Conservative Priests are needed

Conservative Priests are needed

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JWRussell

El Paso, TX

#1 Dec 6, 2011
("The ongoing saga of the recall of Mayor Cook and city Reps Ortega and Byrd has had widespread ramifications. One of these has to do with the priests of the Catholic Church. Why aren't more of El Paso's priests preaching the truth about marriage and the sinfulness of homosexual activity?
The heroic priest who was teaching this has now been transferred out of El Paso. Why????
Tragically, I think too many priests have forgotten what it means to be a priest. May the following words serve as a reminder to them. There can be no more glorious vocation in this life than the call to be a priest of God.
A Catholic priest is entrusted with powers denied to the greatest of archangels. He has the power to make God the Son present upon the altar of sacrifice and offer Him as a pure oblation to the Blessed Trinity. He has the power to forgive or retain the sins of his fellowman. Astrid Terrazas")

The problem is that we need more conservative priest who follow the teachings of the Church in dealing with those who sin. Those who are living gay or lesbian life styles are sinners and the Church needs to make sure they do not condone that life style. The moral values of the community are to be upright in belief and the sinner to be forgiven the sin. However the sin needs to be condemned harshly. The Bishop has failed in his teachings on this and allowed Rev. Roldan-Lucero to much free reign. He should have censured him on this topic and not sending the other priest out of El Paso.

One respondent stated that gays and lesbians sexual practices were going on years before the church was established and granted that may have been true and they may have established a church of their own. But that Church was a pagan church and not a Christian or Jewish church. The morals or some of the priests can be questioned when they have molested children, but the Church need to stand by the moral standards they proclaim and instruct their priests to uphold the standards.

Since: Jul 08

United States

#2 Dec 6, 2011
Catholicism is beyond repair.
total bs

El Paso, TX

#3 Dec 6, 2011
The problem is that the Church, and the priests, need to stay the heck out of politics.

Their job is to teach morals, and Church doctrine not to get involved in political fights.

The priest that was moved was doing what the church ordained him to do. The cgurch here in El Paso and the surounding area is not the church. It is a pseudo-church that is in fact a political group.

Church, stick to church business.
JWRussell

El Paso, TX

#4 Dec 6, 2011
Jitney wrote:
Catholicism is beyond repair.
If you use your level of measurements then the real culprit in religion is the Evangelical lunatics in central and east Texas and those associated with the Republican party and Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Sanortum, Ron Paul, the out of touch and out of the running Hermann 666 Cain. There is nothing wrong with the churches participating in the election progress. The Supreme Court Justices consider Churches corporations and in their ruling in 2010 they ruled Corporations are to be considered person. They then have the right to donate to any person they wish in any amount they wish as long as they report the amount and to whom they donate.

Since: Jul 08

El Paso, TX

#5 Dec 10, 2011
JWRussell wrote:
<quoted text>If you use your level of measurements then the real culprit in religion is the Evangelical lunatics in central and east Texas and those associated with the Republican party and Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Sanortum, Ron Paul, the out of touch and out of the running Hermann 666 Cain. There is nothing wrong with the churches participating in the election progress. The Supreme Court Justices consider Churches corporations and in their ruling in 2010 they ruled Corporations are to be considered person. They then have the right to donate to any person they wish in any amount they wish as long as they report the amount and to whom they donate.
This thread is referring to a Catholic priest and I was responding to the fact that Catholicism has been given a black eye to say the least, due to the deplorable actions of priests - those who molest children and those who stray away from the Catholic doctrine. In that respect, I contend that Catholicism is beyond repair. Religious bigotry is being allowed to flourish in a country where religious freedom is guaranteed and I don't believe conservative priests will do anything to remedy this growing crisis. If Obama is re-elected and there is a good chance he will be, then we can put a fork in the Constitution and in America because they will be done.
JWRussell

El Paso, TX

#6 Dec 10, 2011
You may contend the Catholic Church is beyond repair but if you are saying it is because of religious bigotry the United States is having problems then look to the evangelical and off shoot churches who have lead the flocks astray and poison their minds to many in the United States and in the Catholic Church. You decry the pedophiles in the Catholic Church but what of the proven ones in all other churches. I have seen no out cry about them or the respective leaders of those churches shouting to the world they have taken care to make sure the pedophile is not in their rank either.
Religious freedom is a guarantee but not an absolute. It was a Chief Justice back in the early 1800s who put the separation of church into a doctrine not the founding fathers. The founding fathers were having a problem calling the United States a "Christian Nation" and the argument was to make sure that those who were Jews and other faiths were allowed to maintain their faith. That is why when you look at the constitution you will see the it forbids the "government" from creating a religion. GO pray to your GOD if you have one. If not go to you bank and pray to your money.

We need the conservative preachers and priest to maintain a moral standing in the world and to give some guidance to the people. Otherwise we will have anarchy and self important people who have decided they know better than everyone else and they will make the decisions.

Since: Jul 08

El Paso, TX

#7 Dec 11, 2011
JWRussell wrote:
You may contend the Catholic Church is beyond repair but if you are saying it is because of religious bigotry the United States is having problems then look to the evangelical and off shoot churches who have lead the flocks astray and poison their minds to many in the United States and in the Catholic Church. You decry the pedophiles in the Catholic Church but what of the proven ones in all other churches. I have seen no out cry about them or the respective leaders of those churches shouting to the world they have taken care to make sure the pedophile is not in their rank either.
Religious freedom is a guarantee but not an absolute. It was a Chief Justice back in the early 1800s who put the separation of church into a doctrine not the founding fathers. The founding fathers were having a problem calling the United States a "Christian Nation" and the argument was to make sure that those who were Jews and other faiths were allowed to maintain their faith. That is why when you look at the constitution you will see the it forbids the "government" from creating a religion. GO pray to your GOD if you have one. If not go to you bank and pray to your money.
We need the conservative preachers and priest to maintain a moral standing in the world and to give some guidance to the people. Otherwise we will have anarchy and self important people who have decided they know better than everyone else and they will make the decisions.
You're preaching to the choir. Perhaps I have not made myself clear. Please allow me to rephrase my point. I do not believe the Catholic church will recover from the continued damage done by pedophile priests and those priests straying away from Catholic doctrine. Political correctness, religious bigotry, and secular compromise will not allow the Catholic church to heal and have set the Catholic church on a course to self destruct. What happened to Father Rodriguez is a perfect example of where the Catholic church is headed. I also believe other religious institutions in America will share the same fate. I don't believe more conservative preachers and priests making a stand will effect the kind of change that is desperately needed to counter the growing number of religious bigots, especially those found in the well funded LGBTQRS community. I apologize for being so pessimistic but it seems to me, especially under the current administration, that religious freedom in America is being threatened.
Huey Goins

El Paso, TX

#8 Dec 14, 2011
Jitney wrote:
<quoted text>
You're preaching to the choir. Perhaps I have not made myself clear. Please allow me to rephrase my point. I do not believe the Catholic church will recover from the continued damage done by pedophile priests and those priests straying away from Catholic doctrine. Political correctness, religious bigotry, and secular compromise will not allow the Catholic church to heal and have set the Catholic church on a course to self destruct. What happened to Father Rodriguez is a perfect example of where the Catholic church is headed. I also believe other religious institutions in America will share the same fate. I don't believe more conservative preachers and priests making a stand will effect the kind of change that is desperately needed to counter the growing number of religious bigots, especially those found in the well funded LGBTQRS community. I apologize for being so pessimistic but it seems to me, especially under the current administration, that religious freedom in America is being threatened.
What is a homophobic bible thump-er going to do? You can not serve in the military or you have to lie and as soon as you speak your mind,your gone. Federal government No. State government No. City government No.Work at Bliss No. Work for someone that supplies Bliss No.Teach in public school No.
JWRussell

El Paso, TX

#9 Dec 14, 2011
The people who run the churches have the right to make a decision as to whether to cater to those who are gay/lesbian and treat them as there was nothing wrong but they have to understand that the traditional churches do not have to recognize them as gays or lesbians without condemning their practices.

What I wonder is if the Torah recognizes homosexuals and how it deals with them. The traditional Jewish faith must have similar views as the Islamic religions as they are based on the same bible and history.

How do the Hindu and Buddhist handle the issue. Do they recognize and accept homosexual beliefs or do they treat it with abject contempt and treat them as untouchables as they do some of the lower caste people?

But it is getting away from the point here that we in the catholic community need conservative priest to administer to the people and to make them understand that we forgive the sinner but condemn the sin. The "Church", thereby meaning the people in charge, needs to make a vigorous stand against the sin of homosexual behavior and vigorous stand for the institution of marriage. They need to bring this forward openly to the community and to the law makers to make sure that marriage is a protected sanctity between a man and a woman.

That was the reason GOD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The people had forsaken GOD and were into all sorts of sexual and bestial acts that were against the GOD's laws.

Since: Jul 08

El Paso, TX

#10 Dec 15, 2011
JWRussell wrote:
The people who run the churches have the right to make a decision as to whether to cater to those who are gay/lesbian and treat them as there was nothing wrong but they have to understand that the traditional churches do not have to recognize them as gays or lesbians without condemning their practices.
What I wonder is if the Torah recognizes homosexuals and how it deals with them. The traditional Jewish faith must have similar views as the Islamic religions as they are based on the same bible and history.
How do the Hindu and Buddhist handle the issue. Do they recognize and accept homosexual beliefs or do they treat it with abject contempt and treat them as untouchables as they do some of the lower caste people?
But it is getting away from the point here that we in the catholic community need conservative priest to administer to the people and to make them understand that we forgive the sinner but condemn the sin. The "Church", thereby meaning the people in charge, needs to make a vigorous stand against the sin of homosexual behavior and vigorous stand for the institution of marriage. They need to bring this forward openly to the community and to the law makers to make sure that marriage is a protected sanctity between a man and a woman.
That was the reason GOD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The people had forsaken GOD and were into all sorts of sexual and bestial acts that were against the GOD's laws.
I agree with you in large part but your optimism for the Catholic church does not address the reality that the people in charge have and will continue to compromise with secular beliefs.
JWRussell

El Paso, TX

#11 Dec 17, 2011
Transfer of bishop
"For those who have some grasp of the inner working of the Catholic Church, it's quite obvious what just went down with the transfer of Bishop Armando Ochoa. Clearly, Rome is not happy with Bishop Ochoa.
This transfer of a bishop who is nearly 69 years old is highly unusual. Nevertheless, Bishop Ochoa is lucky that Rome put him in a position to give the transfer a positive "spin."
The lingering and intriguing question now is: What will happen to Father Michael Rodriguez? Ricardo and Florinda Ramos"

This is the best argument of the entire thing on Conservationism in the Church. The Bishop went beyond his authority. HE has his own opinion but he was very wrong about transferring the priest. He should have censored Rev. Roldan-Lucero quietly behind church doors. Father Rodriguez should have been allowed to stay in El Paso County. His teachings were proper and in line with the church's beliefs.

“Retired ”

Since: Mar 09

Tucson, Az, El Paso Tx,

#12 Dec 17, 2011
JWRussell wrote:
<quoted text>If you use your level of measurements then the real culprit in religion is the Evangelical lunatics in central and east Texas and those associated with the Republican party and Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Sanortum, Ron Paul, the out of touch and out of the running Hermann 666 Cain. There is nothing wrong with the churches participating in the election progress. The Supreme Court Justices consider Churches corporations and in their ruling in 2010 they ruled Corporations are to be considered person. They then have the right to donate to any person they wish in any amount they wish as long as they report the amount and to whom they donate.
I am sure you wrote the book on evaluating people and their contributions to the World.
Defame the law of the Elite, give the world a break, there is enough hate, ridicule and corruption without your dribble.
JWRussell

El Paso, TX

#13 Dec 18, 2011
Revolver 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sure you wrote the book on evaluating people and their contributions to the World.
Defame the law of the Elite, give the world a break, there is enough hate, ridicule and corruption without your dribble.
When people are in excess of their beliefs and force it onto the entire populous we are in trouble. This is the core of the evangelical movement in the republican party. They want to rule by religion as King Edward did when he disagreed with Rome and started the Anglican Church and put himself as the head. After that he decimated the Catholic Church in England, stole their land and property and executed many of the priests who failed to convert or flee England. IT is better to have the members of the church on board with the teachings rather than have a variety of teaching within the Church that contradict themselves and confuse the members.

Since: Jul 08

El Paso, TX

#14 Dec 19, 2011
JWRussell wrote:
Transfer of bishop
"For those who have some grasp of the inner working of the Catholic Church, it's quite obvious what just went down with the transfer of Bishop Armando Ochoa. Clearly, Rome is not happy with Bishop Ochoa.
This transfer of a bishop who is nearly 69 years old is highly unusual. Nevertheless, Bishop Ochoa is lucky that Rome put him in a position to give the transfer a positive "spin."
The lingering and intriguing question now is: What will happen to Father Michael Rodriguez? Ricardo and Florinda Ramos"
This is the best argument of the entire thing on Conservationism in the Church. The Bishop went beyond his authority. HE has his own opinion but he was very wrong about transferring the priest. He should have censored Rev. Roldan-Lucero quietly behind church doors. Father Rodriguez should have been allowed to stay in El Paso County. His teachings were proper and in line with the church's beliefs.
Sounds good but I'm sure it is not the norm.

“Retired ”

Since: Mar 09

Tucson, Az, El Paso Tx,

#15 Dec 23, 2011
JWRussell wrote:
<quoted text>When people are in excess of their beliefs and force it onto the entire populous we are in trouble. This is the core of the evangelical movement in the republican party. They want to rule by religion as King Edward did when he disagreed with Rome and started the Anglican Church and put himself as the head. After that he decimated the Catholic Church in England, stole their land and property and executed many of the priests who failed to convert or flee England. IT is better to have the members of the church on board with the teachings rather than have a variety of teaching within the Church that contradict themselves and confuse the members.
The country was founded in Part from the suppression of Freedom, being on board is a compromise with the core values, Bishop is History, so suppression is good, freedom is not?
HaHaHaJaJaJa

El Paso, TX

#16 Dec 23, 2011
Revolver 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
The country was founded in Part from the suppression of Freedom, being on board is a compromise with the core values, Bishop is History, so suppression is good, freedom is not?
go back to bed you homosexual
HaHaHaJaJaJa

El Paso, TX

#17 Dec 23, 2011
HaHaHaJaJaJa wrote:
<quoted text>go back to bed you homosexual
You will all be happy to hear that I am moving . I finally got a place to live where I feel at home . I got a room over the plantation . Really close to my bestest butty's

“Retired ”

Since: Mar 09

Tucson, Az, El Paso Tx,

#18 Dec 23, 2011
HaHaHaJaJaJa wrote:
<quoted text>go back to bed you homosexual
ha ha ha you know them all and the former bishop too great you are ha ha ha
JWRussell

El Paso, TX

#19 Dec 28, 2011
The opinion page is full of discord over the bishop. The conservative approach is being pursued and the leftist in the church wanting to coddle the masses and allow that they recognize a community of sinners without condemning their behavior is beyond belief. Genesis chapter on the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is explicit in the description of the people and the practices that GOD forbids and what the Angels preformed on the two cities. God sent the angels to remove Lott and his family and their intended and to prevent the followers of Bestiality and Sodomy from getting to Lott's visitors Lott forbade them entry into his compound. They broke in and the Angels blinded the mass of people inorder to get Lott and his family out of the cities. This shows God disfavor with homosexuality. The Bishop sent the wrong priest out of Town. HE failed his flock in town by not sanctioning the other priest Rev. Roldan-Lucero. IT is the Bishop who is supposed to follow the church in reporting priest who molest the children and hold them accountable. IT is the Bishop who is supposed to follow the laws of the Church. Have the sinner repent the sin and forgive the sinner, but do not forgive or forget the sin itself.

Since: Jul 08

El Paso, TX

#20 Dec 28, 2011
JWRussell wrote:
The opinion page is full of discord over the bishop. The conservative approach is being pursued and the leftist in the church wanting to coddle the masses and allow that they recognize a community of sinners without condemning their behavior is beyond belief. Genesis chapter on the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is explicit in the description of the people and the practices that GOD forbids and what the Angels preformed on the two cities. God sent the angels to remove Lott and his family and their intended and to prevent the followers of Bestiality and Sodomy from getting to Lott's visitors Lott forbade them entry into his compound. They broke in and the Angels blinded the mass of people inorder to get Lott and his family out of the cities. This shows God disfavor with homosexuality. The Bishop sent the wrong priest out of Town. HE failed his flock in town by not sanctioning the other priest Rev. Roldan-Lucero. IT is the Bishop who is supposed to follow the church in reporting priest who molest the children and hold them accountable. IT is the Bishop who is supposed to follow the laws of the Church. Have the sinner repent the sin and forgive the sinner, but do not forgive or forget the sin itself.
Agreed.

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