Our schools: No furloughs, pay cuts i...

Our schools: No furloughs, pay cuts in future, school districts' officials say

There are 59 comments on the El Paso Times story from Jun 17, 2011, titled Our schools: No furloughs, pay cuts in future, school districts' officials say. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

Even though the Texas Legislature may give school districts the authority to furlough teachers and cut their pay, officials of the three largest school districts in El Paso say they have no plans to do that.

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Billy Mummy

El Paso, TX

#22 Jun 18, 2011
The "Education Mafia" has finally met its match.
curious

El Paso, TX

#23 Jun 18, 2011
EP and the schools to the gov & his republican buddies...take your right-wing cuts and shove them.

Since: Jul 10

College Station, TX

#24 Jun 18, 2011
EPISD wrote:
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Well said and better than I was able to express myself. On the most part teachers would like to teach but with all the rules and regulations put on them, this is getting harder to do. IE: sub standard teachers with mindless alliegence to their King and their Union. Too many good teachers are falling by the wayside and its not because of pay but because of the difference in pay between those that work with our children and those that just supervise outside of a classroom. Its upside down the way our education system works and the way it should work. Those of you out there in LaLa Land spend some time with your kids and see what your getting for your taxes then take a visit to Region 19 and know where your hard earned tax money is being spendt. NO illegal should be attending our schools for free while those of us that do pay taxes foot the bill.
I agree. I have known too many who get into education want to teach a minimum of years, get a supervisory position, coaching position, or administration position. Too many have told me they don't want to be in the classroom or go back to the classroom. They view teachers who want to be in the classroom as somehow less then them, yet these are the people who make the direct difference. This is where our money should be. I can give you several examples of these people who create havoc in the system. One is a math facilitator, two now assistant principals (one of which is a problem at EPHS), etc. They taught an average of 3 years, wanted the power and money instead. Those who are "old school" and want to be in classroom are treated as somehow 'inferior'. Now I admire administrators who do make a difference and paid their dues and care what happens, not the ones who are in it for different reasons. The upside down system is to blame.
Cobra

El Paso, TX

#25 Jun 18, 2011
Seriously wrote:
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Did you even read the article? Seriously, get your facts straight before you make useless comments.
Seriously apparently your the one that can't read, YISD is in a good financial position.
Your a pendejo.
EPISD

El Paso, TX

#26 Jun 18, 2011
really001 wrote:
<quoted text> I agree. I have known too many who get into education want to teach a minimum of years, get a supervisory position, coaching position, or administration position. Too many have told me they don't want to be in the classroom or go back to the classroom. They view teachers who want to be in the classroom as somehow less then them, yet these are the people who make the direct difference. This is where our money should be. I can give you several examples of these people who create havoc in the system. One is a math facilitator, two now assistant principals (one of which is a problem at EPHS), etc. They taught an average of 3 years, wanted the power and money instead. Those who are "old school" and want to be in classroom are treated as somehow 'inferior'. Now I admire administrators who do make a difference and paid their dues and care what happens, not the ones who are in it for different reasons. The upside down system is to blame.


EPISD are full of the type of people you wrote about. Most if not all principles could fall into that pot. Its worse than that at the head office..personnel running programs and trainning sessions that have never been inside a classroom and have no clue as to what teachers actually deal with daily. Many schools are run by the students and not the staff. descipline (real meaninful descipline) does not exist in many of our schools. The awful "Don't touch me, I will sue" is taught by the students to the teachers and other classmates, and beleive me, its used all the time. There is no real backing from our district as it pertains to helping teachers remove those students that do not want to learn anything and be able to teach those that want to learn something. Specal Ed. has turned into a daily babysitting area, Special Ed. teachers work harder than some, but still spend way too much time and effort doing what parents should be doing at home. Those in Special Ed. clasrooms that have a chance to learn something worthwhile are hampered due to babysitting others. Dr. Garcia and his guidence as it pertains to Special Ed. was designed not for the student betterment but for the money he gets from State and Federal funding. Not all that funding ends up in Special Ed, but lining the pockets of others, so Special Ed. suffers. Regular ed is not much better, as long as we continue to beleive that what we do is for the sudents when in fact its what we do for the adults instead. This cancer needs to be cut out, starting with a new board and a new superintendent as well as re-training or firing a few school principles as well. Do not be a whistle blower, you will end up in the toilet and dammed forever. Play the game and you will end up in a cozy admin position with layers of layers of personnel protecting you.
EWs Wfie

El Paso, TX

#27 Jun 18, 2011
EPISD wrote:
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EPISD are full of the type of people you wrote about. Most if not all principles could fall into that pot. Its worse than that at the head office..personnel running programs and trainning sessions that have never been inside a classroom and have no clue as to what teachers actually deal with daily. Many schools are run by the students and not the staff. descipline (real meaninful descipline) does not exist in many of our schools. The awful "Don't touch me, I will sue" is taught by the students to the teachers and other classmates, and beleive me, its used all the time. There is no real backing from our district as it pertains to helping teachers remove those students that do not want to learn anything and be able to teach those that want to learn something. Specal Ed. has turned into a daily babysitting area, Special Ed. teachers work harder than some, but still spend way too much time and effort doing what parents should be doing at home. Those in Special Ed. clasrooms that have a chance to learn something worthwhile are hampered due to babysitting others. Dr. Garcia and his guidence as it pertains to Special Ed. was designed not for the student betterment but for the money he gets from State and Federal funding. Not all that funding ends up in Special Ed, but lining the pockets of others, so Special Ed. suffers. Regular ed is not much better, as long as we continue to beleive that what we do is for the sudents when in fact its what we do for the adults instead. This cancer needs to be cut out, starting with a new board and a new superintendent as well as re-training or firing a few school principles as well. Do not be a whistle blower, you will end up in the toilet and dammed forever. Play the game and you will end up in a cozy admin position with layers of layers of personnel protecting you.
Anybody want to have some fun tonight? My husband will be out.
EPISD

El Paso, TX

#28 Jun 18, 2011
EWs Wfie wrote:
<quoted text> Anybody want to have some fun tonight? My husband will be out.
Replay with some measure of intelligents or at least address the problems with some kind of response that is understandable. Debate what I write as either being factual or fiction.
Cool Arrow

El Paso, TX

#29 Jun 18, 2011
Want schools to save money. Stop the game the supt.'s play. They switch positions every two to four years. They do real well the first two to three years and the idiot school boards reward them with a 4-5 year contract. The supt. then does something intentionally to tick off the school board and they fire him/her. They then have to buy out his contract. He gets paid from one district and goes and finds another position. The supt.'s also get kickbacks from book publishers and laptop companies that sell these to the districts for distribution to teachers. Briefcases full of cash or "consultant" contracts are the supt.'s reward for the district's purchase of these items. Blaim the school board who hires these weasels.
EPISD

El Paso, TX

#30 Jun 18, 2011
Cool Arrow wrote:
Want schools to save money. Stop the game the supt.'s play. They switch positions every two to four years. They do real well the first two to three years and the idiot school boards reward them with a 4-5 year contract. The supt. then does something intentionally to tick off the school board and they fire him/her. They then have to buy out his contract. He gets paid from one district and goes and finds another position. The supt.'s also get kickbacks from book publishers and laptop companies that sell these to the districts for distribution to teachers. Briefcases full of cash or "consultant" contracts are the supt.'s reward for the district's purchase of these items. Blaim the school board who hires these weasels.
Sorry I am not aware of that kind of practice going on but I would not put it behind what Dr. Garcia is capable of doing. He for sure has no moral compass to follow and is far from the leader that was hired to do a job he is well paid to do. I do know that there is a lot of corrupt going on's within EIPSD that need investagating. From Lane at Jefferson, to Botello at Hillside and Ruiz at Magoffin, a lot does not seem right and a lot of what is going on smells fishy. These people are not studpid, just dishonest and untrustworthy, with Garcia at the head of the snake he has lined out behind him.
see the light

El Paso, TX

#31 Jun 18, 2011
the truth wrote:
One way to make sure this doesnt get worse is to keep all illegal kids from attending local schools thus saving money on free lunch programs to begin with.I know it sounds harsh but as a tax paying american citizen I feel we have to draw the line.
I strongly agree. We can longer afford to give free education, and lunches. These parents need to pay taxes or some kind of fee.
hank

El Paso, TX

#32 Jun 18, 2011
are you listening EISD ?
Zeus

El Paso, TX

#33 Jun 18, 2011
see the light wrote:
<quoted text>I strongly agree. We can longer afford to give free education, and lunches. These parents need to pay taxes or some kind of fee.
HAHAHAHAHA Good luck with that. The notion of free everything has become so ingrained in this joint (See Clint ISD) that students will revolt if they don't get what they want.

Clint has hired "School Chefs" after students refused to eat their free lunch, which would have resulted in a quick demise to the Free Breakfast and Lunch Handout Program.

What is amazing is that the students at these same schools act so arrogant while everyone else is feeding them. Ugh. GHETTO.
Zeus

El Paso, TX

#34 Jun 18, 2011
The best thing for the children of the El paso area would be a unified district which comprised all the districts in the county. MILLIONS and ultimately BILLIONS could be saved on administration and transportation which could then be reinvested into the infrastructure and teachers salaries. As well, policies allowing students to cross district boundaries would become moot as resources could be shared more equally. The fact that there are umpteen districts serving such a small area puts our children at a disadvantage.
EPISD

El Paso, TX

#35 Jun 18, 2011
We have 9 districts in the EL Paso area. Does that not mean 9 superintendents, 9 assistant superintendents, 9 different school boards to contend with---9 of everthing needed to run one or two districts. That seems to me 9 more different ways for graft and corruption to occur. Investingating and keeping only two districts would be far eaiser to keep tabs on our tax dollars. Of the nine we have, EPISD leads the way for dishonesty and abuse of tax dollars. I do not beleive that all superintendents are crooks, but I do beleive that as long as EPISD and Dr. Garcia and his crew leads some of the others will follow seeing as how Garcia gets away with what he had done to EPISD since 2006.
james russell ret

El Paso, TX

#36 Jun 18, 2011
The original basis of education was within the small communities and towns and not in the States and the nation. Each school was made for the community. Now we have a nation that mandates giving an education to everyone and then testing them to death. Our state is taking away our efforts to teach our children. They are telling each teacher exactly how to teach, when to teach, what to teach and we have to do it with fewer dollars dedicated to the children and more and more to the stupid tests. The state spends millions on these tests and the school districts are using these test as a barometer in how much to pay the administrators instead of the teachers. We need to get away from these tests, cut the number of administrators and cut the pay to all administrators by 10 percent.

I doubt Dr. Garica's words that he and the district will never use furloughs or pay cuts as a measure against the teachers. He will do it and he will do it viciously.
TVs

United States

#37 Jun 18, 2011
You need to work on your grammar and spelling. It is pitiful. Your lack of coherence makes it difficult to follow your argument.
Principals work hard to get to their position. Many, many of these people care deeply for their students.
see the light

El Paso, TX

#38 Jun 18, 2011
Zeus wrote:
<quoted text>
HAHAHAHAHA Good luck with that. The notion of free everything has become so ingrained in this joint (See Clint ISD) that students will revolt if they don't get what they want.
Clint has hired "School Chefs" after students refused to eat their free lunch, which would have resulted in a quick demise to the Free Breakfast and Lunch Handout Program.
What is amazing is that the students at these same schools act so arrogant while everyone else is feeding them. Ugh. GHETTO.
Did not know that.
EPISD

El Paso, TX

#39 Jun 18, 2011
james russell ret wrote:
The original basis of education was within the small communities and towns and not in the States and the nation. Each school was made for the community. Now we have a nation that mandates giving an education to everyone and then testing them to death. Our state is taking away our efforts to teach our children. They are telling each teacher exactly how to teach, when to teach, what to teach and we have to do it with fewer dollars dedicated to the children and more and more to the stupid tests. The state spends millions on these tests and the school districts are using these test as a barometer in how much to pay the administrators instead of the teachers. We need to get away from these tests, cut the number of administrators and cut the pay to all administrators by 10 percent.
I doubt Dr. Garica's words that he and the district will never use furloughs or pay cuts as a measure against the teachers. He will do it and he will do it viciously.
You and I do not always agree on some of the issues that are bloged but this time I am 100% in your corner. Dr. Garcia is and will remain the liar and cheat that he is until such time he is replaced and ran out of town. Too bad tar and feathers are out of style, he would make a good poster child to bring it back. Very few admin positions will be cut but you can bet teachers and many hourly paid people will be. Remember, he, the king himself, as said, openly, no one making 100,000 dollars would have to worry aboutloosing their positions. At the same time insurance payments have gone up around 10% from last year but he does not seem to worry, he got his 18,000 dollar bonus money. Who got the contract to repair the tennis courts for $100,000? OH yeah, a company somewhere in Ft. WOrth or Dallas! This guy is so transparent no one see what is going on.
Dan Wever

United States

#40 Jun 18, 2011
EWs Wfie wrote:
<quoted text> Anybody want to have some fun tonight? My husband will be out.
With who?
Dan Wever

United States

#41 Jun 18, 2011
Zeus wrote:
The best thing for the children of the El paso area would be a unified district which comprised all the districts in the county. MILLIONS and ultimately BILLIONS could be saved on administration and transportation which could then be reinvested into the infrastructure and teachers salaries. As well, policies allowing students to cross district boundaries would become moot as resources could be shared more equally. The fact that there are umpteen districts serving such a small area puts our children at a disadvantage.
Your theory does not hold water in the real world. Dallas and Houston have huge districts and they have more administrators that you can count. It does not have anything to do with size, if you get a Superintendent that has a goal of improving education and works solely toward that goal any district can save money. The secret is to have administrators that know something about what they are paid big bucks for. It seems that the EPISD if they need information on whether or not to have a crossing guard at a school they hire a consultant which is usually a friend of one of theirs.

The students always end up sucking hind tit.

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