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Namer

Saint Albans, WV

#1 Jun 26, 2009
I wonder if the Mason's will still feel enlightened when Obama has his way and the climate bill passes tonight. There won't be many people to shop on the square when this legislation passes and shuts down Lion Oil.
outofajob09

United States

#2 Jun 26, 2009
Eldorado Will Be a Ghost Town, I sure hope we all survive these 4 years of hell. No JOBS MORE CRIME
pod

Tyler, TX

#3 Jun 26, 2009
The fat lady has sung...it's all over. Had high hopes that things would turn out better, but now I guess I better get out while I can.
Namer

Saint Albans, WV

#4 Jun 26, 2009
It passed! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/26/ho...

If it passes in the Senate Lion Oil and this town are done. Thank the people that voted Democrat/Obama...
myohmy

Tyler, TX

#5 Jun 26, 2009
I may not have a job, places to shop, or a house with any value...but at least I'll have cleaner water and air around here.
Just an opinion

Pflugerville, TX

#6 Jun 27, 2009
This is very scary!! Our population in El Dorado has been dwindling down for years. The chamber and city counsel do not realize that we must have our share of blue collar jobs in order for El Dorado to survive.

I did not vote for Obama, but once in office I vowed to pray for him that God would lead him and our country. I just can't believe we are moving in a socialist direction nor can I believe that it is God's will. This clean air bill will hurt and affect many homes and families in the USA. Government is trying to control and dictate to our automotive industry, healthcare, and now energy production. The clean air bill could have been modified, perhaps a happy medium could have been reached.
Skeptic

Pflugerville, TX

#7 Jun 27, 2009
Just remember who voted for all these bills come 2010 elections. Right now, call the Senators and express your feelings.

This can be killed but it will take a LARGE showing of disapproval from the voters. Wouldn't hurt for the Mayor and city council to publicly (do a newstimes article) condemn the bill and everyone who voted for it.

OR just do nothing. Watch your electicity bill triple and EVERYTHING go up in cost as the increase cost to do business gets passed on to consumers.

All this crap about global warming. NASA released a study last month that concluded the temperature fluctuations on earth were due to the sun and nothing done by man. I can remember when the scientists were proclaiming the start of a new ice age.
Namer

Saint Albans, WV

#8 Jun 27, 2009
I don't know yet...but if Mike Ross voted for this bill I will donate and do whatever I can to get anyone who runs against him elected.
changeisok

Tyler, TX

#9 Jun 27, 2009
I'm not one of these tree hugging hippies, but we need to find other ways to power this country. Drill, baby, drill, may be a fine for a while but if the oil goes dry, then what? We will be sitting in a town with no refinery open and no jobs and a city with rampant crime. This town and it's citizens should be doing all it can to land one of those new green companies here. If the Obama administration is correct and this legislation creates new green projects, companies and jobs - then we should be fighting hard to get one here. The people who run this town are not proactive enough to ride the crest of any wave of progress. Instead, they sit back, think of the way it was in the 50's and 60's and don't welcome change.

Here is a couple of ideas to make us look good and land new business:

Find a way to reconnect the Kansas City Southern railway (the east/west rail corridor through North Louisiana) This railway virtually runs right beside Interstate 20 from Atlanta to Dallas. The railways in El Dorado once went south through Junction City, Bernice to Ruston and connected in Ruston to the Kansas City Southern line. The tracks have been torn up from Lillie south to Ruston. If we can get government money to four lane 167 from Little Rock to Alexandria, LA then surely there is a way to get Arkansas and Louisiana on board to rebuild the railroad. A railroad that could connect to two major lines Kansas City southern and Union Pacific (the line that parallels I-30) could lure new business to the area. Since it is cheaper and less fuel used for businesses to ship freight by train instead of by truck - this makes sense.

Another idea is the possible development of a new industrial park between the airport and the I-69 corridor. If you get that rail line out there, then you could have the perfect set up in the next 20 years. It could be a transportation trifecta.

Instead of moaning a complaining about the possible passage of this bill. Let's figure out a way, if it passes, to make it work for the citizens of South Arkansas.
Namer

Saint Albans, WV

#10 Jun 27, 2009
In Spain, who by the way has this cap and trade program 2.2 jobs have been lost for every one green job created. Unemployment of 18.6% in their new system. We have one nuclear plant in Arkansas already why not build more of them. The problem with the party in power is they want to tax the existing system out of existence while limiting which alternatives we can use. Nuclear is cleaner than coal or gas. More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than our nuclear power plant. The oil that could be produced just in our country and off shore could power us for well over 100 years...
BTW I am not convinced it will pass...if it does we are done. Rail is one of the most expensive forms of shipping, maybe more green than truck, but the spurs are non-exsistent...won't happen, it's a step back.
Skeptic

Pflugerville, TX

#11 Jun 27, 2009
changeisok wrote:
I'm not one of these tree hugging hippies, but we need to find other ways to power this country. Drill, baby, drill, may be a fine for a while but if the oil goes dry, then what? We will be sitting in a town with no refinery open and no jobs and a city with rampant crime. This town and it's citizens should be doing all it can to land one of those new green companies here. If the Obama administration is correct and this legislation creates new green projects, companies and jobs - then we should be fighting hard to get one here. The people who run this town are not proactive enough to ride the crest of any wave of progress. Instead, they sit back, think of the way it was in the 50's and 60's and don't welcome change.
Here is a couple of ideas to make us look good and land new business:
Find a way to reconnect the Kansas City Southern railway (the east/west rail corridor through North Louisiana) This railway virtually runs right beside Interstate 20 from Atlanta to Dallas. The railways in El Dorado once went south through Junction City, Bernice to Ruston and connected in Ruston to the Kansas City Southern line. The tracks have been torn up from Lillie south to Ruston. If we can get government money to four lane 167 from Little Rock to Alexandria, LA then surely there is a way to get Arkansas and Louisiana on board to rebuild the railroad. A railroad that could connect to two major lines Kansas City southern and Union Pacific (the line that parallels I-30) could lure new business to the area. Since it is cheaper and less fuel used for businesses to ship freight by train instead of by truck - this makes sense.
Another idea is the possible development of a new industrial park between the airport and the I-69 corridor. If you get that rail line out there, then you could have the perfect set up in the next 20 years. It could be a transportation trifecta.
Instead of moaning a complaining about the possible passage of this bill. Let's figure out a way, if it passes, to make it work for the citizens of South Arkansas.
I69 won't be built any time soon. Not a penny for it right now even with all the wasted pork projects.

"Green jobs" is nice sounding but what does that mean?

"We, the people" don't have a clue what was in the bill. I was watching the vote, the House did not have a certified copy of the bill on the house floor. The 300 page amendment added at 3AM had not been seen. The representatives voted along party lines instead of for what was "good" for the country (yes, I know this is business as usual).

With all the other stuff recently passes and waiting to be enacted I think the Congress needs to slow down and READ the bills and UNDERSTAND what is being passed into law.
Namer

Saint Albans, WV

#12 Jun 27, 2009
Green jobs=ethanol...which in not effective. Has anyone noticed the increase in food prices since the ethanol craze? We are putting food in our gas tanks while people starve. Transering fields from soy or other items to ethanol production has effects on beef and poultry as well as other agricultural items. Corn is a source of feed...this stuff is all bad...
Hammer of the Gods

Pflugerville, TX

#13 Jun 27, 2009
changeisok wrote:
I'm not one of these tree hugging hippies, but we need to find other ways to power this country. Drill, baby, drill, may be a fine for a while but if the oil goes dry, then what? We will be sitting in a town with no refinery open and no jobs and a city with rampant crime.....
Just in continental North America we have plenty of oil. If all off shore areas were open to drilling we could be SELLING oil to the Saudis. Not to mention oil shale and oil sands. Enough fossil fuels for centuries.

I am old enough to remember the new ice age articles (popular science had at least 2 issues). This global warming crap is just "scare science" dreamed up by the "don't kill that fly, Mr. President" crowd.

Raising the cost of electricity will strangle all sectors of the economy. Everything that can be done to CHEAPEN the cost of electricity should be looked at. Imagine your bill reduced by half....Now imagine it tripling...Congress just voted for the tripling. Why?

Don't buy into the climate change aspect of this bill. Call or email Lincoln and Pryor and let your feelings be known.
Watcher

Pflugerville, TX

#14 Jun 27, 2009
changeisok wrote:
I'm not one of these tree hugging hippies, but we need to find other ways to power this country. Drill, baby, drill, may be a fine for a while but if the oil goes dry, then what? We will be sitting in a town with no refinery open and no jobs and a city with rampant crime. This town and it's citizens should be doing all it can to land one of those new green companies here. If the Obama administration is correct and this legislation creates new green projects, companies and jobs - then we should be fighting hard to get one here. The people who run this town are not proactive enough to ride the crest of any wave of progress. Instead, they sit back, think of the way it was in the 50's and 60's and don't welcome change.
Here is a couple of ideas to make us look good and land new business:
Find a way to reconnect the Kansas City Southern railway (the east/west rail corridor through North Louisiana) This railway virtually runs right beside Interstate 20 from Atlanta to Dallas. The railways in El Dorado once went south through Junction City, Bernice to Ruston and connected in Ruston to the Kansas City Southern line. The tracks have been torn up from Lillie south to Ruston. If we can get government money to four lane 167 from Little Rock to Alexandria, LA then surely there is a way to get Arkansas and Louisiana on board to rebuild the railroad. A railroad that could connect to two major lines Kansas City southern and Union Pacific (the line that parallels I-30) could lure new business to the area. Since it is cheaper and less fuel used for businesses to ship freight by train instead of by truck - this makes sense.
Another idea is the possible development of a new industrial park between the airport and the I-69 corridor. If you get that rail line out there, then you could have the perfect set up in the next 20 years. It could be a transportation trifecta.
Instead of moaning a complaining about the possible passage of this bill. Let's figure out a way, if it passes, to make it work for the citizens of South Arkansas.
It's so nice to have people putting ideas out for our area. It sadly seems that most people just want to "do as we've always done". This world is not going to allow this anymore and I personally would like to leave clean air and water for my children. People act like this is not a real problem that we are facing that it's just another "Will Smith" movie line. We have to wake up and be ACTIVE in the future we'd like to have. I think some new blood in politics on the local level is a must. You seem to care ?...
Good people need to stand up and take control and just "get her done!"
changeisok

Tyler, TX

#15 Jun 27, 2009
Namer wrote:
In Spain, who by the way has this cap and trade program 2.2 jobs have been lost for every one green job created. Unemployment of 18.6% in their new system. We have one nuclear plant in Arkansas already why not build more of them. The problem with the party in power is they want to tax the existing system out of existence while limiting which alternatives we can use. Nuclear is cleaner than coal or gas. More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than our nuclear power plant. The oil that could be produced just in our country and off shore could power us for well over 100 years...
BTW I am not convinced it will pass...if it does we are done. Rail is one of the most expensive forms of shipping, maybe more green than truck, but the spurs are non-exsistent...won't happen, it's a step back.
Well, the United States also has about 28 million more people living below the poverty line than they do in Spain. So, The point of my post is for us to try to find ways to get a green company/jobs here IF THE BILL PASSES. It will be much worse than the loss of 2.2 jobs for every one job created if we do nothing. It will be the loss of all the employees of Lion Oil and no other company for them to turn to. Let's say 400 people are employed there ( I have no idea how many people are employed) it will be 400 jobs lost for zero new ones created in this town. I am not worried about the rest of the United States. Each area has there own problems and also there own strengths. For example, places along bodies of water have ports where they can generate business and trade. We don't have that luxury. So, we need to focus on what we can do! I am trying to spur people to think positively and come up with ideas to get new business here if we go green in this country and Lion Oil becomes no more. Just saying "pack it up, we're done" is probably the attitude that has kept more business from locating in our area.
Namer

Saint Albans, WV

#16 Jun 27, 2009
changeisok wrote:
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Well, the United States also has about 28 million more people living below the poverty line than they do in Spain. So, The point of my post is for us to try to find ways to get a green company/jobs here IF THE BILL PASSES. It will be much worse than the loss of 2.2 jobs for every one job created if we do nothing. It will be the loss of all the employees of Lion Oil and no other company for them to turn to. Let's say 400 people are employed there ( I have no idea how many people are employed) it will be 400 jobs lost for zero new ones created in this town. I am not worried about the rest of the United States. Each area has there own problems and also there own strengths. For example, places along bodies of water have ports where they can generate business and trade. We don't have that luxury. So, we need to focus on what we can do! I am trying to spur people to think positively and come up with ideas to get new business here if we go green in this country and Lion Oil becomes no more. Just saying "pack it up, we're done" is probably the attitude that has kept more business from locating in our area.
OK nothing wrong with that...with all the crap we breathe in now...why not a nuclear power plant....LOTS of jobs..good pay!
Bustos

United States

#17 Jun 27, 2009
Would yall be interested in taking them prisoners from Guantanamo Bay?
Ragin Cajun

Pflugerville, TX

#18 Jun 29, 2009
It is estimated that this will add $0.88 cents per gallon of petroleum distillates (gasoline, diesel, kerosene, etc.) to the cost to produce them. This cost will be passed onto YOU, dear consumer. That off-grid house I'm planning is looking better and better every day.
downtowner

El Dorado, AR

#19 Jun 29, 2009
Mike Ross did vote AGAINST the Cap and Tax bill.

http://ross.house.gov/index.cfm...
Hammer of the Gods

Pflugerville, TX

#20 Jun 29, 2009
Government estimates are ALWAYS fubar. Medicare/medicade wers supposed to LOWER health care costs and be self sufficient (payroll taxes)programs. AMTRAC was supposed to show a PROFIT.

Please do your OWN research. Too many scientists are coming out of the woodwork saying The current global warming theories are wrong.

Too many big shots (GE, Al Gore. Pelosi) are already lined up to make BILLIONS off this cap and trade nonsense. The BILLIONS will come from you and me.

But, this just proves if you tell a lie enough it will eventually be accepted as the truth.

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