Possible Teacher Strike
BlueDish

United States

#21 Aug 20, 2012
To John and Brian,

Kudos for your comments. I have two children in the Edwardsville School District that have been on the Honor Roll since Kindergarten. We started reading to them as babies and take them on educational trips. They have had good teachers and they have had bad. My daughter has asked me to home school her since Kindergarten. Can you guess wich one has had the bad teachers? Check out all the PE/Health teachers that are so heavy they can't show the student's the sport or activity they have to have a student demonstrate. This in the elementary classes. From what John and Brian have written I'm guessing that they believe without an union these teachers can be eliminated and hire more skilled teachers.

From what I understand they don't have to pay into social security, their own pension plan, and have many paid vacation/holiday days. One of the things listed on the contract up on Edwardsville High School's Page for the district was the teachers contract. They didn't want to spend evening times with the parent's during parent teacher conferences, don't want to be at any Open Houses, and don't want to meet after there 7 3/4 hour job with students or parents.

Baba, How are you going to be able to meet with your children's teachers if you work? Do you know if your children have liked the teacher's they have had? Do you, yourself, take time to teach your children alongside their teacher's? How many aids have been in the classes to provide one on one with the adhd children? Why doesn't my child have and aid to help them and maybe they could move up a grade instead of listening to a teacher repeat over and over something that one child doesn't get and maybe assist that one child after school? Oops, I forgot, they don't want to work past their allowed time slot.

In closing there are some very talented teachers in the school that deserve a raise above what the others get. 25% didn't agree to strike, I'll bet those are the teachers that probably deserve the increase and arn't whining.
Blue Dish

United States

#22 Aug 21, 2012
Everyone must have agreed with what I said! There weren't any responces!
Marcus

Saint Peters, MO

#23 Aug 21, 2012
I don't hear anyone whining
No one wants to work an hour for no pay.
Would you ask your carpenter to build a house for free?
Your Edwardsville school teachers just voted to accept a new contract that includes a pay freeze for 3 years.
Teachers don't get any paid holidays and they don't earn an hourly wage. They are paid a salary based on the number of days they work with students. All the other extra curricular time and pay is negotiated into a contract. So, would you willingly just give in on something that you could use as negotiating power. Don't believe the propoganda.
Of course there are good and bad teachers. There are ways to get rid of the bad. It's not as hard as you may think especially now with new state laws. Tenure protection is all but dead in Illinois.I also can't stand to see a fat PE teacher or anyone else that abuses food and ruins their body.
I get so sick of people expecting teachers to do so much extra for free. No one else would. Not the lawyer you hire or the guy that cuts your grass. Oh, By the way, good for you for reading to your kids and preparing them for school. At a minimum it is what parents are supposed to do. Many children have very poor home situations; drugs, alcohol, poverty. Is this the childs' fault? Should we just boot the undesireables out? Don't you think they deserve a chance at an education? Even if it means getting some extra help like an aid in the room? You would be alarmed at the number of children who are not prepared. Those are the ones your kids' teachers have to stay late for and come in early for. Those are the kids they have to buy pencils and paper for and sometimes clothes or breakfast. Most teachers do this without tooting their own horn. No one is complaining about this. They do it without extra pay. I believe teachers want to have input into this choice and not be compelled by some authority figure. Also, ADHD is a medical condition. Do you really think the kids or teachers like it? It really amazes me how shallow and self centered people in this town can be. Why don't you park the Beemer and walk in someone elses shoes for a dose of reality.
Brian

United States

#24 Aug 23, 2012
Well now after the usual grandstanding and the board giving the teachers what they want school will start. Hightowers show will allow him to save face saying he fought it out to the end. The teachers got what they wanted and in the back rooms the administrators will all get raises under some theory that the teachers go them so why shouldnt they.
You edwardsville morons have been taken to the cleaners once again by the very board that you elect. Funny
Brian

East Saint Louis, IL

#25 Aug 23, 2012
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
School started Wednesday. Dumb a$$. I'm not old enough to drink. I don't think I would need to use beer as a crutch. Obviously YOU do. YOU probably don't have a job and are envious of those that do. When texting; U, R, IDK and KMA are used to save time. By the way you haven't crossed all of your t's and dotted all of you're i's either, dillweed.. YOU may even be familiar with LOL which is what I do when I read your bitterly weak rants.
WINNING!
The only school that started was the "my Old School" tavern and district 7s were not open yet
Now run along and pout like you teachers do. Its disgusting how your greed ruined what was once the best education system in the world
Disgusting to say the least
Mike

Saint Peters, MO

#26 Aug 24, 2012
Brian wrote:
<quoted text>The only school that started was the "my Old School" tavern and district 7s were not open yet
Now run along and pout like you teachers do. Its disgusting how your greed ruined what was once the best education system in the world
Disgusting to say the least
Dude
I think its really funny how you talk sh!!t about stuff you know nothing about. School did start on time, and the teachers never went on stike or lockout. You really are a dip-sH!!t. Did you know that American teachers are some of the lowest paid teachers in the developed world. Greed? Your just an A-hole. I think you wish you were a teacher. You covet the high pay and great working conditions you talk about. If you had a brain you would have been able to complete your education. I guess that was your teachers fault though. Just something for you to think about when you stand in line waiting for your government handout. Now, go back to your trailer and get back to watching those spank films. K?
Brian

Edwardsville, IL

#27 Aug 25, 2012
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude
I think its really funny how you talk sh!!t about stuff you know nothing about. School did start on time, and the teachers never went on stike or lockout. You really are a dip-sH!!t. Did you know that American teachers are some of the lowest paid teachers in the developed world. Greed? Your just an A-hole. I think you wish you were a teacher. You covet the high pay and great working conditions you talk about. If you had a brain you would have been able to complete your education. I guess that was your teachers fault though. Just something for you to think about when you stand in line waiting for your government handout. Now, go back to your trailer and get back to watching those spank films. K?
What a bunch of hogwash from an obvious Edwardsville greedy teacher. Low paid? are you kidding me. Our teachers enjoy an excellent standard of living here. Did you know that SIUE can hire teachers with PHds as lw as 2100 per semester class? Thats what a fair market wage is. Kick that union out and my guess is teaching, being its just babysitting anyway, would clock in at minimum wage.
The onlyu one on a government handout is the teachers...their check comes from the Government. As for me, I write the check to the Government under force of law to pay for you lazy overpaid bums. ENjoy it while you can. Thanks you your silly antics the State of Illinois isd going to financially implode anyway. Then see what you can be hired at in the free open market. My guess is most of you teachers won't be able to get a job. I know I would never hire one in my business...they are too stupid to do real work
Brian

Edwardsville, IL

#28 Aug 25, 2012
BlueDish wrote:
To John and Brian,
Kudos for your comments. I have two children in the Edwardsville School District that have been on the Honor Roll since Kindergarten. We started reading to them as babies and take them on educational trips. They have had good teachers and they have had bad. My daughter has asked me to home school her since Kindergarten. Can you guess wich one has had the bad teachers? Check out all the PE/Health teachers that are so heavy they can't show the student's the sport or activity they have to have a student demonstrate. This in the elementary classes. From what John and Brian have written I'm guessing that they believe without an union these teachers can be eliminated and hire more skilled teachers.
From what I understand they don't have to pay into social security, their own pension plan, and have many paid vacation/holiday days. One of the things listed on the contract up on Edwardsville High School's Page for the district was the teachers contract. They didn't want to spend evening times with the parent's during parent teacher conferences, don't want to be at any Open Houses, and don't want to meet after there 7 3/4 hour job with students or parents.
Baba, How are you going to be able to meet with your children's teachers if you work? Do you know if your children have liked the teacher's they have had? Do you, yourself, take time to teach your children alongside their teacher's? How many aids have been in the classes to provide one on one with the adhd children? Why doesn't my child have and aid to help them and maybe they could move up a grade instead of listening to a teacher repeat over and over something that one child doesn't get and maybe assist that one child after school? Oops, I forgot, they don't want to work past their allowed time slot.
In closing there are some very talented teachers in the school that deserve a raise above what the others get. 25% didn't agree to strike, I'll bet those are the teachers that probably deserve the increase and arn't whining.
Take a drive out to SIUE and ask them why many of the so called great Edwardsville student have to be taught junior high math, science and english. If they were so talented they woulnt need a union either now would they?
Back to the classroom for you teach
Blue Dish

United States

#29 Aug 25, 2012
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude
I think its really funny how you talk sh!!t about stuff you know nothing about. School did start on time, and the teachers never went on stike or lockout. You really are a dip-sH!!t. Did you know that American teachers are some of the lowest paid teachers in the developed world. Greed? Your just an A-hole. I think you wish you were a teacher. You covet the high pay and great working conditions you talk about. If you had a brain you would have been able to complete your education. I guess that was your teachers fault though. Just something for you to think about when you stand in line waiting for your government handout. Now, go back to your trailer and get back to watching those spank films. K?
If you researched that our teachers in the United States are paid fhe least amount. Then it should have also stated that we are also far behind in our educacation and no other country has "No Child Left Behind" That pull allthe others in the classroom back.
Blue Dish

United States

#30 Aug 25, 2012
Brian wrote:
<quoted text>Take a drive out to SIUE and ask them why many of the so called great Edwardsville student have to be taught junior high math, science and english. If they were so talented they woulnt need a union either now would they?
Back to the classroom for you teach
Brian i'm not sur where your going with this we are on the same side of the strike. I said my kids are on the honor roll. My husband and i work with our children at home. My kids have had both excellant teachers and some that came in just for the paycheck.
Blue Dish

United States

#31 Aug 25, 2012
Marcus wrote:
I don't hear anyone whining
No one wants to work an hour for no pay.
Would you ask your carpenter to build a house for free?
Your Edwardsville school teachers just voted to accept a new contract that includes a pay freeze for 3 years.
Teachers don't get any paid holidays and they don't earn an hourly wage. They are paid a salary based on the number of days they work with students. All the other extra curricular time and pay is negotiated into a contract. So, would you willingly just give in on something that you could use as negotiating power. Don't believe the propoganda.
Of course there are good and bad teachers. There are ways to get rid of the bad. It's not as hard as you may think especially now with new state laws. Tenure protection is all but dead in Illinois.I also can't stand to see a fat PE teacher or anyone else that abuses food and ruins their body.
I get so sick of people expecting teachers to do so much extra for free. No one else would. Not the lawyer you hire or the guy that cuts your grass. Oh, By the way, good for you for reading to your kids and preparing them for school. At a minimum it is what parents are supposed to do. Many children have very poor home situations; drugs, alcohol, poverty. Is this the childs' fault? Should we just boot the undesireables out? Don't you think they deserve a chance at an education? Even if it means getting some extra help like an aid in the room? You would be alarmed at the number of children who are not prepared. Those are the ones your kids' teachers have to stay late for and come in early for. Those are the kids they have to buy pencils and paper for and sometimes clothes or breakfast. Most teachers do this without tooting their own horn. No one is complaining about this. They do it without extra pay. I believe teachers want to have input into this choice and not be compelled by some authority figure. Also, ADHD is a medical condition. Do you really think the kids or teachers like it? It really amazes me how shallow and self centered people in this town can be. Why don't you park the Beemer and walk in someone elses shoes for a dose of reality.
But see now you are name calling and making assumptions about me. First of all i don't like "beemers" and I came from a home where my mother was a drug addict and was verbily abusive. None of my school teachers helped me after school or even new i had problems in the home. These are the quiet children in the classroom that no one notices. I also had a gay gym teacher that touched me in gymnastics class where no studen should ever be touched. Now that im done whining. Even the honor roll students deserve some attention in class not just the adhd (yes, i did know it is a medical issue). It should be set up for all children to excell not just the under achievers.
John Burch

United States

#32 Aug 25, 2012
Many on this post have a great misconception of what the teachers in Edwardsville and the surrounding areas are provided for in their position. Let's not forget that first and foremost they chose this career path, the fine men and woman of our military often make less than what our teachers do and do it out of a sense of obligation to our country. Having only 180 work days a year with the salary and benefits they receive is pretty sweet. After 7 years years they receive almost 10% of their salary in vacation, or looking at it on the other side, they only have to work 90% of their schedule to receive their full salary. I cannot think of another industry that gives their employees that kind of benefit. Three weeks vacation, fifteen days, when you already only work 180 days out of the year. Look at their most recent expired contract and tell me what employer, private employer, provides for so many sick days and allows them to accumulate. Yes the union has done them well, not the districts, the union has only served to take more and more from the district and it's residents. Maybe Hightower buckled, I don't know but when I saw that a federal mediator was to be involved I had a pretty good idea where things were headed. Monday night we will hopefully see what the results were, hope to see you there.
John Burch

United States

#33 Aug 25, 2012
Now I have a few personal issues I would like to resolve. Astonished, I am absolutely astonished as well by your comments and hope you are keeping up with these posts. There were a few things that really stood out in your post, among other things you state that no teacher would cross a picket line without risking "social suicide". I would think you are referring to retribution and intimidation by the members of the supporting union. Thuggery is essentially the same as bullying, which is exactly how the union works, your "social suicide" would otherwise mean that you would be, in union terms, blackballed. Hundreds of stories later about how teachers and parents want to get a handle on bullying in schools and this the example that is set. Even the threat of a strike is a intimidation and falls into the category of bullying. You can't honestly tell me that anyone in the union or the teachers that voted to decline the previous offer and subsequently voted to strike had the best intension and well being of the student or the community in mind. After having spent over 17 years in a union paying dues that went to causes that had nothing to do with me I was happy to shed them from my coattails. I watched as others less talented than me continued to earn the same as me for less, I was one that stood up and was on the receiving end of their intimidation only because I knew I could be better than what the union allowed me to be. The only fault on the side of my employer was that they were forced to have a union work environment, through my own efforts I was promoted through the ranks and I continued to excel beyond what the union told me to do. I was told to slow down, I'm making the others look bad, I was told that I could not learn to be better at my job and more productive by coming in early or staying late. Eventually my efforts paid off and I was provided bonuses and extra incentives by my employer which resulted in even more retribution. Now I manage many of those same employees, I understand their plight and why they don't feel they can cross the union brotherhood but I still reward those that try to better themselves despite what the union tries to do in the way of conformity. By the way, no union has ever signed a paycheck that I received, EVER, I had a business owner that paid me out of what me or, as is the case now, my department provided for him in the way of income. Unions haven't benefitted anyone but the weak, slow and lazy for decades now, you may disagree but I know that statement to be a fact.
John Burch

United States

#34 Aug 25, 2012
Baba, you are akin to the student that misses the first question on their test, their name. I would guess, only a guess though, that you are trying to channel The Who. Great band great song but first and foremost it is spelled "Baba O'Riley",get it right. I probably would have went for "Won't Get Fooled Again". Calling people names is really unbecoming in a debate such as this, it should be conversation not confrontation. With the attitude you have displayed I am happy to hear you don't spent time with your children and haven't helped your children with their education, at least you do realize your limitations. Your insight to my limitations is typical of someone that speaks only out of emotion and not facts, you babysitter equation is senseless but when figured correctly might be closer to reality than you would care to admit. As to a dip shit such as myself being able to handle filling in for a striking teacher, bring it on, I have some vacation time left, not near the time the teachers have but some. The district had already been notified of my intentions as well as my wife's to help in anyway possible, free, not minimum wage, free. A little about me you didn't know before opening your screen and typing your remarks. I am a product of the Alton school system, I started taking College summer school between my sophomore and junior year, I took night classes throughout my junior and senior year, I took more summer classes between my junior and senior year, I chose not to graduate early from high school so that I could have more time for studies by having half days my senior year. I graduated college when I was 18 from a post secondary and started my current career part time right out of high school. I taught college courses for several years while they were restricting their staff for the same reasons we are discussing here, I chose not to want to teach full time after being asked more than a few times. I have been on the advisory committee for a local college for over 25 years and know first hand what is entailed in building a curriculum and working to meet state standards and bring the college further ahead than what those minimum standards require. My college classes consisted of 35-40 students and sometimes more while attending and teaching. Yes, I could do it and the district knew I would help, not sure you understand the difference between just saying something versus actually doing it. I would feel quite comfortable filling in to teach english, literature, composition, creative writing, history, social studies and any shop class. While I do enjoy physics I would hope someone else would volunteer to instruct math and science classes. I know you said you feel better after your statements, I'm glad to hear that. After all it is your world were just living in it, enjoy your euphoria.
John Burch

United States

#35 Aug 25, 2012
Eric, maybe you misunderstood Brian. Your abbreviations, while you may think are acceptable when texting, have no business in an adult conversation and will ultimately lead to your demise. While your defense of the teachers and willingness to step into the arena of adult debate is admirable I doubt any of your teachers would allow such spelling and abbreviation on an essay. Stay in school learn how to read and write, develop your opinions in a more intelligent manner or the only dollar signs you will see in your future will be the ones you use to substitute for S

Brian, thank for your comments, I apologize for not checking back sooner to support your comments. Go easy on bluedish, after reading her posts she definately is on our side.

Marcus, get out of your Beemer? Really, that's how you end what otherwise would have been a relatively sensible opposing opinion? I bet you drive a Prius. Next time choose a vehicle manufactured by an American owned manufacturer like Ford. Your argument lost so much credibility by making assumptions of someone's stature.

Mike, don't start a post addressing someone as "dude", talk about not caring about anything you had to say after that. You give the productive pot smokers a bad reputation all people see at that point is your lack of ability to state your case in a constructive manner.
John Burch

United States

#36 Aug 25, 2012
Astonished and Baba, sorry I didn't post my remarks directed toward you twice, computer glitch and wasn't sure if my previous post went through correctly. Didn't want you two to feel like I didn't care as much about you as i did Eric, Brian Marcus or Mike.

While I'm here though I want to give kudos to blue dish, Beemer and all. It sounds like that despite you childhood you have overcome the tragedies and hardships to do well for yourself and have sought out your own educational paths to get you ahead in life. Obviously you have done well with your children and have researched and thought about the situation before coming on here to post.
Baba

Saint Peters, MO

#37 Aug 25, 2012
John Burch wrote:
Astonished and Baba, sorry I didn't post my remarks directed toward you twice, computer glitch and wasn't sure if my previous post went through correctly. Didn't want you two to feel like I didn't care as much about you as i did Eric, Brian Marcus or Mike.
While I'm here though I want to give kudos to blue dish, Beemer and all. It sounds like that despite you childhood you have overcome the tragedies and hardships to do well for yourself and have sought out your own educational paths to get you ahead in life. Obviously you have done well with your children and have researched and thought about the situation before coming on here to post.
Did you stay up all night typing this garbage. You must be superman to have done it all on your own.
You are awesome. By the way, topix wont let you type any punctuation in the name bar. Who cares anyway? This isn't formal writing. It's just for fun so I can get your panties all in a bunch. If you were so smart you would have it figured out by now and have had some fun with it. Of course you knew that since you are so smart and perfect.
Baba

Saint Peters, MO

#38 Aug 25, 2012
John Burch wrote:
Many on this post have a great misconception of what the teachers in Edwardsville and the surrounding areas are provided for in their position. Let's not forget that first and foremost they chose this career path, the fine men and woman of our military often make less than what our teachers do and do it out of a sense of obligation to our country. Having only 180 work days a year with the salary and benefits they receive is pretty sweet. After 7 years years they receive almost 10% of their salary in vacation, or looking at it on the other side, they only have to work 90% of their schedule to receive their full salary. I cannot think of another industry that gives their employees that kind of benefit. Three weeks vacation, fifteen days, when you already only work 180 days out of the year. Look at their most recent expired contract and tell me what employer, private employer, provides for so many sick days and allows them to accumulate. Yes the union has done them well, not the districts, the union has only served to take more and more from the district and it's residents. Maybe Hightower buckled, I don't know but when I saw that a federal mediator was to be involved I had a pretty good idea where things were headed. Monday night we will hopefully see what the results were, hope to see you there.
Sick leave, not vacation. No teacher is paid for summer vacation unless they take a summer teaching assignment.
Wrong again!
Blue Dish

United States

#39 Aug 26, 2012
Baba wrote:
<quoted text>
Sick leave, not vacation. No teacher is paid for summer vacation unless they take a summer teaching assignment.
Wrong again!
In some illinois school districts they can choose to be paid monthly and get paid in the summer months or just the nine monthsthey teach. Was told by a postal employee his wife made more than he did if you count her hours worked.
Blue Dish

United States

#40 Aug 26, 2012
Baba wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you stay up all night typing this garbage. You must be superman to have done it all on your own.
You are awesome. By the way, topix wont let you type any punctuation in the name bar. Who cares anyway? This isn't formal writing. It's just for fun so I can get your panties all in a bunch. If you were so smart you would have it figured out by now and have had some fun with it. Of course you knew that since you are so smart and perfect.
Did you just say that this is just for fun? I have children in school in the Edwardsville school disfrict. This could effect the whole community if they strike. I have heard that they have reached an agreement, but you can't possobly think this is fun!

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