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#22955 Mar 2, 2013
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>Call the State Police and voice your concerns. There is always more than one way to skin a coyote!
I have a large herd of goats at one farm and I have 2 dogs that stay with them 24 /7/365 . I don't have much of a predator problem .
Although there are coyote packs all around the farm and they love to howl at night.
I shot one last year but he didn't look to well,( hung him on the fence for all the world to see)I have the farm fully fenced with woven wire and that slows down dogs.
The Neighbors dog got into the goats last year but these goats are big and they have horns,then the dogs got him cornered and tore him up some. The Neighbor was angry since it was his kids prize pup.
I told him that he was lucky that I saved his dog and not let my dogs finish him. Around here you need to try to get along with everyone.
My biggest predator problems are people stealing animals especially young goats.
I had 7 stolen last year and a large fat castrated male taken the year before during Christmas.
This was Reported to the local sheriff but they never do anything , I know it is my very rich next door neighbor who I have caught stealing anything that isn't nailed down.
We had a very hot discussion about it this fall and I haven't had any losses since.
I moved to the area about 10 years ago and I am still not well accepted because I wasn't from a 2nd or 3rd generation family.
Things are changing with more new folks moving here,but the county is politically controlled by just a few families.
guest

United States

#22956 Mar 2, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
What could be less costly than taking them back to Mexico? Oh, that's right, they couldn't vote Democrat if they were in Mexico. If that happened, the country might become the world economic superpower again and undo all the liberals have achieved over the past 5 years. Liberals just can't let that happen so they will blame it on the sequester. Another blatant lie if I ever heard one but I guess if no one calls them on it then no one cares.
Don't be so sure they're not already bringing in votes from Mexico. There are a lot of ways to manipulate absentee and early voting. Don't you remember Michelle Obama calling early voting the democrats "Secret Weapon?" Also remember, liberals have been in power longer than five years. It took them much longer to run the country into the ground the way they have.
Buck

Bexar, AR

#22958 Mar 2, 2013
better answers wrote:
<quoted text> I have a large herd of goats at one farm and I have 2 dogs that stay with them 24 /7/365 . I don't have much of a predator problem .
Although there are coyote packs all around the farm and they love to howl at night.
I shot one last year but he didn't look to well,( hung him on the fence for all the world to see)I have the farm fully fenced with woven wire and that slows down dogs.
The Neighbors dog got into the goats last year but these goats are big and they have horns,then the dogs got him cornered and tore him up some. The Neighbor was angry since it was his kids prize pup.
I told him that he was lucky that I saved his dog and not let my dogs finish him. Around here you need to try to get along with everyone.
My biggest predator problems are people stealing animals especially young goats.
I had 7 stolen last year and a large fat castrated male taken the year before during Christmas.
This was Reported to the local sheriff but they never do anything , I know it is my very rich next door neighbor who I have caught stealing anything that isn't nailed down.
We had a very hot discussion about it this fall and I haven't had any losses since.
I moved to the area about 10 years ago and I am still not well accepted because I wasn't from a 2nd or 3rd generation family.
Things are changing with more new folks moving here,but the county is politically controlled by just a few families.
If you were to call that "large fat castrated male" goat a 'Wether' you would be politically correct.

Its simple-Talk and act like you are from there, not where you came from. It it will do wonders for that acceptance problem.


curmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#22959 Mar 2, 2013


Neighbors Outraged After Man Kills Loose Dog Destroying His Livestock
August 29, 2010 at 5:16 pm by Morbid

FINLEY, Wash.– Here’s a story that has people pretty divided. News reports with headlines such as “Pastor slashes puppy’s throat” and “Pastor Admits To Killing Neighbor’s Puppy” have gotten animal dog lovers pretty riled up. The “puppy” in question was a 6-month old Siberian Husky. The dog had gotten loose, made its way on to Pastor David Rea’s property and was in the process of killing his chickens. When none of his neighbors would step in and help stop his livestock from being slaughtered, he jumped into the fray and killed the dog, reportedly with a knife.“Until you’re in there fighting a dog, you don’t know what to do,” said Rea, pastor of Tri-Cities Baptist Church.“You can’t even imagine. It’s a horribly bad deal.” This act has pissed off some neighbors and readers who are condemning what the man did to protect his property. I just know that had he killed a wolf, or cougar, or an alligator, these pissed off people would be praising the pastor’s actions. But because this dog was a pet all of a sudden the rules change? Instead of the nine chickens that got chewed to bits, what if it had been fluffy bunnies, kittens or puppies? What if it had been attacking a child? Do you think we would still be hearing the outcry?

This isn’t the first neighbor who has lost a dog to Rea. Earlier this year Rea shot and killed a black Labrador owned by Bob and JoAnn Fortman. Rea, who says he has a problem with strays, shot the dog as it was running on his property. What he was not aware of was that Bob Fortman was 100 feet behind the dog. Again, the similarity between this killing and the more recent one isn’t just Rea. It’s also the fact that in both cases the dogs were not leashed and were on his property.“He claims to be a man of God,” JoAnn Fortman said,“but I don’t understand that. Men of God don’t do cruel things like that.” The owner of the dead Husky echoed the same sentiments. I found those comments kinda funny…considering that the God she is referring to drowned an entire planet, killed Egypt’s first-born children and destroyed two entire cities. Hell, she’s lucky the pastor didn’t use his teeth to chew the dog’s balls off, wear its entrails like a belt while mounting the dog’s head on the grill of his vehicle. Here’s a news report featuring the owner of the dead dog and a revelation that Rea may have killed a third dog on his property a couple years ago.


Prevent it from happening again? By what, ordering Rea not to kill a dog on his property killing his animals? How about preventing it by making sure your dogs aren’t roaming the neighborhood. Anyway, I am sure I’m in the minority with my opinion on this story, but I said it in our forums and I will say it again. This sounds a lot less like a man hell-bent on killing dogs as it does a bunch of neighbors who have issues keeping their dogs on a leash. It would seem like if you don’t want your dog killed by the owner of the livestock it’s slaughtering, you’d make sure it cannot get loose.(*dons flame retardant suit*)

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curmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#22960 Mar 2, 2013
Buck wrote:
<quoted text>
I would say you are lying, if not the people who own the place you described is going to be pissed off.
Electric fence, black belly sheep, rotated pasture with goats, yeah I would say you are lying.
Of couse I was lying. Do you suppose Dumber than dirt went back & forth driving the lenght of HWY 56 looking for my place? Im shure Ive never killed any of dumber than dirts dogs. I live a considerable distance from oxford ar. My place isnt visible from any public roads. I went to the goat auction today left my billy goat there and told them to mail me the check. It was very cold so I didnt stay very long.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#22961 Mar 2, 2013
Churmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> You state I have a mind to go in there and find & remove all of the traps? You claim to support the US counstition and bill of rights? Yet you would like to tresspass and infringe on someones elses legal activity by stealing their property just becuse you happen to have a different opinion. That Is the real test Would you stand up for someone elses counstitional right to protect their property even though you do not agree with their actions. Its impossible to just shoot offending animals. Those marauding dogs hear you before you see them. If your old like me unless their standing dead still you cant hit them with a rifle. They need to be within 12 guage shotgun range. and you gotta be their when they are present. A trap is present 24 X 7. your wrong there are very good reasons to use the traps. They work very effectively thats the best reason there is. your statement (dogs do not know its someone else property) is a lame excuse. The problem is too many folks place the value of there dogs life above the lives of the other animals they kill. those other animals are the lively hood and very costly investment of others. We need state wide leash laws. And require all dogs be tattoed for identifacation. That way the owners of killer dogs can be identified and made to pay for the damage they do. We already require all dogs be rabies vaccinated the vet could do the tatto or chip implant at the very first vaccination. your exmple of a confined dog accidently getting loose has a big flaw. the dogs that do damage arent the escaped pet. they are the free roaming dogs that form a marauding pack.
Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's right. Private property doesn't give someone the right to inflict cruelty on an animal.

I agree that the dog owners should pay for any damage done by their dogs. Can't go along with chips though. It's like gun registration. Dogs that are chipped make it easier for government to confiscate them.
curmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#22962 Mar 2, 2013
better answers wrote:
<quoted text> I have a large herd of goats at one farm and I have 2 dogs that stay with them 24 /7/365 . I don't have much of a predator problem .
Although there are coyote packs all around the farm and they love to howl at night.
I shot one last year but he didn't look to well,( hung him on the fence for all the world to see)I have the farm fully fenced with woven wire and that slows down dogs.
The Neighbors dog got into the goats last year but these goats are big and they have horns,then the dogs got him cornered and tore him up some. The Neighbor was angry since it was his kids prize pup.
I told him that he was lucky that I saved his dog and not let my dogs finish him. Around here you need to try to get along with everyone.
My biggest predator problems are people stealing animals especially young goats.
I had 7 stolen last year and a large fat castrated male taken the year before during Christmas.
This was Reported to the local sheriff but they never do anything , I know it is my very rich next door neighbor who I have caught stealing anything that isn't nailed down.
We had a very hot discussion about it this fall and I haven't had any losses since.
I moved to the area about 10 years ago and I am still not well accepted because I wasn't from a 2nd or 3rd generation family.
Things are changing with more new folks moving here,but the county is politically controlled by just a few families.
Your narrative sounds almost too good to be true. I know a wool sheep farmer he had two of those big white sheep dogs that where supposed to protect his sheep. One was always loose walking along the Highway. eventually they became buddies with another free roaming black lab. then all three became sheep killers. so he just shot them all. He told me they ate a lot of dog food. that it cost more to feed them than they where worth anyhow. He got a male donkey and for fun it beat up on and tried to rape his sheep. So he finally gave up and sold the sheep. Now the part about not being accepted thats a gospel fact. Where I reside these folks have been here ever since they recieved land grants for fighting in the war of 1812. And they have intermarried ever since. The jokes about them being inbred are the actual truth. They have been inbreeding for almost 200 years.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#22963 Mar 2, 2013
Churmudgeon wrote:
Dogs Running at Large
Most statutes do not allow a farmer to shoot dogs that are merely running loose (at large). A North Dakota rancher, who shot a neighbor's greyhound after it ran through his cattle herd without particularly disturbing the cattle, was not protected by the state statute, which allows killing a dog only if it is "worrying" livestock. The rancher had to pay $300 to the dog's owner.(Trautman v. Day, 273 N.W.2d 712 (N.D. 1979).
Some states, however, allow farmers to shoot any dog that is, in the words of the Indiana statute, "roaming over the country unattended." Under this statute, an appeals court upheld the right of a farmer to shoot dogs he said were trying to get into his chicken pen in the middle of the night.(Puckett v. Miller, 381 N.E.2d 1087 (Ind. App. 1978).) The dogs, two coonhounds, had been hunting with their owner but got separated from him in a heavy rainstorm about 2 a.m.(For the uninitiated, raccoon hunting is done at night.) Under the relatively severe Indiana law, it made no difference that the dogs were bothering the chickens; their hours were numbered as soon as they got away from their master.
If you lose a dog to a trigger-happy farmer, in most instances, there is absolutely no way to prove that it wasn't doing what the farmer or rancher who shot it says it was doing. The only other witness is likely to be the dog, and it isn't talking. So the lesson is simple: If you live in a rural area or close to one, NEVER let your dog run loose off your property. Farmers may shoot first and ask questions later, if at all.---- I really got a kick out of the statement (If you lose a dog to atrigger happy farmer , in most instances the only other witness is the dog and he isnt talking? Like if fido recovered they cold get him on the stand to testify!
It says you may "shoot" the dog. It says NOTHING about setting deadly traps.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#22964 Mar 2, 2013
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>I stock up on fish antibiotics. They are cheap, you don't need a prescription and they are the same thing you get from the doctors!
It was a rough night and morning. I finally got enough energy to sit at the computer. It's been a long time since my throat hurt this bad.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#22965 Mar 2, 2013
obeythedamnedlaworelse wrote:
trespassing is illegal and immoral
ALL trespassers should be shot and any survivors prosecuted.
People shouldn't have to post their property. You filthy scumbags know you are on somebody else's property and you know you don't have any damned right to be there.
STAY THE HELL OFF MY LAND OR PAY THE PRICE
I was on my property up north one time. I saw a man approaching me on his ATV. We both asked each other what we were doing there. I introduced myself as the property owner. He introduced himself as a neighbor. I only get there a few times a year. He didn't know I wasn't a trespasser, but he had been keeping trespassers in check. He saw me drive in and came to see who I was. I had no problem with that.
Reality Check

Camden, AR

#22966 Mar 2, 2013
We now have some in the left wing media realizing that they have been played and are now in the process of being discarded. Obama of late has started limiting access to the media to various forums and they aren't happy about it. The reality is that the White House has it's own media machine that controls the message that is sent out even better than the left wing media that sometimes makes the White House look bad when their message isn't as complimentary as Obama would like it to be. Now the left wing media is getting all up in arms about the first amendment and the freedom of press in America. Where was the media when our second amendment rights were and still are being trampled? The media helped the machine get going and now the Obama machine is throwing them under the bus because they have played out their usefullness. Did the media actually think that Obama wanted the same left wing America as them? His radical agenda is now moving even farther left than theirs and the media has now become an obsticle that needs to be removed. Thanks media for not being fair in your coverage and feeding the socialistic/communistic machine that is the Obama Administration
Reality Check

Camden, AR

#22967 Mar 2, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>Don't be so sure they're not already bringing in votes from Mexico. There are a lot of ways to manipulate absentee and early voting. Don't you remember Michelle Obama calling early voting the democrats "Secret Weapon?" Also remember, liberals have been in power longer than five years. It took them much longer to run the country into the ground the way they have.
I wouldn't doubt anything you have said. As I have said before, there is no depth the liberal left won't stoop to in order to stay in power.
Hmmm

Little Rock, AR

#22969 Mar 2, 2013
Wiser than DKN and Barney wrote:
<quoted text>

Hey Ms. Ignorant!

Since you obviously don't understand anything, I was talking about our leaders standing up and having a backbone and stopping Obama's spending sprees, plus it's time Americans stand and tell lawmakers to inform Obama to stop destroying our country. Yes I think it's time Americans grew a backbone and quit cowering down to Obama, he's not our king, just the President.
There, I cleaned up your post a bit.
Hmmm

Little Rock, AR

#22970 Mar 2, 2013
Wiser than DKN and Barney wrote:
<quoted text>Keep in mind if obama keeps ticking the media off and refusing them assest to his meetings, they will become pitbulls acting like bloodhounds digging up every piece of dirt on obama.
Kickest-Assest?
curmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#22971 Mar 2, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's right. Private property doesn't give someone the right to inflict cruelty on an animal.
I agree that the dog owners should pay for any damage done by their dogs. Can't go along with chips though. It's like gun registration. Dogs that are chipped make it easier for government to confiscate them.
What is legal is spelled out in our written laws. What is right varies with the opinion of individuals Ill take the legal written laws anythime over someones biased opinion. In your biased opinion you had a mind to break the law tresspass and steal the Property (traps) of another just because in your opinion you are right. I think the damage and killing done by predators is cruel. their are many dogs implanted with chips at the vet clinic already. only one dog that I caught had a collar and rabies tag and still no owners name ot identification. How are you gonna prove ownership. When faced with paying for damage that can up into the thousands the owners wlll deny that its their dog. They will clain its a stray that just wandered up. an they where feeding it to be kind. Thats why no rabies vaccination or collar not my dog! That is the excuse.
curmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#22972 Mar 2, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
It says you may "shoot" the dog. It says NOTHING about setting deadly traps.
That was a cut and paste of another states law. As far as traps the Arkansas game & fish does set season dates limits & regulations regarding the trapping of Furbearers & wild game ect. The Ark game & fish has no regulations or authority regarding the trapping or shooting of free roaming dogs ,cats , feral hogs or any other domestic animals. And the arkansas statutes are silent as to what methods are legal & illegal. With the exception that poison baits are prohibited. The arkansas law states dogs that are ABOUT TOO may be legally destroyed by the Livestock owner & his agents. And I think poison baits sometimes are permitted for blackbird control?
curmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#22973 Mar 2, 2013
Wiser than DKN and Barney wrote:
<quoted text>Keep in mind if obama keeps ticking the media off and refusing them assest to his meetings, they will become pitbulls acting like bloodhounds digging up every piece of dirt on obama.
Its termed good press or bad press. Bill Clinton and so far Obama have gotten what is called good press from the media. All of the news outlets are biased toward their perfered cantidate political party or agenda. Most of the news is half truths or downright lies. I never watch the news or read the newspapers. I get my half truths from TOPIX! Like homer Simpson stated Facts? Facts? People all the time use Facts to prove all kinds of things that are only half true.
Hmmm

Little Rock, AR

#22977 Mar 2, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
She would fall into the category of American's that hate the way things are going in America yet vote and support the very things that are causing our demise because she has bought into the lies of Obama and his administration. Things are getting worse for them as it is for all Americans. I just don't know how bad things will have to get before she and others like her see the light. I'm not even sure that things could get bad enough for them to see the truth.
Well she's actually a he, Red Neckerson at times. Excluding you of course, many of these yokels find it somewhat a put down to degrade an opposing view by referring to that posters comments as that of a woman. Since my grandmother, and all those fine women comprising my maternal ancestry were women, additionally, my wife and daughter. I take that as a compliment.

This widespread juvenile and sexist attitude alone gives me reason enough to never support a Party that comprises many who consider a women less than equal.

BTW, my family supported Mrs. Clinton.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#22978 Mar 2, 2013
curmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> What is legal is spelled out in our written laws. What is right varies with the opinion of individuals Ill take the legal written laws anythime over someones biased opinion. In your biased opinion you had a mind to break the law tresspass and steal the Property (traps) of another just because in your opinion you are right. I think the damage and killing done by predators is cruel. their are many dogs implanted with chips at the vet clinic already. only one dog that I caught had a collar and rabies tag and still no owners name ot identification. How are you gonna prove ownership. When faced with paying for damage that can up into the thousands the owners wlll deny that its their dog. They will clain its a stray that just wandered up. an they where feeding it to be kind. Thats why no rabies vaccination or collar not my dog! That is the excuse.
"only one dog that I caught had a collar and rabies tag and still no owners name ot identification."
The rabies tag can identify the owner.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#22979 Mar 2, 2013
Wiser than DKN and Barney wrote:
<quoted text>Wheither it's good press or bad press the media in the last 4 years have not done their job. They let obama have a pass on everything because they are so in love with him, he can do no wrong. They won't dig up the dirt, if they did, obama would not be president right now.
The media has been lying to us, bringing us half-truths and hiding things from us for FAR more than just four years!

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