUBLIC OPTION!
Rey

AOL

#13 Jul 2, 2009
Reads like an excellent description of both political parties.

“Give the Bear a hug!”

Since: Oct 08

Home is where you park it

#14 Jul 2, 2009
We don't have to accept anything they throw at us.

Civil Disobedience is a right. Read the Declaration of Independence.

Congress is controlled by an entrenched old peer system. They represent the Special Interests which have bought them off bit by bit over the years.

As a rule of thumb, vote out anyone with 20 or more years of "service" in 2010. This will get rid of the establishment committee chairs and allow fresh untainted ideas to be heard.
Rey

AOL

#15 Jul 2, 2009
If socialized medicine is so greatr why havent the the polticians in Washington enrolled in some form of it, to set the example. They dont even participate in the routine Federal employees plans, only THEIR special brand.

“Give the Bear a hug!”

Since: Oct 08

Home is where you park it

#16 Jul 2, 2009
Rey wrote:
If socialized medicine is so greatr why havent the the polticians in Washington enrolled in some form of it, to set the example. They dont even participate in the routine Federal employees plans, only THEIR special brand.
They represent their own self-interests. They've gotten so used to getting their way they think they are dukes and lords.

We need a reality check NOW. They are supposed to work for us, not the other way around. We have the power to shut them down.

2010 can't come soon enough.

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#17 Jul 2, 2009
Rey wrote:
If socialized medicine is so greatr why havent the the polticians in Washington enrolled in some form of it, to set the example. They dont even participate in the routine Federal employees plans, only THEIR special brand.
Because ANY version of socialized medicine was vehemently fought againt by the medical lobbyists since the late 1960's. The medical establishment was infuriated at Nixon, for the introduction of HMO's in this country. But, they found a way to control prices, by banning together and keeping their costs relatively the same - go to another carrier, the savings will be negligible AFTER the first year.

When 1,100 medical insurance providers band together to sponsor a corporate welfare system, this is proof positive that these entities are not looking out for the interests of the people - only themselves.

We should look into all republican PAC funds, and see how much money they have recieved from the medical establishments - that would be the key indicator as to whom is truly looking out for your best interests.

“Ignorance should be painful”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#18 Jul 2, 2009
Ese wrote:
<quoted text>
And Obama isn't a liar? Since you love polls, today, more people think that Blowbama is doing a bad job vs. those who do. Why? Because people are beginning to see that he lied about taxing the middle class and he lied about supporting our allies. Also, this is the same fool that, as a US Senator from Illinois, voted AGAINST our military whenever funding bills would come to the floor. He hates the military, just like all liberals. You sir, are a mind controlled buffoon. BTW, name one national policy that Limbaugh has set. Liar? YOU are a liar. Come out of the closet and tell us who you really are. I bet you are nothing more than a panty-waist registered liberal.
After filtering out your use of personal labels like Blowbama, fool, military hating liberals, mind controlled buffoon, and panty-waist registered liberal, none of which have any bearing on the facts and only point out personal biases, the only thing left to comment on is your report of his standing in polls, which doesn’t correspond with a June 17 N.Y. times/CBS poll, indicating that Obama is doing pretty well.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_obama_...

PRES. OBAMA APPROVAL RATING
Approve 63% Disapprove 26%

HANDLING OF THE ECONOMY
Approve 57% Disapprove 35%

HANDLING HEALTH CARE
Approve 44% Disapprove 34% Don’t know 22%

HANDLING FOREIGN POLICY, TERRORISM
Foreign Policy:
Approve 59% Disapprove 23%
Terrorism threat:
Approve 57% Disapprove 24%

HANDLING AUTO INDUSTRY
Approve 41% Disapprove 46%

IMPACT ON THE ECONOMY SO FAR IS…
Better 32% Worse 15% No impact yet 48%

THE ECONOMY IS GETTING…
Better 27% Worse 25% Staying same 46%

DOES OBAMA HAVE PLAN FOR DEALING WITH DEFICIT?
Yes 30% No 60%

This poll has a +/-3% sampling error rate and a 95% confidence interval.
If you have more recent data, please post them, with links or citations.



Karl Marks

South Africa

#19 Jul 2, 2009
The King and his Court favor Socialized medicine because then we will all receive the same care, and it will be fair, even if the care is worse. But the King and his court will still have access to the best health care, because they are special. The thing that joe public can not get his hand around is that insurance companies provide a service for a fee, and must make a profit. Like the hamburger stand on the corner you could say they don't care about people are they would feed them for free, but they need to make money or they shut down. Insurance is expensive because hospitals and doctors stick it to them to make up for the people who can't pay their bills, and the insurance companies then pass it on to their consumers.
Obama Republican

El Paso, TX

#20 Jul 2, 2009
Ese wrote:
<quoted text>
And Obama isn't a liar? Since you love polls, today, more people think that Blowbama is doing a bad job vs. those who do. Why? Because people are beginning to see that he lied about taxing the middle class and he lied about supporting our allies. Also, this is the same fool that, as a US Senator from Illinois, voted AGAINST our military whenever funding bills would come to the floor. He hates the military, just like all liberals. You sir, are a mind controlled buffoon. BTW, name one national policy that Limbaugh has set. Liar? YOU are a liar. Come out of the closet and tell us who you really are. I bet you are nothing more than a panty-waist registered liberal.
Hiding under a different name than the prior. Who is living the lie. The poll your talking about is the lie with non-existence. Maybe in the future but not yet.

Where is the facts of your allegations? So far, it is what he said, "There will be sacrifices and times will get harder before it gets better."

This is fear mongering on your part. Our adversaries across the world have always said America doesn't have the will power. This is what you are doing by being a naysayer and non supportive. You reinforce this by not being patriotic in the support of our current leaders.

If you research the military expenditures of recent history,#43 was being pressured by his own party to cut almost a division prior to 9/11. Both parties have always worked to do what is best for the military. Here is your liberal bias touting something that all have done.

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