Forum centers on Luke AFB

Forum centers on Luke AFB

There are 59 comments on the Northwest Valley News story from Dec 10, 2009, titled Forum centers on Luke AFB. In it, Northwest Valley News reports that:

Issues associated with the impact of Luke Air Force Base serving as a training base for F-35 fighter jets will be explored during a public forum presented by El Mirage Tuesday.

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Booger Pickin Idiot

Englewood, CO

#47 Jan 6, 2010
laojim wrote:
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It isn't the sound of freedom. It's the unnecessary noise of an airplane. Luke had different and less noisy airplanes at the time. I didn't opt for an open ended permit for the fly boys to annoy everyone all the time without limit.
You look very nice rolled up in you flag like that. Shouldn't you uphold a torch as well while we gaze upon the chimes of freedom flashing?
WTF did you think it might be like living next to an AFB? Here's a News Flash Jackass. Living next to an AFB IS "An open ended permit for the fly boys to annoy everyone all the time without limit".

Does that clear it up for you. If not, I hear there's some property available down where they launch the space shutle.
Booger Pickin Idiot

Englewood, CO

#48 Jan 6, 2010
EASY MONEY wrote:
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Yep! A liberal hears the truth and then runs just as fast as he can to spout the Constitution. Also in typical liberal stupidity you have referred to Americas finest as "fly boys". To enlighten you, they are Fighter Pilots, the cream of the crop, and you are, and always have been, a fly speck in the produce dept.at Safeway. If memory serves me right the takeoff and landing pattern for Luke just fringes the edge of Sun City. You are correct about one thing, in my opinion the Air Force should do what is best for America and the hell with what some tired liberal twit sucking up good air in Sun City thinks. Now go to the Rec Center and find some other old hags shoulder to cry on. Better still visit the folks at Boswell I've heard they have a few padded rooms.
You strike me as being from the East someplace, but I am certain of one thing, where ever you retired from, is where you should go back to. Your unfit to reside in Arizona, it's a Republican State.
Just a note on your "Liberal Comment". I am a Liberal, and I also spent 20+ years wearing an Air Force Uniform.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#49 Jan 6, 2010
Booger Pickin Idiot wrote:
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Just a note on your "Liberal Comment". I am a Liberal, and I also spent 20+ years wearing an Air Force Uniform.
Nah, air force people are usually polite and intelligent. you are neither so you are a poser. Plenty of air bases have been closed in recent years, there is no reason Luke cannot be one of those.
J W Simms

Chandler, AZ

#50 Jan 6, 2010
vietnamvet69 wrote:
If you don't like the sound of freedom, then feel free to move to another area of the valley where you don't have to put up with the noise. When you bought your home, you more than likely knew that it was close to Luke AFB, and Air Force bases have aircraft that take-off and land!! I have lived on Air Force bases and I didn't then and don't now mind them flying over my house.
And if you think that forcing Luke AFB to close just because you don't like the noise, you have to think about the effect on the local economy that would have. It would be devestating to the City of Glendale and other communities near the base, as the amount of money spend by the personnel and civilian employees from there is a lot of money if you think about it.
But most of all, the sound you hear is the sound of freedom. If you don't like freedom, then feel free to move to another country!!!
Vietnamvet? boasting about the sound of freedom? This!! coming from a guy who surrendered with honor" to a bunch of slanty eyed gooks who fought and!! won a war against the most powerful nation on earth, using not much more than sharp sticks and a hand full of rocks as weapons.Let me tell you something!! Mr. " Vietnamvet " There is no honor in surrender, you either win or you die, fighting to win, there is no honor in anything in between. So as you leave the U. S. A. with your head held down in shame, Please feel free to take your sound of freedom with you, you failed us all. J.W. Simms.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#51 Jan 6, 2010
Booger Pickin Idiot wrote:
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Just a note on your "Liberal Comment". I am a Liberal, and I also spent 20+ years wearing an Air Force Uniform.
Hows that change you voted for working out for you? Like that raise and hows that SS doing?
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#52 Jan 6, 2010
Now back to that liberal, socialist worthless prig living in Sun City. I hope your freezing your *** off, it's 91, soft breeze, no golf carts clogging up the streets, no old worn out people wandering around waiting to die. Yes indeed life in the real world is good. No civil rights, no quotas, no equal opportunity, no sexual harassment, damn and most importantly no sorry American lisping ex-school teachers wandering around pissing and moaning about non existent noise. I wonder how long he's been a card carrier?

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#53 Jan 6, 2010
Booger Pickin Idiot wrote:
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Does that clear it up for you. If not, I hear there's some property available down where they launch the space shutle.
BTW, I used to live in that area and had friends in Cocoa Beach and in Mims. They never had any noise trouble with the place at all, just an occasional rumble from several miles away. Nothing you couldn't sleep through. Mind you, it's getting quiet there because the space shuttle is about over and then you'll have to go to the Baikonur Cosmodrome to see them go up.

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Since: Mar 07

Wittmann Arizona

#55 Jan 7, 2010
From what I hear the test models are having a tough time staying in the air and a replacement model has already been ordered, the F-22 may go back in to production so the whole project may be tossed.
New Wittmanite

San Antonio, TX

#56 Jan 7, 2010
Triple D wrote:
I sent this as an open letter to our legislators; county, state and federal. I hope they can read.
My wife and I bought a home in Wittmann, Arizona in 2004. We were fully aware of the location of AUX 1, an auxiliary field for Luke Air Force Base, at the time and had no problem with any noise or danger that existed due to the presence of the F16 flyovers. We have no complaint with the F16's noise. We have never complained about their presence.
In 2007, 2008 and 2009 the governmentÂ’s role in our lives has become so obtrusive in regard to the use of, the improvement of, the maintenance of and the value of our home that we have become non-entities in your eyes and the eyes of both Federal, State and Local governments. We have rights and needs as well as the citizens of Scottsdale, Phoenix and other metro areas within the state. The State, Federal, County and local governments, your peers, the Governor and local politicians look at the dollars at risk with a possible loss of Luke and totally overlook the fact that we legally bought an approved, permitted and legal home and have the right the build, rebuild, remodel, improve and sell our home without any loss of value due to the fight over Luke. We also have the right to expect compensation for any loss of those rights. You cannot freeze our home and land while you bicker over the $$$$$ that Luke brings to the State. You cannot force me out or damage my property values without paying for your gain and my loss.
Now you are possibly fighting for the F35 to be a part of our lives. Everything I read about this jet is that the noise is highly obnoxious and possible damaging due to its elevated noise levels. Even the engineers that designed it and the Air Force admit it is at least double the F16. Folks, double the noise will be damaging to us under any standard of examination. These jets fly over my home at about 500 feet and the F35 increases the possibility of damage to my hearing and my life. There is sufficient space surrounding Luke Air Force Base proper to provide protection but not here. My home is legal and did not violate any law or zoning provision at the time of it building and my purchase. How can you in good conscience attempt to bring this to my home? The only people that should have the right to complain about Luke or praise its continuance should be the individuals that are directly affected by the noise, the direct revenue loss, the potential accident risks, etc.
I support my nationÂ’s military. I am an ex-Navy and Army brat that fully understands the why of our Air Force. What I do not support at all is your attempt to minimize the State and County's financial risk at our expense. If we lose Luke it is because of rather stupid government efforts and rulings, but you owe me support and allegiance as much as you owe Luke, if not more. I have not felt your warm and fuzzy support yet. Where is it?
great letter and to the point. I dont know how you would condense it.
Elliot Ness

Phoenix, AZ

#57 Jan 8, 2010
Should we be concerned about sound from the F 35'S. Well, the military sure is.

by Lois Walsh
Team Eglin Public Affairs

"4/15/2009 - EGLIN AIR FORCE BASE, Fla.-- The Joint Strike Fighter, F-35, is scheduled to arrive here at approximately 11:30 a.m. April 21 for its first visit to the Emerald Coast. Designated AA-1, the aircraft will spend a few days in the local area.
According to Kathleen Ferguson, Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Installations, Office of the Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Installations, Environment and Logistics, the sortie scheduled on April 22 will not fly over Valparaiso.

"Although not required by the ROD, the decision to not fly AA-1 over Val-P is consistent with our commitment to minimize noise over that community until we finish the supplemental analysis," Ms. Ferguson said."

Now I must ask, how can they force that plane on a community when they have real concerns about noise on the first flight?
Elliot Ness

Phoenix, AZ

#58 Jan 8, 2010
From nwfdailynews.com May 11, 2009

"Valparaiso resident Bob Webb, an audio professional, recorded the sounds of the F-35 fighter jets on April 22 and 23, then downloaded them onto his laptop. Afterward, he compared and contrasted the noise levels created by an F-15, F-16 and the controversial F-35, which were played during Monday evening's Valparaiso City Council meeting.
Residents cringed and plugged their ears as the sounds of the F-35 fighter jets screamed, the shrieks so piercing that they may as well have been flying directly overhead - instead of coming out of loudspeakers.
Webb spent more than 30 years working at Eglin Air Force Base in a variety of capacities, from installing audio equipment in aircraft to developing instruments."

The noise from the F-35 is going to be bad. Very bad. I feel for those who could have these jets flying directly over their homes.

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Since: Mar 07

Wittmann Arizona

#59 Jan 8, 2010
Elliot Ness wrote:
From nwfdailynews.com May 11, 2009
"Valparaiso resident Bob Webb, an audio professional, recorded the sounds of the F-35 fighter jets on April 22 and 23, then downloaded them onto his laptop. Afterward, he compared and contrasted the noise levels created by an F-15, F-16 and the controversial F-35, which were played during Monday evening's Valparaiso City Council meeting.
Residents cringed and plugged their ears as the sounds of the F-35 fighter jets screamed, the shrieks so piercing that they may as well have been flying directly overhead - instead of coming out of loudspeakers.
Webb spent more than 30 years working at Eglin Air Force Base in a variety of capacities, from installing audio equipment in aircraft to developing instruments."
The noise from the F-35 is going to be bad. Very bad. I feel for those who could have these jets flying directly over their homes.
ELLIOTT I went to the link and the source may have been replaced with more current info...however on http://www.wittmannnews.com there is a current video where there is a similar video where oddly the sound has been cut when the F35 went to 30,000 feet however the residence from Sun City, Sun City West and Surprise had similar responses when they listened and watched the video at a showing recently...the Air Forces and the City of Surprise said they did so because they were listening to it over a stereo sound system. It all depends on how loud you have your volume and what type of speakers you are listening to the recording with. But try to be as realistic as possible and remember when the real McCoy flys over it will be louder and much different. The decibiles being captured by microphone are different on the equipment you are listening back to it on, to get the real effect you would need comparable equipment. But it will give you an idea. Thanks.
Elliot Ness

Mesa, AZ

#60 Jan 8, 2010
Here is a link to Webbs report on his noise study at Eglin.

http://www.valp.org/...

This is a very comprehensive report in that it recognizes different engines in the F -35 will change the sound levels. I wonder when they bring one of these planes to Luke for a demonstration if it will have a smaller engine and thus, less noise.
Would the military do something like that?
J W Simms

Chandler, AZ

#62 Jan 11, 2010
Elliot Ness wrote:
Here is a link to Webbs report on his noise study at Eglin.
http://www.valp.org/...
This is a very comprehensive report in that it recognizes different engines in the F -35 will change the sound levels. I wonder when they bring one of these planes to Luke for a demonstration if it will have a smaller engine and thus, less noise.
Would the military do something like that?
Hell yes, when have you ever seen the military give a shit about civilian concerns? J.W. Simms.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#63 Jan 11, 2010
J W Simms wrote:
<quoted text>Hell yes, when have you ever seen the military give a shit about civilian concerns? J.W. Simms.
The strategy seems to be to embarrass them in public at meetings and demonstrations and such. They don't like being portrayed as arrogant and indifferent.
Triple D

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#65 Jan 18, 2010
I THINK I HAVE A SOLUTION! Why dont we take all of the folks that want to support Luke, Aux 1 etc. and have them put up enough money to buy the folks out that have had their property rights suspended and their property values lowered due to the governmental interference and actions. Alot of those folks says that you have to give up something for our freedom...right, so why dont they give up something...cash. Hey, I would be willing to give up my property and rights for the right price. I will move where the possibility of becoming deaf would be due to my racecar not an F35 at 500' above my house. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Olaf

Norfolk, VA

#66 Jan 19, 2010
So how do you people reading this feel about all that jet noise controversy surrounding Naval Auxillory Landing Field Fentress, Naval Air Station Oceana and the Regional Airport of Chesapeake, VA!? What would you all make of a possible Fort Pickett Outlying Landing Field for those Navy jets?

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#67 Jan 19, 2010
Olaf wrote:
So how do you people reading this feel about all that jet noise controversy surrounding Naval Auxillory Landing Field Fentress, Naval Air Station Oceana and the Regional Airport of Chesapeake, VA!? What would you all make of a possible Fort Pickett Outlying Landing Field for those Navy jets?
I don't know anything about it. This is strictly a local noise issue. In other areas you have to deal with such things as you see fit. Here we have the sprawling western suburbs of the sixth largest city in the country and there is some question about the desirability of increasing the noise level. It seems to many of us that this is a big state with a lot of government land so the air base could easily be moved to a less troublesome area if they insist on having the new planes there, otherwise there are air bases elswhere in relatively remote places that might like to have the new planes. Such places as Rapid City SD and Minot, ND might be good choices.
Elliott Ness

Glendale, AZ

#68 Jan 20, 2010
It is also about the reduction in our property values because of limits imposed upon us restricting our right to develop, improve, remodel or otherwise do things that other property owners have the right to do. Some of us have had restrictions put on us AFTER we were allowed to build our homes. I don't see why Luke AUX 1 is even an issue. How hard can it be to move it farther out away from the surrounding properties? They don't even land at Aux 1. Were talking about putting a line in the sand so to speak so pilots can practice approaches. What is so important that they need the current Aux 1 airstrip?

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