Firefighters Pursue Brush Fire Across 10 Acres of Montebello Hills

Jul 10, 2012 | Posted by: 42 yr North Mtb resident | Full story: egpnews.com

Fire crews on Monday chased a brush fire across more than 10 acres of the Montebello Hills, putting out most of it by the evening, with crews expected to be on watch into Tuesday morning, officials said.

Authorities say the fire did not reached homes and no one was injured, though two power poles were burned down, exposing live power lines. Water to put out the fire is being pumped from nearby Legg Lake, where helicopters are stationed.

Photo: Fire Command Heasquarters on Hibiscus St. Courtesy Alberto Perez

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81 - 100 of 102 Comments Last updated Jul 24, 2012
Wonder Why

United States

#81 Jul 15, 2012
Settle down wrote:
42, You r acting 2. These are Condos. Not crack houses. Or Casinos. My point is they should have the right. Just like the people who develped Yorba Linda, Brea etc. Just like the people who choose to live in those areas. If u don't like it. Don't move there. Don't look there and don't go to the park they develope there. Just mind ur own business. Stop trying to block progress and settle down. PS. While u r at it. Move out of your mom's house.
The City of Montebello & State of California have rules and regulations to ensure public safety & benefit all of us. People don't have free reign to build whatever they want on their land. Just try putting a trailer park in Beverly Hills or Newport Beach for example. The reality of the proposed hill project is that something like 140 acres running in a ring around the proposed condos would be comprised of, guess what, flammable coastal sage. The exit & evacuation routes would run through this, to be blunt, brush. The condos would sit upon an active oil field from which both oil and natural gas are extracted. Both burn pretty easily. The oil well bunkers would be as close as 150 feet from the condo project line. A high pressure gas line, like the one that blew in San Bruno, crosses the property & runs in close proximity to a hazardous liquid pipeline. The safety issues in this configuration are obvious.

I am tremendously grateful to the Montebello Fire and Police Departments as well as to the fourteen other fire departments that fought this fire and saved Montebello from what could have been a disaster. What if the wind had been blowing? What if all these outside departments couldn't have come to help, either because of other fire emergencies or blocked roads such as will exist in a major seismic event? The proposed Montebello Hills condo development is not safe and should not be built.

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#82 Jul 15, 2012
Wonder Why wrote:
<quoted text>The City of Montebello & State of California have rules and regulations to ensure public safety & benefit all of us. People don't have free reign to build whatever they want on their land. Just try putting a trailer park in Beverly Hills or Newport Beach for example. The reality of the proposed hill project is that something like 140 acres running in a ring around the proposed condos would be comprised of, guess what, flammable coastal sage. The exit & evacuation routes would run through this, to be blunt, brush. The condos would sit upon an active oil field from which both oil and natural gas are extracted. Both burn pretty easily. The oil well bunkers would be as close as 150 feet from the condo project line. A high pressure gas line, like the one that blew in San Bruno, crosses the property & runs in close proximity to a hazardous liquid pipeline. The safety issues in this configuration are obvious.
I am tremendously grateful to the Montebello Fire and Police Departments as well as to the fourteen other fire departments that fought this fire and saved Montebello from what could have been a disaster. What if the wind had been blowing? What if all these outside departments couldn't have come to help, either because of other fire emergencies or blocked roads such as will exist in a major seismic event? The proposed Montebello Hills condo development is not safe and should not be built.
I will add the next step. Building on uniquely dangerous ground like this, with the possibility of loss of life of fire fighters, loss of homes, and loss of life of the residents, does not constitute "acceptable losses" as far as I am concerned.
ex montebello firefighter

Monrovia, CA

#83 Jul 15, 2012
42 yr North Mtb resident wrote:
<quoted text>I will add the next step. Building on uniquely dangerous ground like this, with the possibility of loss of life of fire fighters, loss of homes, and loss of life of the residents, does not constitute "acceptable losses" as far as I am concerned.
You are 1000% correct!!
Theolona Ranger

Los Angeles, CA

#84 Jul 15, 2012
Tosted gnatcatchrs are not acceptable either.
To PXP they are expendagle.
They plan on eliminating half of them during construction.
After construction Cook Hill will return to Newport Beach, disolve the corporations that did the construction, leave Montebello with all the aftermath.
Via Con Diaz

City needs to come up with a plan to upgrade the water system (s)
Settle down

United States

#85 Jul 16, 2012
Wonder Why wrote:
<quoted text>The City of Montebello & State of California have rules and regulations to ensure public safety & benefit all of us. People don't have free reign to build whatever they want on their land. Just try putting a trailer park in Beverly Hills or Newport Beach for example. The reality of the proposed hill project is that something like 140 acres running in a ring around the proposed condos would be comprised of, guess what, flammable coastal sage. The exit & evacuation routes would run through this, to be blunt, brush. The condos would sit upon an active oil field from which both oil and natural gas are extracted. Both burn pretty easily. The oil well bunkers would be as close as 150 feet from the condo project line. A high pressure gas line, like the one that blew in San Bruno, crosses the property & runs in close proximity to a hazardous liquid pipeline. The safety issues in this configuration are obvious.
I am tremendously grateful to the Montebello Fire and Police Departments as well as to the fourteen other fire departments that fought this fire and saved Montebello from what could have been a disaster. What if the wind had been blowing? What if all these outside departments couldn't have come to help, either because of other fire emergencies or blocked roads such as will exist in a major seismic event? The proposed Montebello Hills condo development is not safe and should not be built.
What's wrong with trailer parks? BTW. Newport Beach has several trailer parks. One of which is right on the beach. Why? You may ask. Did someone put trailers on the beach? Because this is America! I wonder if there were fools around like you who didn't want the automobile to go over 10 MPH? There is danger in every thing we do. Settle down. U r killing me on the "exit" routes. Really. They should not have developed Montebello at all. What if the bridges all get taken out? JezZzz. Let it go! If u dnt like it. Don't look at it, buy it, or use it.

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#86 Jul 17, 2012
It is necessary for me to make two mea culpas.

First, to settle down, I may have innacurately used the appelation "corrupt" to describe you. It has been pointed out to me by those with a less emotional evaluation of your posts that it is not clear about what I had unwarrentedly assumed: that you were a resident or employee of the city of Montebello.

Being against Montebello's quality of life, maintaining property values, the city's financial stability, employment of the city's public safety and other employees, keeping up said employees' pensions and salaries, the safety of the lives of public safety employees, preserving Montebello's last natural open space for our children, and other beneficial things does NOT automatically make you corrupt.

It would only be corrupt if you were a resident or city employee working against your co-workers and/or neighbors, and there apparently exists no definitive indication of those circumstances.

Thus, I withdraw my description of 'corrupt' and apologize if it is inapplicable.

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#87 Jul 17, 2012
Second, I apologize to all the readers and the developer's spokesman at the 7/11 city council meeting that I, and others, have been misquoting.

The developer's spokesman said "acceptable level of risk" in referring to fire dangers in the proposed development, and NOT "acceptable risk", as I, and others, have been saying.

When the spokesman said it, all of us turned to each other and said,'What did he say?', as he spoke somewhat unclearly, quickly, and the sound system is not the best. We 4 in the back all thought he said 'acceptable losses' at the time, but those who were sitting closer to the front heard the correct 'acceptable level of risk'.

None of my comments need to be amended, however, as the difference in meaning in the issues I was commenting on is negligible. In insurance and probability terms,'level of risk' and 'level of loss' are sometimes used interchangeably, as the 'risk' is the risk of loss.
Wonder Why

United States

#88 Jul 18, 2012
Settle down wrote:
<quoted text>
What's wrong with trailer parks? BTW. Newport Beach has several trailer parks. One of which is right on the beach. Why? You may ask. Did someone put trailers on the beach? Because this is America! I wonder if there were fools around like you who didn't want the automobile to go over 10 MPH? There is danger in every thing we do. Settle down. U r killing me on the "exit" routes. Really. They should not have developed Montebello at all. What if the bridges all get taken out? JezZzz. Let it go! If u dnt like it. Don't look at it, buy it, or use it.
I never heard the facilities in Newport Beach to which you are referring called "trailer parks" during my time in Orange County. The operative words back then were "mobile home estates" and "campland", the latter term being used for vacation destinations such as the Back Bay facility. Those developments had little in common with the "trailer parks" of old or with those commonly found in outlying areas (or on Garvey and Rosemead Blvd.)
What does vehicle speed limits have to do with land use decisions? Are you suggesting that, because this is America, any driver should be able to drive as fast as they want anywhere, anytime on any public roadway? Welcome to 200 mph in the cul-de-sac. Tricycle drivers, get out of the way.
The topic of "exit routes" seems to irk you.Do you recall the San Diego County fire of a few years ago? Does it matter to you that a family's teenage daughter was burned to death trying to drive home? Another entire family perished on the roadway, trying to get to a reservoir. There were so many other casualties in that tragedy. Fire safety is important.
I'm glad you brought up the subject of bridges being taken out. We lost one bridge in the oil tanker fire. Have you forgotten what a massive inconvenience that was to residents, commuters and local businesses whose revenues plummeted? We live in earthquake country. We've been told that, in a natural disaster, we'll be on our own for up to three weeks. How good are you at fighting fires? WE simply don't need to be putting potential residents in a high risk situation such as this proposed condo project.
Theolona ranger

Los Angeles, CA

#89 Jul 18, 2012
Three weeks Wonder Why
In a major San Andreas event we could be without water for six months.
If the old brittle pipes break as they did in the San Fernando quake there is not enough replacement pipe in southern California or even in the United States to do the repairs.
The time to replace this disaster waiting to happen is NOW

Bridges
We could loose all the bridges across the Whittier Narrows (except maybe the new Beverly blvd bridge)
we could loose the 60 freeway from San Gabriel blvd to the 605 and east along the deep channel of Walnut creek to the 57. You could also get a big slide at Montebello's Mt Trashmore
The 605 from the 210 (anywhere along the thousands of feet deep aluvial channel of the San Gabriel river) to the 5 (Downey in the very deep Los Angeles Basin)
The 5 from the 605 to the 710 (deep Los Angeles Basin)
The 10 Freeway from Rosemead bl x Rio Hondo to the 605
The Rosemead blvd/ 60 freeway bridge is vulnerable

CalTrans has yet to do the analysis indicated as being required by the USGS Shakeout Scnerio.
Time for a study and retrofits
Dain Fitzgerald

Los Angeles, CA

#90 Jul 19, 2012
If There Are So Few Fires, Why Are There So Many Firefighters?
That's what one economist wants to know

The number of fires across the country has dropped enormously since the early 1980s, while at the same time the number of firefighters has actually grown.

Economist Alexander Tabarrok thinks there's something a bit scandalous about that.

According to the National Fire Protection Association, he writes, the number of fires has dropped from well over 2 million in the early 80s to just over 1 million today.

At the same time, however, the head count for career firefighters has grown from around 225,000 to nearly 350,000, an approximately 50% increase.

Tabarrok observes firefighters increasingly engaging in things like neighborhood beautification, gang intervention, and substitute-teaching in time that could otherwise - in theory - be spent putting out fires.

Tabarrok, who only sarcastically refers to firefighters as "heroes," blames unionization and featherbedding contracts (which allow for more workers than needed to do a job) for the situation, and notes that in places like Orange County, California, less than 3% of fire calls are for actual fires.

Via Marginal Revolution.
http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolut...
ex montebello firefighter

Monrovia, CA

#91 Jul 19, 2012
Dain Fitzgerald wrote:
If There Are So Few Fires, Why Are There So Many Firefighters?
That's what one economist wants to know

The number of fires across the country has dropped enormously since the early 1980s, while at the same time the number of firefighters has actually grown.

Economist Alexander Tabarrok thinks there's something a bit scandalous about that.

According to the National Fire Protection Association, he writes, the number of fires has dropped from well over 2 million in the early 80s to just over 1 million today.

At the same time, however, the head count for career firefighters has grown from around 225,000 to nearly 350,000, an approximately 50% increase.

Tabarrok observes firefighters increasingly engaging in things like neighborhood beautification, gang intervention, and substitute-teaching in time that could otherwise - in theory - be spent putting out fires.

Tabarrok, who only sarcastically refers to firefighters as "heroes," blames unionization and featherbedding contracts (which allow for more workers than needed to do a job) for the situation, and notes that in places like Orange County, California, less than 3% of fire calls are for actual fires.

Via Marginal Revolution.
http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolut...
Do firefighters fight fires everyday? No. Do they respond to medical emergencies, approximately 93% of the time? Yes! In most jurisdictions, Fire Departments are understaffed! We are required to do more with less! Most of us wear different hats. Most of us perform duties that could be assigned to staff, however, there is no staff to assign them to, so we take on these collateral responsibilities. That was a misinformed and irresponsible statement! I would love to see you try to do what we do! Why do we do it? Because it is our passion to help people! When you run out of answers, you dial 911, and we show up to fix your problem.... I would love to show you and that Tabarrok fellow what reality is!

“Hilltop Park Above All”

Since: Sep 08

Montebello, CA

#92 Jul 20, 2012
Dain Fitzgerald wrote:
If There Are So Few Fires, Why Are There So Many Firefighters?
That's what one economist wants to know
The number of fires across the country has dropped enormously since the early 1980s, while at the same time the number of firefighters has actually grown.
Economist Alexander Tabarrok thinks there's something a bit scandalous about that.
According to the National Fire Protection Association, he writes, the number of fires has dropped from well over 2 million in the early 80s to just over 1 million today.
At the same time, however, the head count for career firefighters has grown from around 225,000 to nearly 350,000, an approximately 50% increase.
Tabarrok observes firefighters increasingly engaging in things like neighborhood beautification, gang intervention, and substitute-teaching in time that could otherwise - in theory - be spent putting out fires.
Tabarrok, who only sarcastically refers to firefighters as "heroes," blames unionization and featherbedding contracts (which allow for more workers than needed to do a job) for the situation, and notes that in places like Orange County, California, less than 3% of fire calls are for actual fires.
Via Marginal Revolution.
http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolut...
I haven't seen that study, but apparently it has not taken into consideration that while the absolute number of fires may be declining, global warming and its climate change mean that wildfire season starts earlier each year, and such fires spread more quickly and are larger than those of past years.

The increasing development in Mountains and Hills means that fires that, in the past, would have been allowed to burn out naturally or fought only on the perimeter, now have to be fought more intensely with more men and equipment for more months out of the year.

I notice that the largest category of incident that I personally see firefighters, after strictly medical emergencies, at are vehicle crashes. Often, hazardous spills clean ups, jaws of life extrications, and other types of activities occur that firefighters are best trained to address.

Also, in the past, firefighters were on call for much longer hours. The modern use of shorter shifts alone mean more firefighters.
Trash Talk

Los Angeles, CA

#93 Jul 20, 2012
EX
Do you think there is a lot of duplication between the FD (and paramedics) and the ambulance company?

What would it take to get ambulance service back to the MFD?

I'd rather see the ambulance money funding paramedics and emergency services instead of two vehicles and crews on every call.

Curent const of Ambulance services
minus
Cost to add ambulance service to MFD paramedic service
equals
how much net savings?
ex montebello firefighter

United States

#94 Jul 20, 2012
Trash Talk wrote:
EX
Do you think there is a lot of duplication between the FD (and paramedics) and the ambulance company?

What would it take to get ambulance service back to the MFD?

I'd rather see the ambulance money funding paramedics and emergency services instead of two vehicles and crews on every call.

Curent const of Ambulance services
minus
Cost to add ambulance service to MFD paramedic service
equals
how much net savings?
Ambulance companies provide patient transportation only. Paramedic service is provided by Firefighter/Paramedics in most jurisdictions. That gives you, the citizens, more "bang for your buck". In the case of most jurisdictions who are not able to provide patient transport due to their giving up their 201 rights years ago. Is it more lucrative for a city to transport? Absolutely! Chief Cox tried to set up an ambulance program years ago, but due to the 201 issue, was unsuccessful. It must be quite the venture. I recently spoke to a Captain for a department in Orange County and he said that Care Ambulance pays his department $1 million per year to be able to house their ambulances at their stations. Can you imagine what their profit margin is to be able to afford that? Hope that answers your question.
Trash Talk

Los Angeles, CA

#95 Jul 20, 2012
I'm headed out of town for the weekend EX but do you really mean that having both paramedics and ambulance companies gives you the most "bang for your buck"?
ex montebello firefighter

Santa Ana, CA

#96 Jul 20, 2012
Trash Talk wrote:
I'm headed out of town for the weekend EX but do you really mean that having both paramedics and ambulance companies gives you the most "bang for your buck"?
No, I said that having firefighters trained as paramedics is more "bang for your buck".
Theolona Ranger

Los Angeles, CA

#97 Jul 20, 2012
So how to "consolidate" with fire department ambulances so only one vehicle has to respond and transport?
No more caravans to the ER
ex montebello firefighter

United States

#98 Jul 20, 2012
Theolona Ranger wrote:
So how to "consolidate" with fire department ambulances so only one vehicle has to respond and transport?
No more caravans to the ER
Cannot be done. When Montebello FD relinquished it's 201 right, it negated any possibility of ambulance transportation. In reality, it is better for the patient. If the patient's condition was to deteriorate enroute to the hospital, you have 3 to 4 times the trained personnel available to assist you.
Pro laco

La Habra, CA

#99 Jul 24, 2012
Do the county model with squads best patient care at the best price
Duh

La Habra, CA

#100 Jul 24, 2012
It works for the nearly 60 cities the county provides service too.....

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