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Wondering

Worden, IL

#1 Aug 9, 2012
What do you think about the District 7 teachers going on strike? Are they being unreasonable?
john burch

Saint Louis, MO

#2 Aug 13, 2012
The teachers union throughout the years have negotiated a pretty nice contract that has been passed over and over again with little discussion of change. their retirement and benefits package is so much better than the private sector could hope to accomplish now. I work with unions on a daily basis and have been a member of a union. I think that public sector unions should be abolished. As a taxpayer and parent I pay their wage, just as my neighbors do but have no control and little say about how and what they are paid. Return the schools to the tax payer, base teacher salary and tenure on their performance. The union is currently stating that it has to do with class size, one or two students extra in a classroom will not affect the teachers that are proficient, it is just another attempt to maintain control over the district and hopefully this time it will not work and backfire on them. In addition, should they ultimately choose to strike and district does not break the union they will only extend the school year by the amount of time they are on strike. This is the ultimate slap in the face. When unions typically go on strike they do not receive pay and have no way to make up the time and money lost. The teachers simply give up time off in the summer and feel no immediate or long term effect of their action, they simply make up for it later. I say if they strike, they should be fired. The contract has expired leaving the district to explore other options that will improve their acedemic results with a more stable work force accountable for their performance.
Astonished

United States

#3 Aug 13, 2012
I cannot believe what Mr. Burch has just stated! The biggest issue currently is class size. Classes are already too big, and now your district would like to add one or two more kids to their class size. Without experiencing what it's like to teach a full class, I don't expect you to completely understand. However, I will tell you that even the most experienced and proficient teacher cannot accomplish all that needs done when they are being forced to work "crowd control" in their classroom. And the most well behave class can turn into a nightmare with the addition of only one or two kids. Furthermore, the proposed language not only sets higher class size limits, but it then uses the words "may provide an assistant" and "may divide the class" when the numbers are exceeded. The words "may" and "may not" are fully interchangable. This means that there really is no limit for class size any more, if its left up to your district to determine if it is necessary to split. Just a side note, Illinois is one of only 17 states that does not have a statewide class size limit. The teachers have to stand up for what is right.
As for teacher pay and insurance, if your district wants to continue to attract and retain quality educators, you have to give them a reason to be interested in your district to begin with. Pay, benefits, continuing education reinbursement (not paid by district 7) is better in many of the local surrounding communities.
As for the actual strike (should it happen), your teacher's will feel the effects. Any time missed from school does have to be made up. These teachers will be teaching into the summer, and for those that do not live within your district, they will have to find child care for their children who have already finished. It effects when the quarter/semester dates are placed at the middle and high schools as well. As for their missed pay, that will have to be negotiated.
Yes, I guess legally you could fire and rehire all 500+ of these teachers, but can you imagine the mass chaos that would insue. You've not even taken into account that these new hires haven't practiced any of the emergency drills with the students like the current teachers have. Nobody would have any clue what was going on. And there would be nobody there with experience to ask for help with course content as well. Not to mention that any experienced teachers that would be interested in applying for one of these positions, would never do so. It would be social suicide to cross a picket line to replace those still walking. We teachers have respect for one another. I know I would never do such a thing.
If you are a member of that community and a parent within that community, I would hope that you would support those teachers as they fight for a better educational experience for your children. I've always heard that Edwardsville is the "Premier High School" in Illinois. Well, that's not going to be true if you keep cramming more and more students into your classrooms without the support necessary. Your test scores will drop, and your behavior problems will increase. As a teacher myself, I completely support and understand what they are fighting for! I just hope everything gets resolved for them quickly so there is no strike. I've been there, and it's not fun. But you have to do what's right for the kids!
unions are garbage

Granite City, IL

#4 Aug 13, 2012
Take a look at the district 7 performance state wide and then tell me they shouldn't be fired. They're are plenty of unemployed teachers that would happily do the job.

Don't like the pay find a new job! Teachers don't decide what they teach, the state does! What makes one better than the other? The fact that they don't sip whisky during class? Show up, tell the kids what you are required to make them memorize and move on.

Unions are garbage!
Baba OReiley

Saint Peters, MO

#5 Aug 13, 2012
Garbage,
Dist. 7 is one of the highest performing school districts in S.Illinois. They also have one of the lower starting salaries. I think you're just some fool spouting off because your stupid. There are plenty of unemployed teachers who would gladly do the job? Really? Try finding 500 QUALIFIED people. If it wern't for Unions and the labor movement your kids would be working in coal mines so your family could feed itself. Stop drinking the anti-union cool aid. It's not the teachers' fault. They just want a fair contract. Look at history. Unions had and have an important roll in fighting for workers rights, health, and safety.

John,
You think teachers have it better than the private sector? Why don't you go to school get a teaching degree and join them? If it is so easy even a dip-shit like you could do it. Hell, they could put 40 kids in your class. Since your going to be paid with taxes maybe you would work for minimum wage? As a matter of fact, we could hire all 500 new Dist. 7 teachers for half of what we now pay! You can be the first. No, I dont work for District 7, but I have 2 kids that go there and the teachers we have are second to none. I have a hard enough time working with my own two kids. I couldnt imagine having 25-30 of them at a time. Teachers do a great service. By the way my kids are straight A students. Not because of me, because they have great teachers that inspire and challenge them. I just cant help it. I think you're an idiot. There I said it and I feel better for it.
F Unions

Saint Peters, MO

#6 Aug 13, 2012
This is not about class size. That is all smoke and mirrors to mask the increase in tax base to the payer when Illinois is BROKE. The union just knows how to play their pawns in front of the crowds and cameras. Bull sheist is what I say.
unions are garbage

Belleville, IL

#7 Aug 13, 2012
Qualified? To do what ? Babysit?

Our schools still teach Columbus discovered America!

Dumbed down base 10 math? Get real. Teachers babysitter and make our children memorize state assigned garbage! Our fireman should strike, our teachers should take their cake job and shut up!

If your going to speak up make it about the lies your forced to pound into our children's heads not the money you get to babysit.
eville student

United States

#8 Aug 13, 2012
These teachers are selfish and extremely whiny. If you were in teaching for $ you picked the wrong career. If this messes up graduation i'm going to be pissed.
Knowing one

Belleville, IL

#9 Aug 14, 2012
My Edwardsvlle class had 42 in it. There were no free lunches or breakfasts. There were no teachers aides and there were no free periods for teachers.
Teachers are jst like spoiled little children. When they don't get their way they pout and run to the union. The parents that back them are upset that they will lose their taxpayer paid babysitting service so naturally they back the teachers in the hopes that by doing so their little soccer angel will get a better grade
Taxpayers are waking upand to all of you that "moved to Edwardsville because of the schools" why don't you go back to where you came from. We had much better students before your brats came here and upset the classrooms
Baba OReiley

Saint Peters, MO

#10 Aug 14, 2012
Baby Sit?
OK, lets go with that! I agree!!!
They are baby sitters. We should pay them as such. Our kids don't learn anything from those masters degreed baby sitters.They should have 30 students per class, lazy whining bums. So lets see. My baby sitter made $125.00 dollars per week per kid. Thats right I got a deal. So lets see, they have what 30 kids in a class, right? Ok, that's 125 x 30. Which equals....
$3750.00 per week. Uh? Ok, so then that's x 4 right? per month. That's $15,000.00 per month? Wait, that can't be right. But since they only work 9 months we'll only pay them for 9 months not a day more. That would mean they should only make $135,000.00 per year. Nope! I think my calculator is broken because they shouldn't get that for BABYSITTING. Dang! They even taught me enough math that I can make you look like a fool even without a calculator. Do the math we get a great deal for our tax dollars.
Brian

Belleville, IL

#11 Aug 14, 2012
Baba OReiley wrote:
Baby Sit?
OK, lets go with that! I agree!!!
They are baby sitters. We should pay them as such. Our kids don't learn anything from those masters degreed baby sitters.They should have 30 students per class, lazy whining bums. So lets see. My baby sitter made $125.00 dollars per week per kid. Thats right I got a deal. So lets see, they have what 30 kids in a class, right? Ok, that's 125 x 30. Which equals....
$3750.00 per week. Uh? Ok, so then that's x 4 right? per month. That's $15,000.00 per month? Wait, that can't be right. But since they only work 9 months we'll only pay them for 9 months not a day more. That would mean they should only make $135,000.00 per year. Nope! I think my calculator is broken because they shouldn't get that for BABYSITTING. Dang! They even taught me enough math that I can make you look like a fool even without a calculator. Do the math we get a great deal for our tax dollars.
Laugh...why dont you try and find a real job?
Laugh
Education 1st

Euless, TX

#12 Aug 14, 2012
As a parent.... Of 3 children in edwardsville schools, I'm up set w/ all parties involved EEA & the Board. We have children who need & want an education. Any teacher knows the 1st month of school is difficult for students to get accumulated to the school schedule. Why go on strike and make it harder for our children? Why not look at the reality of our children need? Both parties need to put our children's education 1st. As a Teacher... U chose this job... U knew the position did not pay alot of money & ur best opinion is to get in a good school district or teach at a college...( which maybe more schooling for some). Therefore a strike sounds silly. The Board.... Really 25 plus students in a class room?! No way! Our children can not learn with a crowded class. Some of these kids have ADHD or learning disablities.... That's impossible for them to learn. Crowded class rooms are a road to behavior problems for teachers & other students. Edwardsville schools will lose the rep.... Of the best schools in S. IL.
Please EEA & The Board.... Our children need an education.... Ur fighting is only slowing down the progress of our children's goals & dreams. Beside that do u really want to bring all this negative attention to our community? Work it out before its too late. Money will come & go....forever. But our children are only young once.... Let's not jade there minds....please give them the opportunity to success.
Brian

Belleville, IL

#13 Aug 15, 2012
Education 1st wrote:
As a parent.... Of 3 children in edwardsville schools, I'm up set w/ all parties involved EEA & the Board. We have children who need & want an education. Any teacher knows the 1st month of school is difficult for students to get accumulated to the school schedule. Why go on strike and make it harder for our children? Why not look at the reality of our children need? Both parties need to put our children's education 1st. As a Teacher... U chose this job... U knew the position did not pay alot of money & ur best opinion is to get in a good school district or teach at a college...( which maybe more schooling for some). Therefore a strike sounds silly. The Board.... Really 25 plus students in a class room?! No way! Our children can not learn with a crowded class. Some of these kids have ADHD or learning disablities.... That's impossible for them to learn. Crowded class rooms are a road to behavior problems for teachers & other students. Edwardsville schools will lose the rep.... Of the best schools in S. IL.
Please EEA & The Board.... Our children need an education.... Ur fighting is only slowing down the progress of our children's goals & dreams. Beside that do u really want to bring all this negative attention to our community? Work it out before its too late. Money will come & go....forever. But our children are only young once.... Let's not jade there minds....please give them the opportunity to success.
Do your trolling in your hometown in Texas and keep your nose out of our business up here.
We need replacement teachers so the whole lot of the gredy ones can be fired
Baba OReiley

Saint Peters, MO

#14 Aug 15, 2012
Brian wrote:
<quoted text>Do your trolling in your hometown in Texas and keep your nose out of our business up here.
We need replacement teachers so the whole lot of the gredy ones can be fired

I guess you can't fully understand what I'm saying. So I'll break it down for you. I think the teachers call it dumbing it down.So, I'll dumb it down just for you. I'm not a teacher. I have a real job. Thanks to the teachers that took an interest in education. Teachers have real jobs and I doubt you could do it without years of training, state license, competency testing, yearly evaluations, and ongoing education.
So, I said my baby-sitter made $125.00 per week. That's 25.00 a day . That's an 8-9 hour day. Can you do math? She made less than minmum wage. I said I got a deal. So if we paid teachers for babysitting we would be getting a great deal, right? Wow! Maybe you should go into baby sitting? I don't know what axe some of you have to grind on the teachers of Dist. 7 but they do a great job and deserve our respect, a fair contract, and a decent work environment. Remember they have our children in those classes. I for one want smaller class sizes. Kids will learn more when the teachers aren't doing crowd control. If you can read this thank a teacher.
me me me

Saint Peters, MO

#15 Aug 15, 2012
Brian,John, Knowing, F unions, garbage and pizzystudent.
U all can suk it.
Brian

Belleville, IL

#16 Aug 16, 2012
Baba OReiley wrote:
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I guess you can't fully understand what I'm saying. So I'll break it down for you. I think the teachers call it dumbing it down.So, I'll dumb it down just for you. I'm not a teacher. I have a real job. Thanks to the teachers that took an interest in education. Teachers have real jobs and I doubt you could do it without years of training, state license, competency testing, yearly evaluations, and ongoing education.
So, I said my baby-sitter made $125.00 per week. That's 25.00 a day . That's an 8-9 hour day. Can you do math? She made less than minmum wage. I said I got a deal. So if we paid teachers for babysitting we would be getting a great deal, right? Wow! Maybe you should go into baby sitting? I don't know what axe some of you have to grind on the teachers of Dist. 7 but they do a great job and deserve our respect, a fair contract, and a decent work environment. Remember they have our children in those classes. I for one want smaller class sizes. Kids will learn more when the teachers aren't doing crowd control. If you can read this thank a teacher.
The samee old tired babysitting math fallicy thrown up by a teacher once again. Classrooms, like auto assembly lines, provide a way to deskill work meaning it can be done cheaper. So your whole argument is not really an argument and actually has no validity. Fire the teacher and put the baby sitter in the classroom and you can see the difference. As for all the blah about qualifications let me assure you that there are plenty out there with the qualifications that would gladly do your job for much less, are young and enthusiastic too. Its time to rid the schools of the old re-tread teachers and get some new youthfull blood in the classrooms. This time lets really make it aboutthe children instead of the teachers
Eric

Saint Peters, MO

#17 Aug 16, 2012
Brian wrote:
<quoted text>The samee old tired babysitting math fallicy thrown up by a teacher once again. Classrooms, like auto assembly lines, provide a way to deskill work meaning it can be done cheaper. So your whole argument is not really an argument and actually has no validity. Fire the teacher and put the baby sitter in the classroom and you can see the difference. As for all the blah about qualifications let me assure you that there are plenty out there with the qualifications that would gladly do your job for much less, are young and enthusiastic too. Its time to rid the schools of the old re-tread teachers and get some new youthfull blood in the classrooms. This time lets really make it aboutthe children instead of the teachers
Did u read that? Not a teacher. Last time I checked u dont need to go to college to work on an assembly line. my teachers work hard and have mastery of the subject matter. I enjoy school because I have teachers that care about what they do. Sure some are hags but if u saw what some of the kids are like u would not last 1 week. Why do u think it is ok to fire a teacher for exersizing their rights? Are you a communist? we should all work for the good of the state? For each what they need and each do what they can? I think that was Marx. I'll ask my history and government teacher today. They will know. I'll bet the baby sitter won't. Though Im sure u do as u are a big fan of Marx, right.
Brian
#18 Aug 16, 2012
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Did u read that? Not a teacher. Last time I checked u dont need to go to college to work on an assembly line. my teachers work hard and have mastery of the subject matter. I enjoy school because I have teachers that care about what they do. Sure some are hags but if u saw what some of the kids are like u would not last 1 week. Why do u think it is ok to fire a teacher for exersizing their rights? Are you a communist? we should all work for the good of the state? For each what they need and each do what they can? I think that was Marx. I'll ask my history and government teacher today. They will know. I'll bet the baby sitter won't. Though Im sure u do as u are a big fan of Marx, right.
Your teachers did not teach you how to spell the word "you"? Back to the picket line for you because my children can spell that three letter word thanks to their parents, not you bozos throwing tantrums in front of Woodland School
Brian
#19 Aug 16, 2012
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Did u read that? Not a teacher. Last time I checked u dont need to go to college to work on an assembly line. my teachers work hard and have mastery of the subject matter. I enjoy school because I have teachers that care about what they do. Sure some are hags but if u saw what some of the kids are like u would not last 1 week. Why do u think it is ok to fire a teacher for exersizing their rights? Are you a communist? we should all work for the good of the state? For each what they need and each do what they can? I think that was Marx. I'll ask my history and government teacher today. They will know. I'll bet the baby sitter won't. Though Im sure u do as u are a big fan of Marx, right.
rereading your post you say you are going to ask your teacher today. There is no school today. Laugh. Go back to the bar and have another with your EEA buddies.
Eric
#20 Aug 17, 2012
Brian wrote:
<quoted text>rereading your post you say you are going to ask your teacher today. There is no school today. Laugh. Go back to the bar and have another with your EEA buddies.
School started Wednesday. Dumb a$$. I'm not old enough to drink. I don't think I would need to use beer as a crutch. Obviously YOU do. YOU probably don't have a job and are envious of those that do. When texting; U, R, IDK and KMA are used to save time. By the way you haven't crossed all of your t's and dotted all of you're i's either, dillweed.. YOU may even be familiar with LOL which is what I do when I read your bitterly weak rants.
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