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NMSU memo details apology in e-mail uproar

There are 70 comments on the Las Cruces Sun-News story from Apr 10, 2008, titled NMSU memo details apology in e-mail uproar. In it, Las Cruces Sun-News reports that:

Larry Olsen, the New Mexico State University administrator accused of e-mailing pornography to a whistle-blowing professor in the College of Health and Social Services, has apologized for doing so, according to ...

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Kelly

Las Cruces, NM

#1 Apr 10, 2008
I understand it was the "Sun News" and the NMSU "Round up" that got this story wrong - The two were suspended of their duties only as related to Bird and Moraros, and never from their other responsibilities. Thought here was not a retraction I know of, is this what Martin apologized for and the 'hi five' were about?

I do know students in both professors' courses are now suffering as they are unable to perform their top notch teaching abilities.

What a mess. This college, OIE, the Provost, the President and the press, really, really screwed this up. And they're not doing much for damage control either. So much for doctorates and job titles equaling intelligence. Myth busted?
Hope

Las Cruces, NM

#2 Apr 10, 2008
Fire President Martin (that "air-head" would not acknowledge discrimination if it bit off his little ___),who thinks all minorities should be "models" or be quiet. Fire little fat-boy Bruce, the so-called General Counsel (that lazy, lascivious "loser")and the rest of that old-boys club! New Mexico deserves better! These dudes make the rest of us look like we condone sexual harrasment, racism and zenophobia! Re-hire Moraros and Bird now 'cause I hear lots of good stuff about them from other NMSU students! Thank you for listening!
Buddhaman

Albuquerque, NM

#3 Apr 10, 2008
Adding this mess to the Mumme misstep about all Muslims being terrorists I guess we should feel consoled that those in charge don't wear their white sheets and pointed hats around campus.
Judas

Huntsville, AL

#4 Apr 10, 2008
Well, it's clear now that he did email pornography to his underlings--so he's going to be fired now, right?
David

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Apr 10, 2008
This is just one more example of a pattern of questionable behavior by senior faculty and administration at NMSU. A pattern that appears to have begun or increased with the arrive of President Martin.Is it possible that he is the problem? It is time some changes were made because the students, faculty, staff and community deserve better. This school is an embarrassment and that is a failure in leadership.
DHD

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Apr 10, 2008
Where is the link to these pictures? I want to see how bad they really are! Probbily nothing that no one has seen before!
Fernando Rodriguez

United States

#7 Apr 10, 2008
Another memorable moment at NMSU. Who Cares?
Fernando Rodriguez

United States

#8 Apr 10, 2008
DHD wrote:
Where is the link to these pictures? I want to see how bad they really are! Probbily nothing that no one has seen before!
Ya I know, nothing that no one has seen before, only if you are in the porn business! But, seriously! This sounds to me like they want to flex their, "Oh, I'm so educated, my brains are running overth with education, I can hardly contain myself" type deal!
Concerned student

Albuquerque, NM

#9 Apr 10, 2008
I am appalled that Dr. Olsen has apologized for sending porn from his administrative account yet he has been reinstated to his position, has received a public apology and is representing the University at a Public Health conference. What happened to the transparent thorough investigation that President Martin and Dean Brandon assured were under way? I guess when you are part of the old white men's sewing circle you can do and behave as you please.
Concerned student

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Apr 10, 2008
Actually it doesn't matter what the images show if someone feels uncomfortable. The bottom line is Dr. Moraros explained his discomfort and asked on numerous occasions for Dr. Olsen to stop sending the images. That is more than enough. As far as "doctorates and job titles equaling intelligence" I would say take a look around at those holding highly paid positions like the Dean of Research, Department Head and the Dean of HHS. I guess they do break that link!
What a world

Las Cruces, NM

#11 Apr 10, 2008
Wow...are you kidding me???!!!

Let me get this straight.

1) President Martin claims there is no evidence to support the allegations against the Associate Dean Larry Olsen!!!

2) President Martin offers a public apology to Associate Dean Larry Olsen.

3) Provost Waded Cruzado-Salas says that Dr. Olsen is a well respected administrator at NMSU, and how does the change all of a sudden?

4) Associate Dean Larry Olsen and Department Head Jim Robinson get reinstated and for all intensive purposes resume their administrative duties.

5) Associate Dean Larry Olsen finally admits to sending out multiple offensive, harassing and pornographic e-mails after repeatedly being told to stop by Dr. Moraros and then he offers an insincere apology and promises not to do it again.

6) For a job well done, Larry and Jim get rewarded with an all expenses paid, week-long trip to Fort Worth, Texas to proudly represent President Martin, Provost Cruzado-Salas and NMSU in the national American Alliance for Health, Physical Education, Recreation and Dance Conference!!!

7) For having the courage of their convictions and demanding the NMSU administration to address issues of social justice such as racism, sexual harassment, and a hostile work environment Dr. Moraros and Dr. Bird get a non-renewal of their contracts.

Question: Is NMSU senior administration delusional, arrogant, incompetent, malicious, unethical, on acid or just plain dumb?

Answer: All of the above
Outraged

Fort Worth, TX

#12 Apr 10, 2008
It is a farce that you guys dance to the music these people portray themselves as victims. The truth is something else and I do not believe you care. You find it convenient to follow the follower and never stop for one moment to check your facts and think for yourself. I truly pity you for your ignorance and letting a bunch of "stop at nothing" hooligans to destroy lives. Has it occurred to you that these "allegation" are not true? Did you check if they are true? Where is your sense of responsibility towards your fellow human being, your society, your self respect and integrity? Why do you allow yourself to be so cruel, so judgmental, so insensitive, so careless towards the truth? Has it occurred to you that these people have their own agenda and human decency is not one of them? NMSU is a place for decent, hardworking, professional people with self personal integrity and your actions mar the reputation of those who love and work at NMSU in all its colors. Like every organization, NMSU is not necessarily without problems. However, it does have a system all faculty, staff, and students are its body and they all know it has guidelines and policy it adheres to. You bought into it when you joined it. If there is something wrong in its policy then work within the system to change it. You do not have the right to throw mud at your family because you disagree with them. If you do, it says something about you not the university. Where is your ethics, your responsibility, your moral values, your maturity as a member of this community? At the expense of being attacked by the same mob, I will not print my real identity. I know the game only too well when you play with pigs. They enjoy throwing mud at you. Mark my words, they do. By the way my desk is more senior than the most senior among them. My desk is made of dead wood!!
big rob

Gallup, NM

#13 Apr 10, 2008
The Mumster is probably correct about his comments he made. So what?
Fernando Rodriguez

United States

#14 Apr 10, 2008
Outraged wrote:
It is a farce that you guys dance to the music these people portray themselves as victims. The truth is something else and I do not believe you care. You find it convenient to follow the follower and never stop for one moment to check your facts and think for yourself. I truly pity you for your ignorance and letting a bunch of "stop at nothing" hooligans to destroy lives. Has it occurred to you that these "allegation" are not true? Did you check if they are true? Where is your sense of responsibility towards your fellow human being, your society, your self respect and integrity? Why do you allow yourself to be so cruel, so judgmental, so insensitive, so careless towards the truth? Has it occurred to you that these people have their own agenda and human decency is not one of them? NMSU is a place for decent, hardworking, professional people with self personal integrity and your actions mar the reputation of those who love and work at NMSU in all its colors. Like every organization, NMSU is not necessarily without problems. However, it does have a system all faculty, staff, and students are its body and they all know it has guidelines and policy it adheres to. You bought into it when you joined it. If there is something wrong in its policy then work within the system to change it. You do not have the right to throw mud at your family because you disagree with them. If you do, it says something about you not the university. Where is your ethics, your responsibility, your moral values, your maturity as a member of this community? At the expense of being attacked by the same mob, I will not print my real identity. I know the game only too well when you play with pigs. They enjoy throwing mud at you. Mark my words, they do. By the way my desk is more senior than the most senior among them. My desk is made of dead wood!!
See what I mean! This person must have the truth, then has the odacity to pipe up on here as if we were right in front of her, and give us this liberal bs about being insensitve and not caring yada......yada......yee....yad a!! Who cares? Why don't you post your real name? Otherwise quit acting Hard, it's the internet! I can say what ever I want to! Read the paper, since I wasn't there to see what really happened this is our interpretation, chick! "Now go serve me some coffee, and get me the paper........rub my feet when you get back too! Make sure the coffee is hot and the way I like it!"
desertdawg

AOL

#15 Apr 10, 2008
"My desk is made of dead wood!!"
As, apparently, is a significant portion of the University administration...starting at the top.
The response by the administration has been nothing short of immature, unprofessional and insulting right from the git-go. Can you dispute that, Outraged? Is someone making up the quotes of Martin, Robinson and Olsen and paying the Sun News to publish them?
The school, students, faculty and community deserve better than these nitwits.
Anonymous Student

Las Cruces, NM

#16 Apr 10, 2008
Why is this a surprise to us? During my study at this university I have noted the following; a male body was found buried in Sutherland Student family housing, rapes and carjackings on campus, parked bikes being run over by university electronic carts, people being run into by university carts, student family housing units being flooded by sewage, campus housing units inundated with leaky roofs and moldy walls, lack of notification about the exposed asbestos flooring tiles in Sutherland family housing... shall I go on? Some day, this university will figure out that it's a federal institution liable for lawsuits on many of the above. Some day, the students will figure out that they can sue for the way this institution treats them. Until then, it's still open season. Dish it out NMSU!
Get a clue

United States

#17 Apr 10, 2008
Outraged wrote:
It is a farce that you guys dance to the music these people portray themselves as victims. The truth is something else and I do not believe you care. You find it convenient to follow the follower and never stop for one moment to check your facts and think for yourself...
I'm going to cut that one off right there. What seems obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together is that Larry Olsen did what he is accused of doing - why else would he issue an apology for his behavior. I further posit that there must have been proof of his guilt that he could not dispute - again, if there were no proof, why would he apologize? Just out of the goodness of his heart - which seems to be highly questionable?
I strongly suggest that you pull your head out of whatever hole it is so firmly lodged in and do a little fact-checking for yourself before you spew your ignorance in public again.
Student Power

Las Cruces, NM

#18 Apr 10, 2008
Hey "Outraged,"

I hear NMSU students are handing our fliers protesting at the Fort Worth, TX National AAHPERD conference.

Let's see what professors from the rest of the country will think of your psychobabble bullshit excuse for an incompetent, arrogant, racist, sexist, and abusive administration at NMSU.

I do not personally know the two professors in question (Dr. Moraros & Bird) but how are they exactly "portraying themselves as victims," if the senior administrator (Dr. Olsen) admitted in writing through a "confidential memo" no less (what a coward), to sending out the porn e-mails in the first place and then proceeds to offer a hypocritical apology for it?!

One hypocritical apology from the senior administration is enough per semester at NMSU and President Martin used it last month. Sorry Dr. Olsen, sorry won't cut it this time. You will need to fess up and held accountable for your actions!

"Outraged," you are right on one account, you are deadwood starting with your brain. You think the Las Cruces Sun News fabricated the "confidential memo," runs the risk of a libel lawsuit by NMSU and Dr. Olsen, and prints the story to satisfy a bunch of "stop at nothing" hooligans? What an idiot!

I say the bunch of "stop at nothing" hooligans are located in Hadley Hall and the College of Health & Social Services!

Please someone stop them and get rid of them quickly before they hurt more people and further humiliate our University!

Outraged wrote:
It is a farce that you guys dance to the music these people portray themselves as victims. The truth is something else and I do not believe you care. You find it convenient to follow the follower and never stop for one moment to check your facts and think for yourself. I truly pity you for your ignorance and letting a bunch of "stop at nothing" hooligans to destroy lives. Has it occurred to you that these "allegation" are not true? Did you check if they are true? Where is your sense of responsibility towards your fellow human being, your society, your self respect and integrity? Why do you allow yourself to be so cruel, so judgmental, so insensitive, so careless towards the truth? Has it occurred to you that these people have their own agenda and human decency is not one of them? NMSU is a place for decent, hardworking, professional people with self personal integrity and your actions mar the reputation of those who love and work at NMSU in all its colors. Like every organization, NMSU is not necessarily without problems. However, it does have a system all faculty, staff, and students are its body and they all know it has guidelines and policy it adheres to. You bought into it when you joined it. If there is something wrong in its policy then work within the system to change it. You do not have the right to throw mud at your family because you disagree with them. If you do, it says something about you not the university. Where is your ethics, your responsibility, your moral values, your maturity as a member of this community? At the expense of being attacked by the same mob, I will not print my real identity. I know the game only too well when you play with pigs. They enjoy throwing mud at you. Mark my words, they do. By the way my desk is more senior than the most senior among them. My desk is made of dead wood!!

Since: Apr 08

San Antonio, TX

#20 Apr 10, 2008
NMSU - 4th rate educational institution. It's not as if we're talking about Stanford, Harvard, or Rutgers. Get a life!
Larry Olsen

Las Cruces, NM

#21 Apr 10, 2008
Nice work Larry Olsen. You are trying to cover your ass. Can't you see that it's obvious that this response is either coming from you or Jim Robinson as you are in Fort Worth, Texas right now. Don't fool us, you are a sexual pervet that is worth nothing more than a dead donkey. If you call sending porn ethical and hardworking at NMSU, you are mistaken.

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