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Bobby Dooley

El Paso, TX

#1 Nov 9, 2012
The former general has resigned today after committing a lewd act. Speculation is rampant as to what the precise act was but I will refrain from posting it until confirmed. Some people consider him a hero and others see him as a traitor. Regardless of your point of view, his public service is now over and he can presumably engage in whatever he wants to as a private citizen.
King Biscuit

El Paso, TX

#2 Nov 9, 2012
Bobby Dooley wrote:
The former general has resigned today after committing a lewd act. Speculation is rampant as to what the precise act was but I will refrain from posting it until confirmed. Some people consider him a hero and others see him as a traitor. Regardless of your point of view, his public service is now over and he can presumably engage in whatever he wants to as a private citizen.
Most people assume that war heroes are straight laced but they enjoy coitus as much as the next guy. Psychologists have reported an increasing number of returning veterans wanting to go "butt up" in the bedroom, likely because of the admittance of gays into the military. Career officers would never engage in a gay act while on duty but once out, their curiosity gets the better of them. Perhaps the lewd act you refer to involves another woman and some sort of strap on device, possibly with video and photographs.
Dean Wheeler

El Paso, TX

#3 Nov 9, 2012
So the decorated general couldn't keep it in his pants? It just goes to show the neanderthal thinking of those who serve in the military. They think that whatever they want is theirs for the taking. I'm glad he finally got his comeuppance.
Bob StrokinOFF

El Paso, TX

#4 Nov 9, 2012
Give me a break, so what and who cares? Remember all those Navy squid officers and other military officers caught with their pants down in Vegas (Tailjook Scandal)? Most of that Brass is now running the military today! Over 80 acts of rape or lewd acts were reported and now those fat cats are earning over 6 figures a year!
Mayan Prophecy

El Paso, TX

#5 Nov 9, 2012
This is just a diversion. In the next seveal months we are going to be seeing many high ranking political, government and military officials suddenly resign or leave their jobs because they will be going into hiding just in case the Mayan Porphecy turns out to be true.
AREU4REAL

El Paso, TX

#6 Nov 9, 2012
This has been going on for years in the military. There is a rule for the military about fraternization and one for adultery in or outside of the military in which the offender can be dismissed from the service in several ways. Officers under the rank of Colonel are reprimanded and they will never be promoted thereby ending any chance of advancement. Colonels are reprimanded and transferred out to undesirable commands.

The Enlisted are treated by Court Martial and if found guilty lose a pay grade and given a general discharge. Some even end up with a less than honorable discharge which ends all benefits for them.

General Eisenhower was one who got away with it although it was widely known. He was like Clinton in a manner the he was elected President because he was a "War Hero" despite the fact he and his female aide were lovers.
Ted Bell

El Paso, TX

#7 Nov 9, 2012
He diddled his biographer. She did an in depth character study on him for the book and he gave her the full monty.
Scapegoat Politics

United States

#8 Nov 9, 2012
I guess the CIA Director refused to be Obama's scapegoat for the Benghazi fiasco, so Obama pulled the lever.

In Chicago style politics, you don't get appointed if you are really clean. The Administration must have a lever to pull at Obama's discretion.

Now that the CIA Director has nothing left to lose, will we find out who was responsible for not responding to the embassy's pleas for help? I shudder and remember Vince Foster.

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#9 Nov 9, 2012
It is all diversion to get peoples minds off how screwed we are with odumbo in the Whitehouse.

Who the heck cares where he dipped his wicket? I mean heck if Billy Bubba can do it in the oval office and all the libtards were crying about how that is between him and his wife why should Petraus get pushed out?
Scapegoat Politics

United States

#10 Nov 9, 2012
Despots always use scapegoats. Remember Henry Marshall, Marilyn Monroe, Che Guevara, Irwin Rommel, Vince Foster, Ernst Rohm, etc., etc.

Come to think of it, Petraeus does still have a lot to lose if he doesn't keep his moth shut about Benghazi: his pension.....his life..........
Tea Bagger

El Paso, TX

#11 Nov 9, 2012
Scapegoat Politics wrote:
I guess the CIA Director refused to be Obama's scapegoat for the Benghazi fiasco, so Obama pulled the lever.
In Chicago style politics, you don't get appointed if you are really clean. The Administration must have a lever to pull at Obama's discretion.
Now that the CIA Director has nothing left to lose, will we find out who was responsible for not responding to the embassy's pleas for help? I shudder and remember Vince Foster.
Hey TEA BAGGER it's over! You POS's lost & lost big! Leave President Obama out of this - finish the investigation of what pea brain Bush did and didn't know before 911 - finish the investigation into "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq - over 5000 dead Americans, and tens of thousands seriously wounded and no weapons of Mass Destruction - where are they? When your done solving the BUSH fiascos we need you and your Tea Bagger companions to all get together and jump off a cliff - Please - Hurry - America & the world will be a much better place.
Scapegoat Politics

United States

#12 Nov 9, 2012
Tea Bagger wrote:
<quoted text>Hey TEA BAGGER it's over! You POS's lost & lost big! Leave President Obama out of this - finish the investigation of what pea brain Bush did and didn't know before 911 - finish the investigation into "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq - over 5000 dead Americans, and tens of thousands seriously wounded and no weapons of Mass Destruction - where are they? When your done solving the BUSH fiascos we need you and your Tea Bagger companions to all get together and jump off a cliff - Please - Hurry - America & the world will be a much better place.
Read the news and wise up you dumb POS. Even the corrupt media is wondering about the timing of the resignation. Petraeus was scheduled to testify about Benghazi before a special Congressional committee next week. Obama is trying to prevent him from testifying, but if he does anyway, and tells the truth, Obama hopes creeps like you will swallow the discrediting of everything he says due to the scandal.
Priscilla

El Paso, TX

#13 Nov 10, 2012
This story is very unseemly and is getting worse by the hour. It is tawdry and salacious and scandalous. I think that the President should resign if he can't control his underlings.
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#14 Nov 10, 2012
Why are we surprised here? All of these situations will have fall guys. These people are promised a good retirement and immunity if they agree to go. This is standard procedure. Someone's head had to roll and you better believe it aint the president. This is no different than any other company.
Larry Grover

El Paso, TX

#15 Nov 10, 2012
It just gets worse and worse the more you read about it. Details are being leaked right and left and it's evident he was doing a lot of drilling. He drilled her in Afghanistan, in Washington, under his desk and in the butt. She became incensed and starting stalking him, ala Fatal Attraction and hacked his e-mail.

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#16 Nov 10, 2012
Petreaus is just the first. Hillary is next and then there will be others. It is all meant to take the spotlight off obama and the fact that he is ultimately responsible for this mess.
Sitting Bull

El Paso, TX

#17 Nov 10, 2012
Now it turns out this woman is in the Army, an officer no less. I hadn't heard about all the place he balled her, including the butt, but I did see her photo and she's a real looker.
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#18 Nov 10, 2012
Remember that you don't hardly ever fire the boss. People will roll for this, no doubt. So when one of these generals rolls out like this, are they honorably or dishonorably discharged? Do they still get their retirement and all of the other goodies that come from a military retirement? How about the Sillyservants like the cia head or hillary for that matter. She won't go, he got lots of help from Slick Willy and he can't pay him back like that.

This is no different than any other govt frogup. Fire the ones personally in charge and move on. I didn't see any firings from the fast and furious gun smuggling case to the cartels. At this point, they have easily claimed 50,000 lives in mexico. Why didn't anyone get fired there? No generals? No dea?
Cameron

El Paso, TX

#19 Nov 10, 2012
idgaf wrote:
Remember that you don't hardly ever fire the boss. People will roll for this, no doubt. So when one of these generals rolls out like this, are they honorably or dishonorably discharged? Do they still get their retirement and all of the other goodies that come from a military retirement? How about the Sillyservants like the cia head or hillary for that matter. She won't go, he got lots of help from Slick Willy and he can't pay him back like that.
This is no different than any other govt frogup. Fire the ones personally in charge and move on. I didn't see any firings from the fast and furious gun smuggling case to the cartels. At this point, they have easily claimed 50,000 lives in mexico. Why didn't anyone get fired there? No generals? No dea?
He's not even a general! He retired before he worked at the CIA. However, this scandal points to him starting the affair while he was still an officer. He could be persecuted retroactively because the UCMJ has no ex post facto considerations. They still have sodomy in there too so if was really tapping her back door, they could use that angle. Most likely, he will just disappear into private life once he finally testifies about Libya and the dead ambassador.
AREU4REAL

El Paso, TX

#20 Nov 10, 2012
["You may be surprised to learn that adultery is not listed as an offense in the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). The UCMJ is a federal law, enacted by Congress, to govern legal discipline and court martials for members of the armed forces. Articles 77 through 134 of the UCMJ encompasses the "punitive offenses" (these are crimes one can be prosecuted for). None of those articles specifically mentions adultery.

Adultery in the military is actually prosecuted under Article 134, which is also known as the "General Article." Article 134 simply prohibits conduct which is of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, or conduct which is prejudicial to good order and discipline.

The UCMJ allows the President of the United States to administer the UCMJ by writing an Executive Order, known as the Manual for Court Martial (MCM). The MCM includes the UCMJ, and also supplements the UCMJ by establishing "Elements of Proof," (exactly what the government must *prove* to prosecute an offense), an explanation of offenses, and maximum permissible punishments for each offense (among other things). While the MCM is an Executive Order, enacted by the President, in reality much of the contents are a result of military and federal appeals court decisions.

One of the things that the MCM does is to expand article 134 into various "sub-articles." One of these "sub-articles" covers the offense of adultery (Article 134, paragraph 62).

Adultery, as a military offense, is difficult to prosecute (legally) for several reasons.

There are three "Elements of Proof" for the offense of Adultery in the Military:

(1) That the accused wrongfully had sexual intercourse with a certain person;

(2) That, at the time, the accused or the other person was married to someone else; and

(3) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.

Element #2 is usually pretty easy for the government to prove. There is normally sufficient written evidence to prove whether or not someone is legally married.(Many folks will be surprised to learn that in the military, a single person can be charged with the crime of adultery).

Element #1 can be very hard to prove. Remember, a court martial (like civilian court) requires *proof* beyond a reasonable doubt. Proof of sexual intercourse normally requires photographs, a confession of one of the parties involved, an eye-witness, or other legally admissible proof.(The mere fact that someone stayed over at another individuals house, or even slept with them in the same bed is not proof of sexual intercourse.

Element #3, in many cases, can be the most difficult item to prove. The government must show that the individual's conduct had some direct negative impact on the military. This normally would include cases of fraternization (officer & enlisted) or a relationship with another military member, or a military spouse.

In 1998, the Clinton Administration authored a change to the Manual for Courts-Martial, which provided that cases of adultery be handled at the lowest appropriate level, and provided specific guidance for commanders to use in order to determine whether or not the member's conduct was "prejudicial to good order and discipline," or "of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces." While the President does have the authority to issue changes to the MCM, this proposal resulted in screams and yells from Congress, and was subsequently dropped.

However, in a very quiet move, in 2002, President Bush adopted many of the changes that were proposed by President Clinton. In addition to the Elements of Proof," the "Explanation" section under this offense now requires commanders to consider several factors when determining whether or not the offense of "adultery" constitutes a crime."]

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