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#76273 Feb 9, 2013
Yellow Dawg Democrat wrote:
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I am so grateful that God provided us with:
1. the Internet
2. digital communications devices
3. digital photography
4. word processors
5. spell-check and grammar-check
6. automobiles
7. ice cream
8. a brain with which to enjoy all the above
(If you ever want to read some "kiss-up" declarations, just read the introduction to the KJV in which King James' scholars tell him how great he is!)
All things are a result of Free Will—that's what God gave everyone including you. Use it to abuse sarcasm and poor Christian insults. I admire good sarcasm—when will you provide some?

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#76274 Feb 9, 2013
Yellow Dawg Democrat wrote:
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Look, "Norton"! So you think that I do not have common sense. Fair enough!
I don't think that you have ANY sense!
And, yes -- I am sure that the fatcat healthcare industry will continue making profits, but hopefully not as much as the obscene profits they are making now. The "Affordable Care Act" forces the healthcare industry to provide a certain percentage of its receipts for healthcare benefits to its subscribers -- or REFUND a percentage!
From the IRS -- Medical Loss Ratio (MLR):
Beginning in 2011, insurance companies are required to spend a specified percentage of premium dollars on medical care and quality improvement activities, meeting a medical loss ratio (MLR) standard. Insurance companies that are not meeting the MLR standard will be required to provide rebates to their consumers beginning in 2012.
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Affordable-Care-Act-Ta...
They are already making obscene profits afforded them by the new ObamaCare. If you believe those prices will be reduced because the government is involved, you have never studied governance and its inherent lack of skills required for anything beyond the superficial. You are biased and naive—and those are your most endearing traits.

It reminds me of the plot by the Obamites to raise gasoline prices to equal those of Europe, so they could tax us into oblivion. The prices went up and never came down. The government is like a heroin addict—you give them more, and they will require more.

Anything that the government becomes involved in, they screw up. Take the Post Office as the best example. They are obsolete and will be out of business soon. Private enterprise will take over and do it better—unless the socialists like you take over and destroy private enterprise altogether.

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#76275 Feb 9, 2013
"I adhere to the maxim that 'He who is governed least, is governed best.' And when mankind is ready for it,'he who is governed not at all, is governed best'."

HDT

“this is a dark ride”

Since: Aug 10

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#76276 Feb 9, 2013
TripleNegative wrote:
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I have always loved this quotation, used by Thoreau when he was lambasted by someone incorrectly with the same old 'common sense' nonsense:
"There is absolutely no common sense; it is all common nonsense."
People use the 'common sense card' when their argument holds less water than an adult diaper.
I agree with your post—thanks for the response. It is good to find intellectual Christians who take the time to think and not react with their gut only.
And I appreciate your posts as well....your quote is most appropriate. NORTON probably has a true grasp on HIS interpretation of the Bible but he is so enamored by his self professed 'common sense' he is undaunted by obstacles such as facts. When he is contradicted he's perfectly comfortable in his oblivion.
NORTON judges my concepts of Christianity as evil and irreverant because I call his narrow-mindedness a handicap. I am inclined to believe God exists but I like to think He has enough self confidence to invite mortals to exercise free will by asking questions and looking for answers.
I've encouraged NO-NO-NORTON to investigate beyond the KJV Holy Bible. Missouri Baptist University has an extensive collection of texts not only about Christianity and the Bible; but also on Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, atheism, satanism, etc. Their philosophy is a better understanding of spiritual beliefs provides a broader worldview rather than blasphemy as construed by NORTON.
Norton

Shawnee, KS

#76277 Feb 9, 2013
Poos ur daddy wrote:
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And I appreciate your posts as well....your quote is most appropriate. NORTON probably has a true grasp on HIS interpretation of the Bible but he is so enamored by his self professed 'common sense' he is undaunted by obstacles such as facts. When he is contradicted he's perfectly comfortable in his oblivion.
NORTON judges my concepts of Christianity as evil and irreverant because I call his narrow-mindedness a handicap. I am inclined to believe God exists but I like to think He has enough self confidence to invite mortals to exercise free will by asking questions and looking for answers.
I've encouraged NO-NO-NORTON to investigate beyond the KJV Holy Bible. Missouri Baptist University has an extensive collection of texts not only about Christianity and the Bible; but also on Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, atheism, satanism, etc. Their philosophy is a better understanding of spiritual beliefs provides a broader worldview rather than blasphemy as construed by NORTON.
What are you....one of those New Agers? I could care less about those other religions. They are cults! The Holy Bible is all I need. The Bible says not to add to it or take away from it. You need to study some eschatoloty and find the real truth. We all have a free will. Adam and Eve had a free will. The disobeyed God and you see where that got them. That is how sin started. That is why we are all sinners. Jesus died for our sins..........AND all we have to do is believe that. How much more simple can that be? People try to make it so complicated. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the unforgiveable sin. I don't need a broader view........the truth is in the Bible. People have tried to destroy it but they will never get that done. I hope if Missouri Baptist Univ. has all those other text it is to prove they are all cults. We have a free will to go to heaven or hell. It's up to each individual.

CHEERS!
Norton

Shawnee, KS

#76278 Feb 9, 2013
Yellow Dawg Democrat wrote:
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BlueLetterBible has 18 versions of the Bible on its website. Plus there is the Douay-Rheims Catholic bible, plus the Holman Christian Standard Bible and the Book of Mormon.
And they are all identically the same and have no errors!_8-)
Is that what your "common sense" tells you, "Norton"?
My common sense tells me that you are completely, totally out of your mind.

CHEERS!
Norton

Shawnee, KS

#76279 Feb 9, 2013
Rapture Trouble wrote:
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"Look, "Norton"! So you think that I do not have common sense. Fair enough!
I don't think that you have ANY sense!"
hahahahahahahahaha
I agree with you about Norton
Dumb confused Dawg :)

CHEERS!
Norton

Shawnee, KS

#76280 Feb 9, 2013
Yellow Dawg Democrat wrote:
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I am sure that you never eat pork. And are circumcised. The Bible is very clear on these points.
Sure. So guess where my brains are.
I know where YOUR brains are ... you love God with all your HEART! ROFL!(Psssst, "Norton" -- the heart does not think -- it merely pumps blood.)
You're in the OT under the Law. We are not under the Law. We are under the period of Grace and I can eat anything I want.

I know your heart doesn't think nor does your brain.

CHEERS!
Gun Grabber Commies

Ozark, MO

#76281 Feb 9, 2013
Eric Holder: Obama Decides Who’s ‘Entitled’ to Second Amendment Rights

Attorney General Eric Holder, an Obama administration official implicated in the Fast & Furious gunrunning scandal, provided his views on gun control at Clark Atlanta University in Georgia. During the exchange, Holder discussed the president expanding the list of those who are not ‘entitled’ to the possession of handguns.

Yet, removing handguns from those deemed to be a threat by the government defeats the purpose of the Second Amendment. After a citizen has displayed threatening behavior towards himself or others, and after being given due process protections in a court of law, that person can be judged and incarcerated for his own protection and the protection of others.

~ A very poor example of a man let alone the head of the DOJ

http://minutemennews.com/2013/02/eric-holder-...

“this is a dark ride”

Since: Aug 10

Earth

#76282 Feb 9, 2013
Norton wrote:
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What are you....one of those New Agers? I could care less about those other religions. They are cults! The Holy Bible is all I need. The Bible says not to add to it or take away from it. You need to study some eschatoloty and find the real truth. We all have a free will. Adam and Eve had a free will. The disobeyed God and you see where that got them. That is how sin started. That is why we are all sinners. Jesus died for our sins..........AND all we have to do is believe that. How much more simple can that be? People try to make it so complicated. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the unforgiveable sin. I don't need a broader view........the truth is in the Bible. People have tried to destroy it but they will never get that done. I hope if Missouri Baptist Univ. has all those other text it is to prove they are all cults. We have a free will to go to heaven or hell. It's up to each individual.

CHEERS!
I admire your loyalty to God, I'm not trying to convince you to diminish that relationship. But I'm just a ol hillbilly from Missouri that grew up thinking more knowledge is a good thing - it's not destructive unless you have that trait in your personality.:

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#76283 Feb 9, 2013
Poos ur daddy wrote:
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I admire your loyalty to God, I'm not trying to convince you to diminish that relationship. But I'm just a ol hillbilly from Missouri that grew up thinking more knowledge is a good thing - it's not destructive unless you have that trait in your personality.:
First, you are hardly a hillbilly. They have distinct features such as three ears, a propensity for looking cross-eyed during thunder storms, and an inability to do higher mathematics without an adding machine.

Now let me set this straight—Norton puzzles me. He is correct with his assertion that you are not to 'add nor take away', yet he should tell that to those who added The Rapture.

Knowledge is a wonderful thing, and although Christ admonished those who ridiculed the 'simple and unlearned', once again followers oversimplified his teachings much like his quotation about "The Eye of the Needle". The Eye was a specific place in the walls of Jerusalem, where camels and animals of burden were forced to kneel to enter the city's gates, and crawl upon their knees. It was built that way to make it difficult for marauding cavalry to enter quickly.

Later, the scripture was changed into a literal interpretation, "It is easier for a rich man to go through the Eye Of The Needle, than for him to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." If you take it literally meaning a real needle, it becomes impossible. The gate is quite possible if you get on your knees.

How many people know this? Or better yet, how many people want to know the real meaning? It's far simpler to belittle rich people and keep them out of your heaven.

I could go into the discussion about 'Spending an eternity without God is comparable to burning in the fires of Gehenna forever.' Gehenna was a Roman dump for all sorts of refuge, where fires consuming trash, bodies, and various other things, burned 24 hours seven days per week. He did not state that people would burn forever if they refused to believe in his father. He was stating that 'it would be better to burn in the dump forever than to spend an eternity without God/his Father.'

The truth is, the truth is not very popular much of anywhere, it appears. Therefore knowledge is indeed important. Christ spoke rather often in parables because the times required it, and his audience was rather simple and unlearned. The best way to get any point across is with stories or analogies.

Now pay close attention here. I am about to take flak for that which I know to be true, to be considered blasphemy because other people have been taught incorrectly and poorly for so long, even the ridiculous has become factual.

Hell as a place does not exist. Heaven exists with the Father. To be without the father for eternity is comparable to burning forever in a fire. It's not the punishment, it's a comparison. Yet what could be worse than an eternity without God? Not fire and brimstone.

That's the difference between learning the facts and professing to have learned the facts. It's true, like it or not. I am not anti-God nor a blasphemer. I deal with facts, not suppositions such as The Rapture, or the eye of A needle as opposed to the Eye Of The Needle—a real place. <sigh>

Here it comes.

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#76284 Feb 9, 2013
Poos ur daddy wrote:
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And I appreciate your posts as well....your quote is most appropriate. NORTON probably has a true grasp on HIS interpretation of the Bible but he is so enamored by his self professed 'common sense' he is undaunted by obstacles such as facts. When he is contradicted he's perfectly comfortable in his oblivion.
NORTON judges my concepts of Christianity as evil and irreverant because I call his narrow-mindedness a handicap. I am inclined to believe God exists but I like to think He has enough self confidence to invite mortals to exercise free will by asking questions and looking for answers.
I've encouraged NO-NO-NORTON to investigate beyond the KJV Holy Bible. Missouri Baptist University has an extensive collection of texts not only about Christianity and the Bible; but also on Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, atheism, satanism, etc. Their philosophy is a better understanding of spiritual beliefs provides a broader worldview rather than blasphemy as construed by NORTON.
Absolutely! If God had wanted sheep, he would have made sheep. He made human beings, gave us Free Will, and then he chuckles while watching people such as Norton ruin every premise of Love, Compassion, and Faith with his antiquated version of Common Sense Does Jerusalem.

I have met many a Norton in my day, and they cannot be altered beyond the superficial. They learned everything they needed to know by the time they were 12, and will spend the remainder of their lives in turmoil and splendor—depending upon the prevailing headwinds of the time.

God made mankind in his image. He is brilliant. How many brilliant people want their children to grow up to be narrow-minded nincompoops? Yet I can live with the Nortons of the world if I keep my disatnce. Yet he and his ilk are the reason why so many youngsters no longer bother studying anything requiring faith except Bigfoot, Aliens, and Nostradamus quatrains.

Keep the faith, keep learning, and keep up the good fight. You are not far from the Kingdom of Heaven—as Christ said to Nicodemus, even when he was puzzled as to what was the meaning of the 'That which is spirit is spirit; that which is flesh is flesh' quotation.

Nicodemus, unlike his fellow Pharisees, was willing to try to understand Christ's teachings. So are you. Christ was no heathen nor a nincompoop. He was a theological scholar.

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#76285 Feb 9, 2013
*** distance

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#76286 Feb 9, 2013
***refuse, not refuge . . . I type too quickly, yet I know the difference, as do you.
bob

United States

#76287 Feb 9, 2013
All crooks

Since: Oct 12

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#76288 Feb 9, 2013
bob wrote:
All crooks
Politicians? Absolutely.

Yet, it's nothing that a dozen sharpened Guillotines could not remedy in a few days. They're a cancer upon this former Republic. They deserve it.

“On Nov. 4 -- NO Tea Party”

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#76290 Feb 10, 2013
TripleNegative wrote:
<quoted text>{To "Poos ur daddy":} I have always loved this quotation, used by Thoreau when he was lambasted by someone incorrectly with the same old 'common sense' nonsense:
"There is absolutely no common sense; it is all common nonsense."
People use the 'common sense card' when their argument holds less water than an adult diaper.
I agree with your post—thanks for the response. It is good to find intellectual Christians who take the time to think and not react with their gut only.
At least we agree about "Norton."
Norton

Kansas City, MO

#76291 Feb 10, 2013
TripleNegative wrote:
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First, you are hardly a hillbilly. They have distinct features such as three ears, a propensity for looking cross-eyed during thunder storms, and an inability to do higher mathematics without an adding machine.
Now let me set this straight—Norton puzzles me. He is correct with his assertion that you are not to 'add nor take away', yet he should tell that to those who added The Rapture.
Knowledge is a wonderful thing, and although Christ admonished those who ridiculed the 'simple and unlearned', once again followers oversimplified his teachings much like his quotation about "The Eye of the Needle". The Eye was a specific place in the walls of Jerusalem, where camels and animals of burden were forced to kneel to enter the city's gates, and crawl upon their knees. It was built that way to make it difficult for marauding cavalry to enter quickly.
Later, the scripture was changed into a literal interpretation, "It is easier for a rich man to go through the Eye Of The Needle, than for him to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." If you take it literally meaning a real needle, it becomes impossible. The gate is quite possible if you get on your knees.
How many people know this? Or better yet, how many people want to know the real meaning? It's far simpler to belittle rich people and keep them out of your heaven.
I could go into the discussion about 'Spending an eternity without God is comparable to burning in the fires of Gehenna forever.' Gehenna was a Roman dump for all sorts of refuge, where fires consuming trash, bodies, and various other things, burned 24 hours seven days per week. He did not state that people would burn forever if they refused to believe in his father. He was stating that 'it would be better to burn in the dump forever than to spend an eternity without God/his Father.'
The truth is, the truth is not very popular much of anywhere, it appears. Therefore knowledge is indeed important. Christ spoke rather often in parables because the times required it, and his audience was rather simple and unlearned. The best way to get any point across is with stories or analogies.
Now pay close attention here. I am about to take flak for that which I know to be true, to be considered blasphemy because other people have been taught incorrectly and poorly for so long, even the ridiculous has become factual.
Hell as a place does not exist. Heaven exists with the Father. To be without the father for eternity is comparable to burning forever in a fire. It's not the punishment, it's a comparison. Yet what could be worse than an eternity without God? Not fire and brimstone.
That's the difference between learning the facts and professing to have learned the facts. It's true, like it or not. I am not anti-God nor a blasphemer. I deal with facts, not suppositions such as The Rapture, or the eye of A needle as opposed to the Eye Of The Needle—a real place. <sigh>
Here it comes.
:) Yep, here it comes! Where do you get that the rapture is not in the Bible? It is......only is says "catching away" or "caught up", etc. I don't know what Bible you study but my Bible says there will be a Rapture and I believe it. "The eye of the needle".........to me means that it will not be easy to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The reason being that people will find it difficult to believe and have the faith. The Bible speaks of Hell more times than Heaven! Humm, wonder why? Remember Lazarus? Why would there be a heaven and not a hell? Makes no sense!

You correct that "people have been taught incorrectly and poorly".
I don't make any statements that cannot be proven scripturely. Am I perfect, no! Do I know everything, no! However, I believe the Bible to be the Word of God. I believe every word to be true. So, when you say there is not a Rapture or a Hell...you are taking away from the word of God because the Bible says there is a Heaven, a Hell and there is going to be a Rapture. I rest my case.

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#76292 Feb 10, 2013
TripleNegative wrote:
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All things are a result of Free Will—that's what God gave everyone including you. Use it to abuse sarcasm and poor Christian insults. I admire good sarcasm—when will you provide some?
Perhaps when you are able to use standard ASCII characters -- especially in your dictionary quotes and your headline:

Contentious — Pretentious

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#76293 Feb 10, 2013
TripleNegative wrote:
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All things are a result of Free Will— that's what God gave everyone including you. Use it to abuse sarcasm and poor Christian insults. I admire good sarcasm—when will you provide some?
All things are a result of "Free Will"? Really?

The sun? The moon? Came from "Free Will"? ROFL! Duh!

Here's my take on God's "Free Will": Kiss my azz or burn in Hell!

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