Red Bluff City Council votes to oppose pot prop

Full story: Red Bluff Daily News

Despite questions of whether it is appropriate for the Red Bluff City Council to take a stand on a state proposition that will be decided by voters, the council has decided to oppose Proposition 19.
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Pat Johnston

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Sep 23, 2010
 
Lady wrote:
So they had a meeting saying they dont like this Proposition and dont support it.
So if it passes what are they going to do? Thats what I am wondering? They didnt say. I dont really see their is anything they can do from a legal standpoint.
Half of the things this officer claimed would happen is purely projection. He doesnt know that Workman compensation will increase or that under the influence driving will increase.
If you want to educate yourself, you dont go to a meeting where people say things that have no proof behind them. Just because some guy said it, doesnt mean its reality. I think thats something the council should realize. Pick up a book sometime or check it out on the internet from a reliable website. Research it yourself. I dont see why they needed to have this forum for "education" they dont have a meeting about all the other propositions coming up to educate the public...
Smoke and mirrors and low quality at that.
...and it cost the city money it does not have!
Its Stupid

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Sep 23, 2010
 
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Considering the ENTIRE USA will not be legalizing marijuana for recreational use, this point you are trying to make seems a little far reaching.
An entire country isnt going to legalize marijuana so they can export to California, the lone marijuana state. We dont need their brick weed, we grow green up here. Just so you know.
Yes based on all of your "illuminating" comments, it is fairly clear that we grow green up here, however, anywhere a profit can be made people are going to try to do it, so it is a pretty valid point that Mexico might step up it's import of weed to take advantage of California's liberal stance on drug use, even if you are growing your own.
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#25
Sep 23, 2010
 
Thank you! No loss! Much gained!

-Report: Illegal drug use up sharply last year
By SAM HANANEL, Associated Press Writer
Thursday, September 16, 2010

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi...
Lady

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Sep 23, 2010
 
Its Stupid wrote:
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Yes based on all of your "illuminating" comments, it is fairly clear that we grow green up here, however, anywhere a profit can be made people are going to try to do it, so it is a pretty valid point that Mexico might step up it's import of weed to take advantage of California's liberal stance on drug use, even if you are growing your own.
The beauty is you will not have to grow your own. You can legally buy from somebody else or a store. The point I was making is that it will not be very profitable to Mexico to export (import is what we in California would be doing on the recieving end)to Californians because of our own agricultural sustainability. Mexicans come to Cali to grow weed, we do not go down there. People buy from illegal cartels because they have little access to purchase elsewhere. If they could head down to 7/11 do you really think they are going to purchase a sack from Jose SoandSo with the creepy van? I dont. Not to mention, if you dont think American Tobacco companies wont jump on this the moment they can cultivate and sell I believe you will be sadly mistaken.

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Country of Tehama nuff said.
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#28
Sep 23, 2010
 
just wondering about the reality that 75% of the students at r/b high are smokin the herb on a regular bassis, many sons and daughters,nieces and nephews, and grand cghildren who are kin to the very ones that so adamatly oppose the herb.Be a good example,and do the right thing,god said it is very good for mankind in your bible,perhaps just go with that.
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Paul Lee wrote:
This article should have been in the "editorial section" since it clearly was not written from an unbiased point of view.
Is the Red Bluff Daily News owned by Fox News?
I wholeheartedly agree with you. The statements by retired El Cerrito Police Chief Scott Kirkland, who has served on the California Police Chiefs Association's medical marijuana dispensary task force, were clearly biased and presented without rebuttal.

The real news here is how naive our elected official must be to believe such sanctimounious and self serving misinformation from someone that benefits from the drug war.

For instance: "If passed, the measure would create a myriad of problems for law enforcement and employers, Kirkland said." This sounds like a personal problem as he completely ignores the myriad of problems now suffered by the citizery under existing law.

"The state would lose billions of support dollars from the federal government, among other ill effects." This is his opinion only, the federal government at the direction of the President has been instructed to comply with state laws regarding marijuana possession. It is unlikely the feds would intercede, and if they do, employers are still free to insist that their workers not use marijuana in their workplaces.

"Drugged driving would be a challenge that law enforcement must deal with. While there is a legal limit of .08 blood alcohol level, there is no limit for drugs in regards to whether someone is over the limit or not, Kirkland said. Law enforcement would have no way to determine or enforce a limit." This also is not true. The police can arrest a person that fails their physical testing and have had no problem doing so in countless non-alcohol DUI cases.

Employers would no longer be able to enforce a drug free work place because people will have the right to use or smoke whenever they want, Kirkland said. I don't know what he is smoking but the proposition does allow such freedom.

"There would be higher workers compensation rates because of a higher risk of accidents and insurance would go up because of increased liability." There is no factual basis for this assertion.

"How are we going to manage and ensure that people we contract with won't be under the influence" Kirkland said. How do you do this now one might ask?

"By not upholding federal standards of drug free work places, the state stands to lose about $31 billion dollars in federal grants and other forms of monetary support, such as contract work. School districts could lose as much as $9.4 billion in federal funds." There is no factual basis for this assertion.

"Collectives can plead the fifth and choose not to disclose their profits." Excuse me but this is clearly an unfounded aspersion.

"There's not going to be any money in it whatsoever, Kirkland said." What about the millions saved by not arresting, trying, and incarcerating people for a victimless crime?

"Saying that legalizing marijuana would put drug cartels out of business is a myth, Kirkland said.The cartels are here to grow, and they are here to stay because there is too much money in it for them to go away." Again this cop has no understanding of economics - legalization will reduce the costs so dramatically that cartels will have no interest in the substance because they cant compete with local sources.

"There will always be marijuana in California because of its climate." A TRUTHFUL STATEMENT AT LAST!!
Evolved Consciousness

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One correction to above: Employers would no longer be able to enforce a drug free work place because people will have the right to use or smoke whenever they want, Kirkland said. I don't know what he is smoking but the proposition does NOT allow such freedom.
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#31
Sep 23, 2010
 
how about them apples all that has happened is a lot of you are on the list iwould not want to be on.
they don,t have to guess who uses now they know.
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Wow, so the argument against legalization is that "hey, will will lose our federal handouts"!?!? I though that Republicans were supposed to be against government work programs.
And as far as the "these hippies can go to work stoned" argument, it is factually incorrect. California is an "at will" state. This means that an employer can fire you for wearing a green shirt if they want to. Furthermore, just because something is legal to consume in a certain setting does not mean that it is allowed in a work environment. I've never shown up to work drunk before, but I'm quite certain that it result in a legal termination.
We really should require officers of the law to have a college education with some law and logic classes included in their undergraduate work. This is an embarrassment.
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#33
Sep 23, 2010
 
robotij......stop posting nonsense on every single piece of Prop 19 news. You posted the EXACT same thing on the LA Times editorial piece.

As far as this article goes, I feel like Pat johnston said it best. What a waste of time and money. Otherwise that town must be in perfect working order for them to spend time on Prop 19 (which is out of their hands as far as voting goes) and not spend time on say a dangerous intersection, or something else that NEEDS to be fixed.

Also, as far as the police chief goes. I think he does not want Prop 19 passed because it would cut into their revenue. They bust someone for a crime and are able to tack on a another charge for possessing marijuana. Now the city isnt getting all of that money from all the marijuana arrests.

So as a pot smoker(roughly half of America's population have smoked pot at least once), what will Prop 19 do for you that will improve your life? ALOT. really.
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#34
Sep 23, 2010
 
Flied Zookini Schinzki wrote:
Tokin da weed thing, gettin' soooo wasted, smokin, smokin, smokin!
i don't care whut U say, I gonna do it anyway!(and everyday too!)
I know, I know...I see you and your buddies every day blazing away and the cops, well they don't even stop.

“Illegitimati non carborundum”

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Monkey wrote:
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I know, I know...I see you and your buddies every day blazing away and the cops, well they don't even stop.
Why should they? No one is getting hurt by these individuals blazing away. You just don't agee with it so you automatically think it's wrong and that these people need to be controlled and forced to live and fit the stereotype you do agree with. Pretty selfish if you ask me. They aren't trying to force you to blaze away so why are you trying to force them to quit?
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When I was a kid we use to get the best buds in Red Bluff from the cops. They use to be the biggest dealers in town.Funny how no one ever was busted for it.They use to sell pounds of the stuff. I saw it with my own eyes.

Now they act all like their not for it.......what a frickin joke!
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Sep 24, 2010
 
robotij wrote:
All Mexico has to do is LEGALIZE farming and export of marijuana to the USA. Mexico can do this TODAY! Then they can be the LEGAL pot suppliers for the US dispensaries and pot shops. Mexico does not have to legalize pot use in their country. All they are doing is getting into the GOLD RUSH and trying to get US money into their country, giving jobs to their people and taking advantage of the America's dependency on POT. There is money to be made by Mexico legally. Why not do it NOW??? America is not the only one that can legalize pot and get away with it. Mexico should legalize the export of marijuana to the USA. Again, it will be good for their country money-wise to take advantage of the US dependency on POT. Do it now and no arguing.
First of all, mexican pot is usually crap. Second we have a right to stop exports to our country. Third most of the pot bought today in California is grown right here by Cal citizens. The cartels are selling in other states where more money can be made. I don't see this changing at all.

What will be more likely is the cartels will continue growing it in our forests, and selling it in other states witch is already happening. And the state is still going to get funding to stop it. Even though they already only stop less then 10% of the cartel growers with the money the feds currently send them.

Also what is more likely is they will try to export more cocaine to California and the U.S. because the value of pot at least in California will go down as it already has since medical marijuana was legalized.
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#38
Sep 24, 2010
 
wow i wonder if there was this much controversy when they where repealing alcohol prohibition ? oh ya they did ,and even gave "scripts" for booze at the time, its almost like looking back into history .... darn i keep forgetting they don't teach AMERICAN history in public schools anymore so we can learn from our mistakes
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#39
Sep 24, 2010
 
oh and btw people guess what ?
"Mexico's New Drug Law May Set an Example"

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599...

mexico decriminalized drugs a while back where has everyone been ? oh ya stuck in the dark ages !
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Sep 24, 2010
 
Evolved Consciousness wrote:
<quoted text>I wholeheartedly agree with you. The statements by retired El Cerrito Police Chief Scott Kirkland, who has served on the California Police Chiefs Association's medical marijuana dispensary task force, were clearly biased and presented without rebuttal.
The real news here is how naive our elected official must be to believe such sanctimounious and self serving misinformation from someone that benefits from the drug war.
For instance: "If passed, the measure would create a myriad of problems for law enforcement and employers, Kirkland said." This sounds like a personal problem as he completely ignores the myriad of problems now suffered by the citizery under existing law.
"The state would lose billions of support dollars from the federal government, among other ill effects." This is his opinion only, the federal government at the direction of the President has been instructed to comply with state laws regarding marijuana possession. It is unlikely the feds would intercede, and if they do, employers are still free to insist that their workers not use marijuana in their workplaces.
"Drugged driving would be a challenge that law enforcement must deal with. While there is a legal limit of .08 blood alcohol level, there is no limit for drugs in regards to whether someone is over the limit or not, Kirkland said. Law enforcement would have no way to determine or enforce a limit." This also is not true. The police can arrest a person that fails their physical testing and have had no problem doing so in countless non-alcohol DUI cases.
Employers would no longer be able to enforce a drug free work place because people will have the right to use or smoke whenever they want, Kirkland said. I don't know what he is smoking but the proposition does allow such freedom.
"There would be higher workers compensation rates because of a higher risk of accidents and insurance would go up because of increased liability." There is no factual basis for this assertion.
"How are we going to manage and ensure that people we contract with won't be under the influence" Kirkland said. How do you do this now one might ask?
"By not upholding federal standards of drug free work places, the state stands to lose about $31 billion dollars in federal grants and other forms of monetary support, such as contract work. School districts could lose as much as $9.4 billion in federal funds." There is no factual basis for this assertion.
"Collectives can plead the fifth and choose not to disclose their profits." Excuse me but this is clearly an unfounded aspersion.
"There's not going to be any money in it whatsoever, Kirkland said." What about the millions saved by not arresting, trying, and incarcerating people for a victimless crime?
"Saying that legalizing marijuana would put drug cartels out of business is a myth, Kirkland said.The cartels are here to grow, and they are here to stay because there is too much money in it for them to go away." Again this cop has no understanding of economics - legalization will reduce the costs so dramatically that cartels will have no interest in the substance because they cant compete with local sources.
"There will always be marijuana in California because of its climate." A TRUTHFUL STATEMENT AT LAST!!
Great Post! I was rather annoyed by the projections he put out with no factual or evidential basis whatsoever myself! This was just pure fear mongering, the usual tactics around Tehama County.
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Sep 24, 2010
 
Why retired El Cerrito Police Chief Scott Kirkland and the Red Bluff City Council wants to continue to subsidize the black market criminals, gangs and cartels selling marijuana is amazing and disturbing. They should be supporting better public safety instead of encouraging less. They should be working to rid us of gangs and cartels instead of subsidizing them.

It's sad he had to resort to lies.

Anyone who wants to continue prohibition of marijuana supports the gangs and cartels that make their money from prohibition.

Legalize and save us from the gangs and cartels and their supporters in law enforcement.

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Sep 27, 2010
 
Reefer madness ahhhhh!

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