to Gorbachev

Grand Prairie, TX

#143 Apr 1, 2013
Oh well wrote:
<quoted text>
common sense,2 of a kind would be perfect, we have 4 untill last friday, I believe by the end of the year we will have 2.......... 2 of a kind.........2 chinese......2 mexican ect, ect, ect.
2 feed stores would be perfect, by the end of the year that's all we will have, just watch.
2 office supplies,
2 hardware stores,
ect,ect,ect,
Eldo cannot handle anymore retail than 2 of a kind..........I would go with the 2 of kind rule, sweet and simple.
This sounds like the most socialist economic idea ever. Thank God for Capitalism. Idiots like this dumbass will never be elected for anything.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#144 Apr 1, 2013
to Gorbachev wrote:
<quoted text>
This sounds like the most socialist economic idea ever. Thank God for Capitalism. Idiots like this dumbass will never be elected for anything.
You can get into trouble overestimating the common sense of voters.
oh well

El Dorado, AR

#145 Apr 1, 2013
Nope wrote:
<quoted text>
We have more than two burger joints. Chicken places. BBQ. Catfish. Mexican. Clothing. Shoes. Pizza. Sandwiches. Farm and ranch. Groceries.
Common sense should have told you that you're not an economist.
right, and because of that fact they are nearly all struggling to there heads above water, so your cure would be to add even more competition for them, NUTS!
Nope

El Dorado, AR

#146 Apr 2, 2013
oh well wrote:
<quoted text>
right, and because of that fact they are nearly all struggling to there heads above water, so your cure would be to add even more competition for them, NUTS!
My cure is to let the market take care of itself. If a business shows up wanting to open in el dorado, we help them do that. Competition is a good thing, because it forces companies to be better and offer more to consumers.

PS - exactly how do you know that they are nearly all struggling to stay above water? Have you personally talked with each of them?
actually

Dallas, TX

#147 Apr 2, 2013
oh well wrote:
<quoted text>
right, and because of that fact they are nearly all struggling to there heads above water, so your cure would be to add even more competition for them, NUTS!
So McDonald's, Wendy's, Arbys, Sonic, Burger King, Minute Man... All been struggling to keep their heads above water for over 30 years? You are an idiot and regulating industry to create barriers to entry like you're wanting is illegal. That's why the free market always will take care of itself. If established businesses want to remain, they must have fair prices, quality customer service, and stay ahead of the curve of new business innovations and cost-cutting. It's not all about how many people walk through their door month over month. If you had any form of business ackground, you'd know this. That's why you only worked retail for 35 years.
Oh well

El Dorado, AR

#148 Apr 2, 2013
actually wrote:
<quoted text>
So McDonald's, Wendy's, Arbys, Sonic, Burger King, Minute Man... All been struggling to keep their heads above water for over 30 years? You are an idiot and regulating industry to create barriers to entry like you're wanting is illegal. That's why the free market always will take care of itself. If established businesses want to remain, they must have fair prices, quality customer service, and stay ahead of the curve of new business innovations and cost-cutting. It's not all about how many people walk through their door month over month. If you had any form of business ackground, you'd know this. That's why you only worked retail for 35 years.
Funny how all but one named is a national chain that has the muscle to bully independents, I see you failed to mention, New century.
Nope

Irving, TX

#149 Apr 2, 2013
Oh well wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny how all but one named is a national chain that has the muscle to bully independents, I see you failed to mention, New century.
Again, you haven't given a single example of how your plan would work.
Oh well

El Dorado, AR

#150 Apr 2, 2013
Nope wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, you haven't given a single example of how your plan would work.
one thing for sure, with as many casualties as we have had in this town in the past 5 years, there needs to be a plan.
Twerk It

El Dorado, AR

#151 Apr 2, 2013
Oh well wrote:
<quoted text>
one thing for sure, with as many casualties as we have had in this town in the past 5 years, there needs to be a plan.
I agree with your overall viewpoint. Most retail businesses that aren't part of a major corporation tend to struggle. And the number of business that are up for two years then close down is far too high. Its a serious problem in our town. However, we have had several corporate business fail in the past. Like El Chico and CiCis pizza, both in that cursed building in the shopping center next to Taco Bell. I say cursed, but my guess is that the owner of that building is a total imbecile who asks far too much money for rental. Anyway, what I don't agree with is your view that there should be some kind of regulations when it comes to businesses. I believe that if such a thing were to exist, the Unions would be the ones doing the regulating, not the COC or anyone else. Unions (while I agree with the premise they were built on, to insure safe working conditions, etc.) have come to do far more damage than good for your average business. Putting such power in the hands of the inept would be an even bigger mess than what we have now. You're talking about a localized but highly socialized plan of business, the absolute antithesis of the free market principles that built our nation, and our town, in the first place. It is a movement away from these principles that has caused the problems we're seeing in our town and in many others across the nation; problems that include a strange and unexplainable hatred for industry, ridiculous regulations, pressure of rules being maintained by individuals who have never been involved in the business world, town officials that promote retail and party venues rather than industry, etc. But this is all my opinion, I could be wrong. I would like to say though that I agree with things being said by you as well as the other guy you have been debating with.

Its nice to see two obviously intelligent people debating on two opposite sides of the spectrum, both making good points and bad. Nobody is right 100% of the time. I hope you two can keep it clean and not reduce your intelligent minds to name-calling or juvenile comments. This is for what Topix was intended.
Bichon

El Dorado, AR

#152 Apr 2, 2013
Twerk It wrote:
<quoted text> I agree with your overall viewpoint. Most retail businesses that aren't part of a major corporation tend to struggle. And the number of business that are up for two years then close down is far too high. Its a serious problem in our town. However, we have had several corporate business fail in the past. Like El Chico and CiCis pizza, both in that cursed building in the shopping center next to Taco Bell. I say cursed, but my guess is that the owner of that building is a total imbecile who asks far too much money for rental. Anyway, what I don't agree with is your view that there should be some kind of regulations when it comes to businesses. I believe that if such a thing were to exist, the Unions would be the ones doing the regulating, not the COC or anyone else. Unions (while I agree with the premise they were built on, to insure safe working conditions, etc.) have come to do far more damage than good for your average business. Putting such power in the hands of the inept would be an even bigger mess than what we have now. You're talking about a localized but highly socialized plan of business, the absolute antithesis of the free market principles that built our nation, and our town, in the first place. It is a movement away from these principles that has caused the problems we're seeing in our town and in many others across the nation; problems that include a strange and unexplainable hatred for industry, ridiculous regulations, pressure of rules being maintained by individuals who have never been involved in the business world, town officials that promote retail and party venues rather than industry, etc. But this is all my opinion, I could be wrong. I would like to say though that I agree with things being said by you as well as the other guy you have been debating with.
Its nice to see two obviously intelligent people debating on two opposite sides of the spectrum, both making good points and bad. Nobody is right 100% of the time. I hope you two can keep it clean and not reduce your intelligent minds to name-calling or juvenile comments. This is for what Topix was intended.
One of them did resort to name calling. Its an unfortunate product of modern politics. The democrats in particular, but republicans as well, have taught us that if you have different views, you are enemies. No more friendly rivalries or opposing viewpoints. If you disagree with me then you are an idiot and my nemesis! Lol!
oh well

El Dorado, AR

#153 Apr 2, 2013
Twerk It wrote:
<quoted text> I agree with your overall viewpoint. Most retail businesses that aren't part of a major corporation tend to struggle. And the number of business that are up for two years then close down is far too high. Its a serious problem in our town. However, we have had several corporate business fail in the past. Like El Chico and CiCis pizza, both in that cursed building in the shopping center next to Taco Bell. I say cursed, but my guess is that the owner of that building is a total imbecile who asks far too much money for rental. Anyway, what I don't agree with is your view that there should be some kind of regulations when it comes to businesses. be the ones doing the regulating, not the COC or anyone else. Unions (while I agree with the premise they were built on, to insure safe working conditions, etc.) have come to do far more damage than good for your average business. Putting such power in the hands of the inept would be an even bigger mess than what we have now. You're talking about a localized but highly socialized plan of business, the absolute antithesis of the free market principles that built our nation, and our town, in the first place. It is a movement away from these principles that has caused the problems we're seeing in our town and in many others across the nation; problems that include a strange and unexplainable hatred for industry, ridiculous regulations, pressure of rules being maintained by individuals who have never been involved in the business world, town officials that promote retail and party venues rather than industry, etc. But this is all my opinion, I could be wrong. I would like to say though that I agree with things being said by you as well as the other guy you have been debating with.
Its nice to see two obviously intelligent people debating on two opposite sides of the spectrum, both making good points and bad. Nobody is right 100% of the time. I hope you two can keep it clean and not reduce your intelligent minds to name-calling or juvenile comments. This is for what Topix was intended.
As for as really believing that the city would or could regulate who and what retail business showed up on the door steps wanting to set up shop here in our town I realise the cannot tirn these folks away and many of my comments I have posted were Facetious ,
But with that said I do have a problem with them (city/county) actually heavily recuiting retail that seriously challenges the future and finacial well being of a established hard working independent retailer, a prime example is the (Atwood-Eppinette)saga, this was a travisty, even with Eppinette's in the middle of expansion and a obvious committment to a long term investment, the city is busting there butts to bring in a much larger competitor that would obviously could be very devastating to this family, this was uncalled for by city / county officials that could very well show up at the polls during the next election, many folks are upset about this, I unstand there is a Eppinette hater or two, but believe this , that family is very popular in this town.
another real problem i SEE FOR RETAILERS IN TOWN THAT THE CITY COULD EASILY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IS THESE TRAVELING GYPSIES that show up on street corners peddling there cheap imported products, another travisty, why ? for a few measley bucks for a permit ? againg another slap in the touch to our local retailers that pay high price rent, hogh price utilities , ect, then everytime you look up here comes the traveling band of gypsies with there blingy puses, clothes, shoes, license plates, pillow, toys, youi name it, while our store owners suffer, this does not go on in benton, fayetteville, rogers, this could and should be stopped, just like the puppy peddling was stopped on the dtreets, diffrence is we stopped the puppy peddling for the sake of animals but we can't stop anything for the sake of human beings ? I just see to much about that that's not right.
oh well

El Dorado, AR

#154 Apr 2, 2013
As for as really believing that the city would or could regulate who and what retail business showed up on the door steps wanting to set up shop here in our town I realise the cannot tirn these folks away and many of my comments I have posted were Facetious ,

But with that said I do have a problem with them (city/county) actually heavily recuiting retail that seriously challenges the future and finacial well being of a established hard working independent retailer, a prime example is the (Atwood-Eppinette)saga, this was a travisty, even with Eppinette's in the middle of expansion and a obvious committment to a long term investment, the city is busting there butts to bring in a much larger competitor that would obviously could be very devastating to this family, this was uncalled for by city / county officials that could very well show up at the polls during the next election, many folks are upset about this, I unstand there is a Eppinette hater or two, but believe this , that family is very popular in this town.

another real problem i SEE FOR RETAILERS IN TOWN THAT THE CITY COULD EASILY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IS THESE TRAVELING GYPSIES that show up on street corners peddling there cheap imported products, another travisty, why ? for a few measley bucks for a permit ? againg another slap in the touch to our local retailers that pay high price rent, hogh price utilities , ect, then everytime you look up here comes the traveling band of gypsies with there blingy puses, clothes, shoes, license plates, pillow, toys, youi name it, while our store owners suffer, this does not go on in benton, fayetteville, rogers, this could and should be stopped, just like the puppy peddling was stopped on the dtreets, diffrence is we stopped the puppy peddling for the sake of animals but we can't stop anything for the sake of human beings ? I just see to much about that that's not right.
oh well

El Dorado, AR

#155 Apr 2, 2013
sorry for the typos, ment to say........

another real problem i SEE FOR RETAILERS IN TOWN THAT THE CITY COULD EASILY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IS THESE TRAVELING GYPSIES that show up on street corners peddling there cheap imported products, another travisty, why ? for a few measley bucks for a permit ? just another slap in the face to our local retailers that pay high price rent, high price utilities , ect, then everytime you look up here comes the traveling band of gypsies with there blingy purses, clothes, shoes, license plates, pillow, toys, you name it, while our store owners suffer, this does not go on in benton, fayetteville, rogers, this could and should be stopped, just like the puppy peddling was stopped on the streets, difference is we stopped the puppy peddling for the sake of animals but we can't stop anything for the sake of human beings ? I just see to much about that that's not right.
actually

United States

#156 Apr 3, 2013
Oh well wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny how all but one named is a national chain that has the muscle to bully independents, I see you failed to mention, New century.
Those were hamburger joints, dumbass. When's the last te you bought a cheeseburger at New Century. Someone that's was savvy in retail would've been able to catch that.
Jackie

Arlington, TX

#157 Apr 3, 2013
oh well wrote:
As for as really believing that the city would or could regulate who and what retail business showed up on the door steps wanting to set up shop here in our town I realise the cannot tirn these folks away and many of my comments I have posted were Facetious ,
But with that said I do have a problem with them (city/county) actually heavily recuiting retail that seriously challenges the future and finacial well being of a established hard working independent retailer, a prime example is the (Atwood-Eppinette)saga, this was a travisty, even with Eppinette's in the middle of expansion and a obvious committment to a long term investment, the city is busting there butts to bring in a much larger competitor that would obviously could be very devastating to this family, this was uncalled for by city / county officials that could very well show up at the polls during the next election, many folks are upset about this, I unstand there is a Eppinette hater or two, but believe this , that family is very popular in this town.
another real problem i SEE FOR RETAILERS IN TOWN THAT THE CITY COULD EASILY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IS THESE TRAVELING GYPSIES that show up on street corners peddling there cheap imported products, another travisty, why ? for a few measley bucks for a permit ? againg another slap in the touch to our local retailers that pay high price rent, hogh price utilities , ect, then everytime you look up here comes the traveling band of gypsies with there blingy puses, clothes, shoes, license plates, pillow, toys, youi name it, while our store owners suffer, this does not go on in benton, fayetteville, rogers, this could and should be stopped, just like the puppy peddling was stopped on the dtreets, diffrence is we stopped the puppy peddling for the sake of animals but we can't stop anything for the sake of human beings ? I just see to much about that that's not right.
I agree with you about the traveling peddlers. They don't do anyone a bit of good. Unfortunately the mayor seems to like them.

As for atwoods, I still don't see what the city did wrong. They didn't give them any money. Just helped them find a location because atwoods expressed interest in coming here. Same thing I would expect them to do for any company who was interested in el dorado.
Oh well

El Dorado, AR

#158 Apr 3, 2013
Jackie wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you about the traveling peddlers. They don't do anyone a bit of good. Unfortunately the mayor seems to like them.
As for atwoods, I still don't see what the city did wrong. They didn't give them any money. Just helped them find a location because atwoods expressed interest in coming here. Same thing I would expect them to do for any company who was interested in el dorado.
You can try and down play it all you want to, everyone seen the big front page paper where the mayor and the county judge along with chamber officials were bragging and hi fiveing each other about finally bagging atwoods after (in there words) over 2 years of persuading, and yes I do know that atwoods is paying a token payment for that building, it is called giving one a competitive edge over another(special treatment), that's how big companies operate.
well

Chicago, IL

#159 Apr 3, 2013
Life is not fair. Sometimes you guess wrong.
Jackie

El Dorado, AR

#160 Apr 3, 2013
Oh well wrote:
<quoted text>
You can try and down play it all you want to, everyone seen the big front page paper where the mayor and the county judge along with chamber officials were bragging and hi fiveing each other about finally bagging atwoods after (in there words) over 2 years of persuading, and yes I do know that atwoods is paying a token payment for that building, it is called giving one a competitive edge over another(special treatment), that's how big companies operate.
Dude. The building is owned by a private individual, and Atwoods is leasing it from them. The City has nothing to do with it.
actually

United States

#161 Apr 3, 2013
Oh well wrote:
<quoted text>
You can try and down play it all you want to, everyone seen the big front page paper where the mayor and the county judge along with chamber officials were bragging and hi fiveing each other about finally bagging atwoods after (in there words) over 2 years of persuading, and yes I do know that atwoods is paying a token payment for that building, it is called giving one a competitive edge over another(special treatment), that's how big companies operate.
Actually, the was no "bragging" or "hi fiveing" going on. It was appreciation to a business interested in moving her after (their actual words) "over 2 years of negotiations, such as getting the old building up to code," etc. That is not persuading; that is a municipal requirement. Any negotiation was made between the building owner and Atwoods. The city, county, and chamber provided minimal support, but they are supposed to support any business (legally) that is looking to locate to El Dorado. THAT IS THEIR JOB!
Katrina

El Dorado, AR

#162 Apr 3, 2013
This is off subject, but when Hurricane Katrina happened in... 05 right?... There were literally hundreds of businesses looking to move location. Most were warehouses, industry, etc. Our city officials were very much aware of this, yet did absolu tell nothing to try and capitalize on the MASSIVE opportunity. Every single one of those businesses went to different towns that were willing to make proper business deals. One ex. was in another AR town, where the land for the business was practically given away, and over a thousand jobs were created there because of it. That is just one of the many examples. Our city officials literally screwed this town over because they refused to conduct business in an appropriate manner. They are quick to promote retail, and like other people have called our venues, "party spots", but when it comes to real industry, they do the opposite. They actually try to keep industry out! I used to think that because the town is run by democrats, that they hate industry and have no business sense at all, but then I was informed that it is the city republicans doing nothing as well. I'm very blessed to have a good job here and enjoy the town, but I can see in many ways why so many people are frustrated with it. If I were an average joe looking for good work I would be pissed too.

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