More than 1,000 dead birds fall from sky in Ark

[Raptor in Michigan]

WARRIOR wrote:

<quoted text>Obama thinks he owns US!

Newsflash: He does!

[Raptor in Michigan]

Churmudgeon wrote:

Unless I miss my guess Ill bet those folks in greece have no hesitation about killing some bird or anything else that has meat on it bones and eating it!

Doesn't sound like it if they're fighting over the rations from the farm truck.

[Raptor in Michigan]

Guest wrote:

<quoted text> When I was a girl, many, many years ago, I would see bees and butterflies all the time but not now. Why do you think that is?

Failing eyesight?

[Raptor in Michigan]

Guest wrote:

<quoted text> When I was a girl, many, many years ago, I would see bees and butterflies all the time but not now. Why do you think that is?

In all seriousness...
There could be two things at play here.
1. You aren't actively out looking for these things. They are still around and you just don't see them.
OR
2. They indeed are disappearing. Many population declines are caused by man either dirctly or indirectly. These are a few of the the main causes of declining wildlife:
1. habitat destruction
2. non-native species
3. pesticides/chemicals

Both bees and caterpillars (future butterflies) are hit hard by pesticides.

Maybe genetically altered seeds have an effect?

Maybe Africanized bees have some negative imapct on honey bees?

Weeds (wildflowers) are mowed down before the butterflies emerge from their Chrysalis?

A combination of all of the above?

It's hard to say, but good question.

http://www.buzzaboutbees.net/missing-bees.htm...

If it's any consolation, on my recent trip to Arkansas, the field at the campground I stayed at was LOADED with Common Buckeyes, many of which were mating. It was a sight to see...really!

[Raptor in Michigan]

Guest wrote:

<quoted text> When I was a girl, many, many years ago, I would see bees and butterflies all the time but not now. Why do you think that is?

On another note, I know a woman, now in her nineties, that was a bird watcher her whole life. She told me that when she was a young lady, there were so many more birds than there are now. The two examples she used were Indigo Buntings and Blackburnian Warblers.

She would spend the summers in Michigan's Upper Peninsula back then. Indigo Buntings were so abundant that on any given day, one could look outside at the food thrown on the ground and there was an easy 50 or 60 buntings hopping around picking up scraps. Now you are lucky to see 3 or 4 buntings at the same time.

During spring migration when the warblers were passing through this area, one could easily find 15 Blackburnian Warblers in one tree on a good day of birding. Now we are VERY LUCKY if we see 15 during the whole month of May when they pass through this area.

[Raptor in Michigan]

Guest wrote:

<quoted text>Excellent advice.
Glen Beck predicted this would happen and the unrest that will spread to the US. He urged people to store food and prepare and people laughed at him.
I have heeded his advice and urge others to do the same. We can't depend on government to save us. Look at the Sandy victims.

I agree. That is good advice. Not only for now but for all times. I believe in always being prepared for anything! That's why I've taken steps to have my vehicle in good working order and have enough extra money and gas to get down to Churms place when the need arises. LOL.

[Churmudgeon]

Guest wrote:

<quoted text>Excellent advice.
Glen Beck predicted this would happen and the unrest that will spread to the US. He urged people to store food and prepare and people laughed at him.
I have heeded his advice and urge others to do the same. We can't depend on government to save us. Look at the Sandy victims.

Its a cut & paste I ran across. I thought it might be helpful. Im of the opinion that having Know How and being self reliant is more importiant than having a bunch of hoarded goods. Those folks you see on TV seem to take things to the extreme. Ive filled as many 100 pound LP bottles as I could. LP last forever it dont go stale like gas & diesel. I think three months worth of food would be sufficient. Cashe your goods in small amounts at several different hiding places. Ill not kill another human just to protect some material goods or food. It wouldnt hurt much to prepare for a event that never happens. but it would be a disaster if something happened any you wherent prepared.

[Churmudgeon]

Raptor in Michigan wrote:

<quoted text>
I agree. That is good advice. Not only for now but for all times. I believe in always being prepared for anything! That's why I've taken steps to have my vehicle in good working order and have enough extra money and gas to get down to Churms place when the need arises. LOL.

you cant get to my place from anywhere else. private road behind locked gate. you could go to the national forest around snowball or hasty or camp on the Buffalo ect.

[Churmudgeon]

Raptor in Michigan wrote:

<quoted text>
In all seriousness...
There could be two things at play here.
1. You aren't actively out looking for these things. They are still around and you just don't see them.
OR
2. They indeed are disappearing. Many population declines are caused by man either dirctly or indirectly. These are a few of the the main causes of declining wildlife:
1. habitat destruction
2. non-native species
3. pesticides/chemicals
Both bees and caterpillars (future butterflies) are hit hard by pesticides.
Maybe genetically altered seeds have an effect?
Maybe Africanized bees have some negative imapct on honey bees?
Weeds (wildflowers) are mowed down before the butterflies emerge from their Chrysalis?
A combination of all of the above?
It's hard to say, but good question.
http://www.buzzaboutbees.net/missing-bees.htm...
If it's any consolation, on my recent trip to Arkansas, the field at the campground I stayed at was LOADED with Common Buckeyes, many of which were mating. It was a sight to see...really!

I used to keep bees.I had lots of hives from captured wild bees. Mine where mostly three banded Italian and a few german bees. Honey bees are not native to the americas. The honey bees where killed by the Aavorra Mite. Some tame honey bees like the africanized bees are resistant to the aavorra mite.

[Churmudgeon]

Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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That sounds very one-sided to me. Instead of jumping on the "idiots" for doing something so stupid, please become informed of the whole situation before making a decision either way. Have you ever seen a Lesser Prairie Chicken? I didn't think so. If you know nothing about it and never even seen one, how can you make an informed decision?(BTW, Most people don't care about protecting something they have never seen or don't even know exists.) Go find a LPC and watch it for awhile. Then tell me you don't want to protect it. I think you'd find there could be middle ground.
Jobs? What does protecting a bird from extinction have to do with people losing jobs?
Maybe the protection itself could create jobs?

What? Maybe the protection itself could create jobs? Sounds like a liberal commie socialist agenda opinion! Any job created would be parasite work in that it would require tax money and produce nothing that adds to the GNP. And it could very easily cost producing jobs in the timber industry.

[Raptor in Michigan]

Churmudgeon wrote:

<quoted text> you cant get to my place from anywhere else. private road behind locked gate. you could go to the national forest around snowball or hasty or camp on the Buffalo ect.

The private road will be fine, thanks. Just leave the gate unlocked.

[Raptor in Michigan]

Churmudgeon wrote:

<quoted text> Its a cut & paste I ran across. I thought it might be helpful. Im of the opinion that having Know How and being self reliant is more importiant than having a bunch of hoarded goods. Those folks you see on TV seem to take things to the extreme. Ive filled as many 100 pound LP bottles as I could. LP last forever it dont go stale like gas & diesel. I think three months worth of food would be sufficient. Cashe your goods in small amounts at several different hiding places. Ill not kill another human just to protect some material goods or food. It wouldnt hurt much to prepare for a event that never happens. but it would be a disaster if something happened any you wherent prepared.

You may not kill them over your food or goods, but they would damn well not think twice about killing you for them.

[Raptor in Michigan]

Churmudgeon wrote:

<quoted text> Its a cut & paste I ran across. I thought it might be helpful. Im of the opinion that having Know How and being self reliant is more importiant than having a bunch of hoarded goods. Those folks you see on TV seem to take things to the extreme. Ive filled as many 100 pound LP bottles as I could. LP last forever it dont go stale like gas & diesel. I think three months worth of food would be sufficient. Cashe your goods in small amounts at several different hiding places. Ill not kill another human just to protect some material goods or food. It wouldnt hurt much to prepare for a event that never happens. but it would be a disaster if something happened any you wherent prepared.

What if you must leave your home? Can you use LP gas in your car or truck?

[Raptor in Michigan]

Churmudgeon wrote:

<quoted text> I used to keep bees.I had lots of hives from captured wild bees. Mine where mostly three banded Italian and a few german bees. Honey bees are not native to the americas. The honey bees where killed by the Aavorra Mite. Some tame honey bees like the africanized bees are resistant to the aavorra mite.

Thanks for the info. I didn't know honey bees weren't native.

[Raptor in Michigan]

Churmudgeon wrote:

<quoted text> What? Maybe the protection itself could create jobs? Sounds like a liberal commie socialist agenda opinion! Any job created would be parasite work in that it would require tax money and produce nothing that adds to the GNP. And it could very easily cost producing jobs in the timber industry.

No liberal commie agenda at all! It's just a common sense solution to a problem.

In the Texas Hill Country, there are two endangered birds; the Black-capped Vireo and the Golden-cheeked Warbler. They are a huge attraction to bird watchers all over the world. Just the fact that people go there specifically to see those two species brings in tons of cash to that region of Texas each year.

It creates jobs too. Campgrounds are full, motels, bed and breakfasts, grocery stores, gift shops and restaurants see more business. Auto and RV mechanics are needed. Ranchers make money by charging fees to see wildlife on their property. check this out:
http://www.king-ranch.com/nature_tours.html

More state park people and naturalists are hired, etc. We have even needed to visit health clinics and veterinarians while on the road. Most are private sector jobs with the locals making the profits.

Tourism, including bird and wildlife watching tourism, creates jobs and brings in revenue!

http://www.fs.fed.us/outdoors/naturewatch/sta...

Protection of the Lesser Prairie Chicken should have no impact on timber. It does not live in the forest. Timbering will continue.

http://ecos.fws.gov/speciesProfile/profile/sp...

A win-win for the humans and the birds.

[WARRIOR]

Raptor in Michigan wrote:

<quoted text>
Newsflash: He does!

Not me, I am FREE!

[WARRIOR]

Raptor in Michigan wrote:

<quoted text>
On another note, I know a woman, now in her nineties, that was a bird watcher her whole life. She told me that when she was a young lady, there were so many more birds than there are now. The two examples she used were Indigo Buntings and Blackburnian Warblers.
She would spend the summers in Michigan's Upper Peninsula back then. Indigo Buntings were so abundant that on any given day, one could look outside at the food thrown on the ground and there was an easy 50 or 60 buntings hopping around picking up scraps. Now you are lucky to see 3 or 4 buntings at the same time.
During spring migration when the warblers were passing through this area, one could easily find 15 Blackburnian Warblers in one tree on a good day of birding. Now we are VERY LUCKY if we see 15 during the whole month of May when they pass through this area.

There used to be a lot of Dinasours roaming earth also!

[WARRIOR]

Raptor in Michigan wrote:

<quoted text>
No liberal commie agenda at all! It's just a common sense solution to a problem.
In the Texas Hill Country, there are two endangered birds; the Black-capped Vireo and the Golden-cheeked Warbler. They are a huge attraction to bird watchers all over the world. Just the fact that people go there specifically to see those two species brings in tons of cash to that region of Texas each year.
It creates jobs too. Campgrounds are full, motels, bed and breakfasts, grocery stores, gift shops and restaurants see more business. Auto and RV mechanics are needed. Ranchers make money by charging fees to see wildlife on their property. check this out:
http://www.king-ranch.com/nature_tours.html
More state park people and naturalists are hired, etc. We have even needed to visit health clinics and veterinarians while on the road. Most are private sector jobs with the locals making the profits.
Tourism, including bird and wildlife watching tourism, creates jobs and brings in revenue!
http://www.fs.fed.us/outdoors/naturewatch/sta...
Protection of the Lesser Prairie Chicken should have no impact on timber. It does not live in the forest. Timbering will continue.
http://ecos.fws.gov/speciesProfile/profile/sp...
A win-win for the humans and the birds.

It's not the impact on the forest people are worried about. That chicken needs to be eaten!

[Pee stain mattress]

No one gives a big flying f*ck!!! Shut the f*ck up about the God Damn birds!

[Raptor in Michigan]

WARRIOR wrote:

<quoted text>There used to be a lot of Dinasours roaming earth also!

There is nothing we can do about natural cataclysmic events that happened in the past. There IS something we can do about our own actions. Would you be happy to see the last Blackburnian Warbler drop dead? It would probably would be irrelevent to you....because you have never seen one alive and in the wild. I have. That changes my whole perspective. You need to get out more.