IndyGo adding Carmel express, eyes Hendricks, Johnson

IndyGo is adding an express commuter route in Carmel, and has its sights on either Hendricks or Johnson counties for a third route. Full Story
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Andrea

United States

#1 Dec 11, 2007
"The buses also will be motor coaches, which are more appropriate for longer drives that donít require frequent stops, she said. The buses used for regular stop-and-go routes within Indianapolis are built differently."

This statement is such a crock. I've regularly ridden express routes in other cities and they use the same exact busses as on the regular routes. Indygo is creating a two-tiered system, one for the haves and one for the have nots. Yes, the money for these routes is coming from a different funding source but that doesn't explain why I can't ride a regular route on a bus that is clean and odor free yet the suburban residents have luxury (comparatively) coaches. The idea that a regular bus isn't appropriate for these routes is a fallacy.
Some Jack

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Dec 11, 2007
I'll ride this bus, 2 bucks sounds like a bargain to me with high gas prices etc.....
mykidzmom

Mccordsville, IN

#3 Dec 11, 2007
Hope Hancock County is next on their list.
well then

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Dec 11, 2007
Andrea wrote:
"The buses also will be motor coaches, which are more appropriate for longer drives that donít require frequent stops, she said. The buses used for regular stop-and-go routes within Indianapolis are built differently."
This statement is such a crock. I've regularly ridden express routes in other cities and they use the same exact busses as on the regular routes. Indygo is creating a two-tiered system, one for the haves and one for the have nots. Yes, the money for these routes is coming from a different funding source but that doesn't explain why I can't ride a regular route on a bus that is clean and odor free yet the suburban residents have luxury (comparatively) coaches. The idea that a regular bus isn't appropriate for these routes is a fallacy.
Get a grip Andrea, the "haves" won't be riding the bus.
Karen

United States

#5 Dec 11, 2007
Wow! I can't wait. I'd rather take the bus, but they don't go to Carmel. I'll use this. Thanks.
Time Will Tell

Indianapolis, IN

#6 Dec 11, 2007
[QUOTE who="Andrea]"This statement is such a crock. I've regularly ridden express routes in other cities and they use the same exact busses as on the regular routes. Indygo is creating a two-tiered system, one for the haves and one for the have nots. Yes, the money for these routes is coming from a different funding source but that doesn't explain why I can't ride a regular route on a bus that is clean and odor free yet the suburban residents have luxury (comparatively) coaches. The idea that a regular bus isn't appropriate for these routes is a fallacy."[/QUOTE]

Only time will tell if the uppity snobbish Carmelites will utilize this new opportunity. My best guess is the 'motor coaches' traveling from Carmel will be mostly empty. Good luck with prying the Carmel residents out of their Land Rovers. They've rightly earned their reputation and groom it lovingly. It's a shame these public funds are not being directly allocated for 'real people' who need and would appreciate and benefit from this service.
haves dont ride buses

West Lafayette, IN

#8 Dec 11, 2007
Andrea wrote:
"Indygo is creating a two-tiered system, one for the haves and one for the have nots."
HAHAHA, thanks for making my morning! I'm sure the company execs are all going to give up their luxury cars and private parking garages and choose to ride the bus instead!
Andrea wrote:
"Yes, the money for these routes is coming from a different funding source but that doesn't explain why I can't ride a regular route on a bus that is clean and odor free yet the suburban residents have luxury (comparatively) coaches."


Its called economics... there is no way people in Carmel are going to give up the convenience and time savings of driving themselves if they don't at least have nice buses. Anyway, if they are going to pay more, why shouldn't they get more.

You complain your city buses are nasty and stinky... guess how they got that way? Thats right, the riders made it that way. Now ask yourself what incentive IndyGo has to put upholstered seats in buses with that clientele.

My guess is this will fail anyway.
CoolCat

Carmel, IN

#9 Dec 11, 2007
Time Will Tell wrote:
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Only time will tell if the uppity snobbish Carmelites will utilize this new opportunity. My best guess is the 'motor coaches' traveling from Carmel will be mostly empty. Good luck with prying the Carmel residents out of their Land Rovers. They've rightly earned their reputation and groom it lovingly. It's a shame these public funds are not being directly allocated for 'real people' who need and would appreciate and benefit from this service.
A little bitter aren't we?:-P A good chunk of the people living in Carmel are middle class (A house in a suburbia doesn't equate to wealth). With the rising cost of gas I can certainly see this route being a success.
HereTheyCome

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Dec 11, 2007
the first Carmel soccer mom complaining about "this will bring crime to Carmel" coming to us in 3.. 2... 1...
IPS graduates 52 percent

Greens Fork, IN

#11 Dec 11, 2007
[QUOTE who="Andrea]This statement is such a crock. I've regularly ridden express routes in other cities and they use the same exact busses as on the regular routes. Indygo is creating a two-tiered system, one for the haves and one for the have nots. Yes, the money for these routes is coming from a different funding source but that doesn't explain why I can't ride a regular route on a bus that is clean and odor free yet the suburban residents have luxury (comparatively) coaches. The idea that a regular bus isn't appropriate for these routes is a fallacy.[/QUOTE]

Feel free to move to the Ďburbs to ride a nice bus, or use whatís available to you. Do you really think you are going to get people in Carmel to ride dirty smelly bus (your description) to downtown? The people in Carmel are riding the bus not because they canít afford a car, but because they are trying to be environmentally friendly and get business done on the way to work.
POH

Marysville, OH

#12 Dec 11, 2007
Time Will Tell wrote:
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Only time will tell if the uppity snobbish Carmelites will utilize this new opportunity. My best guess is the 'motor coaches' traveling from Carmel will be mostly empty. Good luck with prying the Carmel residents out of their Land Rovers. They've rightly earned their reputation and groom it lovingly. It's a shame these public funds are not being directly allocated for 'real people' who need and would appreciate and benefit from this service.
It's called the pursuit of happiness and some folks are better at it than you. Here's a hint ... it has nothing to do with money.
mab

Luftenberg, Austria

#13 Dec 11, 2007
I would take the bus, I would love to take the bus, but the service offered is not up to my standards, which include not being stranded downtown between 8 am and 4 pm (when no buses are being scheduled) when I only have business downtown for an hour or two - and what is offered for the folks who have an appointment at 2 pm: they have to get the bus at 8 and hang around for 5 hours...
Then we come to the price. Successful conversion to commuting by public transportation requires some benefit for regular use, like weekly, monthly and even yearly tickets.
I also did not see that one can change from the express route to other IndyGo routes in town on the same ticket, not everyone is going exactly where the few express bus stops are located.(But I may have missed that explanation.)
JEF

Indianapolis, IN

#14 Dec 11, 2007
haves dont ride buses wrote:
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HAHAHA, thanks for making my morning! I'm sure the company execs are all going to give up their luxury cars and private parking garages and choose to ride the bus instead!
<quoted text>
Its called economics... there is no way people in Carmel are going to give up the convenience and time savings of driving themselves if they don't at least have nice buses. Anyway, if they are going to pay more, why shouldn't they get more.
You complain your city buses are nasty and stinky... guess how they got that way? Thats right, the riders made it that way. Now ask yourself what incentive IndyGo has to put upholstered seats in buses with that clientele.
My guess is this will fail anyway.
Let me see, IndyGo is going to start a non-stop express bus from Carmel to downtown using new motor coach busses when they can not get the people who have to depend on bus transportation from the East side to downtown without having to changing busses at lease twice and wait for up an hour between busses? Why is IndyGo bringing deluxe bus service to Hamilton County when it is funded in part (a large part) by the taxpayers of Marion County, who citizens it is not serving now? A lot of these people in Carmel left Indianapolis because they did not want to associate with the type of people who have to depend on the bus for transportation. Do the terms classiest or raciest come to any bodies mind?
Voice Of Reason

Indianapolis, IN

#15 Dec 11, 2007
If the good citizen's of Carmel (and Fishers for that matter) want a cheap commute to their Downtown Indy jobs, they should move to Indy!
Fat Boy Slim

Indianapolis, IN

#16 Dec 11, 2007
Some of you people are pathetic. Look, getting people to ride in mass transit, whether it's on a coach bus or a friggin golden chariot, is the point. This is about reducing traffic, pollution and dependence on individual driving. EVERYONE benefits. Good for Carmel, good for Fishers, good for Hendricks county (maybe). For those of you that are strangely jealous, don't complain and go do something about it. Get your city council(s) to look at the ICE routes and see if it works for you. Why not applaud Fishers and Carmel for taking the lead?
About time

Indianapolis, IN

#17 Dec 11, 2007
As much as Fishers and Carmel want to become growing cities unto themselves, a lack of infrastructure should have been implemented years ago.
Unless you have a car, you have no other way of living or working in Hamilton. The buses are a necessity for those "have nots" who have to commute Carmel and Fishers for low-paying incomes.
Brainard should have thought about this before wasting money on things specifically for the city's image of wealth and avarice.
Java

Louisville, KY

#18 Dec 11, 2007
Interesting that the best service Indygo has ever come up with, is a result of subcontracting.

“Victory is Mine”

Since: Jun 07

Greenwood

#19 Dec 11, 2007
To your last question:

Nope...not unless a race-baiter points it out...
JEF wrote:
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Let me see, IndyGo is going to start a non-stop express bus from Carmel to downtown using new motor coach busses when they can not get the people who have to depend on bus transportation from the East side to downtown without having to changing busses at lease twice and wait for up an hour between busses? Why is IndyGo bringing deluxe bus service to Hamilton County when it is funded in part (a large part) by the taxpayers of Marion County, who citizens it is not serving now? A lot of these people in Carmel left Indianapolis because they did not want to associate with the type of people who have to depend on the bus for transportation. Do the terms classiest or raciest come to any bodies mind?
SLee

Martinsville, IN

#20 Dec 11, 2007
light rail? anyone? anyone?
Rob

Carmel, IN

#21 Dec 11, 2007
SLee wrote:
light rail? anyone? anyone?
I will pay for it in Marion County, a light rail from the airport to downtown would be nice but who is going to pay for it outside of marion county? There are too many towns/cities that will not want to increase their taxes to pay for it. But hey you can walk on the monon,(would have been the most appropriate for light rail)

Why indy go even cares about the outlying cities is beyond me. I agree with previous posters if my taxes are paying for Indygo why are they wasting my money on the donut counties that don't contribute? The outlying counties created the problem (wonder why 69 expansion stops at 96th street) by not lobbying to improve their infrastructure. Why now is Marion county trying to help out the donut counties with my taxes and federal grants?

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