Open-mindedness isn't a one-way street

May 3, 2008 | Posted by: keokimon | Full story: www.heraldnet.com

GUEST COMMENTARY Open-mindedness isn't a one-way street By Alyssa Musgrave As you may know, April 25 was known as "The Day of Silence" around our high schools.

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There shall be no deviation from the accepted wisdom. If you are not speaking up in favor of the Day of Silence, you should be silenced.

Poor girl doesn't understand that freedom of speech doesn't mean _she_ gets to be free in what she says. She needs to understand that she has to support whatever is the PC cause of the day.

I sure hope she figure this out soon so she'll be able to graduate and find her place in society serving her masters.

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It sounds like this girl got a lesson in what it is like for gays most other days of the school year. Too bad she didn't learn that lesson, but she has a right to not agree too.

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LindaS wrote:
It sounds like this girl got a lesson in what it is like for gays most other days of the school year. Too bad she didn't learn that lesson, but she has a right to not agree too.
Funny that she didn't learn that an opinion is one thing, action is another. There are many things I don't like but I support because of the bigger picture.

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So, she's crying because someone else doesn't like her expressing her opinion, when her opinion was opposition to theirs. So, she's complaining about other people doing just what she did.

Interesting.
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Reading is a skill, Dasein9.
She's complaining because the people screaming for others to be open-minded are themselves the most close-minded out there. She did not have a problem with others expressing their opinion. And while she was referring to the close-minded students, the parents in this district are worse. I live in the Snoqualmie Valley School District and the pro-gay groups don't want to hear anything that might help our children get a better EDUCATION in our schools.

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Concerned Parent wrote:
I live in the Snoqualmie Valley School District and the pro-gay groups don't want to hear anything that might help our children get a better EDUCATION in our schools.
What are you talking about???? What don't gay groups want to hear that has to do with a better education?

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LindaS wrote:
It sounds like this girl got a lesson in what it is like for gays most other days of the school year. Too bad she didn't learn that lesson, but she has a right to not agree too.
LindaS. Judge not,Wake up and read the article. First off, this happened in my local school district here in Washington, not across the country as an interesting story to comment on (I noted you are listed as posting from Fla.) Several hundred students choose not to attend Mt. Si High school due to this "Day of Silence" and the pressure by LGBT student union to "be opened minded" - that is not PRO education and those pressure tactics appear to have spread to even the teacher advsiors to the LGBT union as well.

As for your comment about learning lessons, what the heck was the lesson to learn?? When Alyssa states, "As the day progressed, the more I saw the use of fear and intimidation to try to force conformity. Anyone who openly said they did not support homosexuality was then repeatedly questioned and drilled on why they thought that, and told that such thinking was not open-minded and therefore was unacceptable.

Maybe the lesson really was open-mindedness isn't a one-way street.

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I guess it is hard to be "open minded" toward intolerance and bigotry.

We aren't talking about simple opinion, to be respected. When someone's opinion is based on the lie that I, and a million gay kids, were born defective and should be denied equal treatment and equal rights, then that "opinion" doesn't deserve respect.

When an "opinion" actively harms others, particularly one based on fear and falsehood, it should never be accepted or respected.

Particularly by the people it is harming.
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Reading is a skill, Dasein9.
She's complaining because the people screaming for others to be open-minded are themselves the most close-minded out there. She did not have a problem with others expressing their opinion. And while she was referring to the close-minded students, the parents in this district are worse. I live in the Snoqualmie Valley School District and the pro-gay groups don't want to hear anything that might help our children get a better EDUCATION in our schools.

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Preventing Truth Decay wrote:
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LindaS. Judge not,Wake up and read the article. As for your comment about learning lessons, what the heck was the lesson to learn?? When Alyssa states, "As the day progressed, the more I saw the use of fear and intimidation to try to force conformity. Anyone who openly said they did not support homosexuality was then repeatedly questioned and drilled on why they thought that, and told that such thinking was not open-minded and therefore was unacceptable.
Maybe the lesson really was open-mindedness isn't a one-way street.
I did read the article and that is exactly my point. For one day, she felt in the minority and she felt pressured to conform. That's exactly the kind of thing gay students face EVERYDAY in schools all across this country. And it's not just in schools, but on jobs and even here in Topix forums. Read a little in the gay/lesbian forum and you will see. As for this author, if she had any empathy, she might realize that.
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I think the problem here is one of the author's misconception concerning the Day of Silence. Her response was, "No thanks. I do not support homosexuality". It should be noted that the Day of Silence is not a day of supporting or promoting homosexuality. It is a day for stating opposition to bullying, for whatever reason, including gayness. You may or may not approve of my sexuality, but by not speaking against the brutality, you are tacitly approving the bullying and murdering of innocent people like Lawrence King. I do not believe that the Christians, the TRUE Christians of this world would agree that being gay is deserving of the beatings and deaths that come as a result of the ignorance of others.
For if TRUE Christians really do believe that, the Christian church is in great peril.
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LindaS - you missed the point again...how are your LGBT brothers & sisters to enact a change in attitude in those that don't agree with them with the same prejudiced approaches they detest when used by a Christian! And please point out to us where teachers are allowed to openly wear symbols supporting anti-homosexual during school hours and during classroom time...

another local resident fed up with Snoqualmie Valley School District.....Denise

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Mom of Justin wrote:
LindaS - you missed the point again...how are your LGBT brothers & sisters to enact a change in attitude in those that don't agree with them with the same prejudiced approaches they detest when used by a Christian! And please point out to us where teachers are allowed to openly wear symbols supporting anti-homosexual during school hours and during classroom time...
another local resident fed up with Snoqualmie Valley School District.....Denise
So explain to me Denise, what would YOU like them to do?
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LindaS wrote:
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So explain to me Denise, what would YOU like them to do?
Well Linda, for a start, many of us that actually live and have children attending this school district would like to see a stop to things like teachers taking positions during school hours and during class time. One of my sons friends said one of his teachers didn't talk during last year's Day of Silence. This school is a PUBLICLY FUNDED school and we are paying that teachers salary to make a statement about their beliefs? What if the Science teacher decided, as a Christian believing in intelligent design, he wanted to remain silent on the days were evolution were to be taught/discussed?

Over 35% of the school did not attend that day due to "pressures to support the Day of Silence"! This whole thing started here when the teacher advisor to the Mt Si LGBT student union (designated as a club like any other school club) heckled Pastor Hutchinson when, invited by the School Administration, he was giving a speech on MLK day..."These are "in your face" tactics that we are seeing more and more by the like of Code Pink and GLSEN.... get your facts in order before you talk the party line, "can't we all just get along..

LindaS - do you have school age children? Why is this story important to you when you don't live here or even know the facts leading up to the reasons this 15 year girl took this on publicly and to have people like you judge her from 3000 miles away?? My husband says there are people that just "troll" the boards looking to argue...are you just one of those trolls?

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Mom of Justin - take a look at LindaS's profile and you will quickly realize that, as a Topix member with over 1300 postings,she posts just under 8 times a day since joining 174 days ago and those posts are exclusively in the gay/lesbian news threads...she is a troll with her mind on one subject it appears... IMHO we are just going to hear more "GSLEN talking points" from a troll 3000 miles away....put her on your "ignore" list.

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Preventing Truth Decay wrote:
Mom of Justin - take a look at LindaS's profile and you will quickly realize that, as a Topix member with over 1300 postings,she posts just under 8 times a day since joining 174 days ago and those posts are exclusively in the gay/lesbian news threads...she is a troll with her mind on one subject it appears... IMHO we are just going to hear more "GSLEN talking points" from a troll 3000 miles away....put her on your "ignore" list.
This is a definition of an internet troll from Wikipedia:

"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]"

What your definition seems to be saying is anyone with an interest in a subject that discusses the subject is a troll.

The subject is "open-mindedness". That would imply that you read what the other person says and respond with your own thoughts. If you don't agree with those thoughts you have a right to say so without implying someone is passing along some 'talking points'. After all what they are discussing may be from personal experience.

Do you have something a normal person would consider worthy of discussion?
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I agree with Denise that our school was "held hostage" for a day. We kept our daughter out that day when she felt the same way that Alyssa felt. Why does this have to happen during school hours?

and PTD is right in asking why are all these people from Florida commenting on our school district issues?
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I agree with Denise that our school was "held hostage" for a day. We kept our daughter out that day when she felt the same way that Alyssa felt. Why does this have to happen during school hours?
and PTD is right in asking why are all these people from Florida commenting on our school district issues?
Because we are all part of a larger family that cares deeply that the rights of everyone in that family should be protected.

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I agree with Denise that our school was "held hostage" for a day. We kept our daughter out that day when she felt the same way that Alyssa felt. Why does this have to happen during school hours?
and PTD is right in asking why are all these people from Florida commenting on our school district issues?
Bigotry, harassment, and discrimination happen during the school day, that is the whole point of the "Day of Silence". You felt your school was held hostage, well imagine that feeling happening everyday to a student who is required to attend school, and harassed and bullied on a daily basis.

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devons wrote:
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This is a definition of an internet troll from Wikipedia:
"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]"
What your definition seems to be saying is anyone with an interest in a subject that discusses the subject is a troll.

Do you have something a normal person would consider worthy of discussion?
Devons- thanks for making my point. LindaS's posts were IMHO "the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.", hence baiting and hence she's a troll....

and I see you are not above swinging some bait of your own with quotes like "Do you have something a normal person would consider worthy of discussion?" are you a troll or just Linda's alter ego?
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Ralph wrote:
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Because we are all part of a larger family that cares deeply that the rights of everyone in that family should be protected.
What is the definition of your "larger family" and does it include Christ-followers? And how exactly are you Ralph "caring deeply" about the rights of my child to not have role model such as the Mt Si teachers publically taking stand on issues such as this?

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