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#1 Sep 9, 2011
Jail limits rights

http://www.fbnewsleader.com/articles/2011/09/...

The Nassau County Jail in Yulee, Florida now requires sending postcards instead of regular mail to inmates. The article touches on economics and taxes.

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#2 Sep 10, 2011
oh Boo hoo.

With how the world is getting. It was just a matter of time before they did this. You never know what may be in one of those letters. It only takes one letter with a dangerous poison in it to kill a person. Safety first.

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#3 Sep 10, 2011
I meant to put this in an economy thread, not Economy, IN.

It infringes on their civil rights and yes they do still have some civil rights while incarcerated despite what you may believe. The ACLU has challenged this law in many counties based on legitimate constitutional arguments and the ACLU doesn't just take any case but ones they know they have a good chance of winning so if the ACLU is involved then there is a good chance the ACLU is right about the violation.

You never know if you might be put in jail one day, anyone could be. You don't have to be guilty of a crime to be arrested.

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#4 Sep 10, 2011
And what right are they taking away? They have to write on a postcard instead of a piece of paper.

You can get plain postcards for pennies if you look.

In that article it says "why make things more difficult by instituting this policy and forcing even a bigger financial strain on this economy?"

It doesn't seem to stop people from buying thousands of dollars is cigarettes and alcohol each year.

No... Let the people keep sending letters in envelopes and one day a family member that works at a prison will come home sick and die. All because it took just one person to send a letter with anthrax in it. Just use a postcard and everyone will be safe.

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#5 Sep 10, 2011
YouLoseIWin wrote:
And what right are they taking away? They have to write on a postcard instead of a piece of paper.
You can get plain postcards for pennies if you look.
In that article it says "why make things more difficult by instituting this policy and forcing even a bigger financial strain on this economy?"
It doesn't seem to stop people from buying thousands of dollars is cigarettes and alcohol each year.
No... Let the people keep sending letters in envelopes and one day a family member that works at a prison will come home sick and die. All because it took just one person to send a letter with anthrax in it. Just use a postcard and everyone will be safe.
That is extremely rare and I'm sure they have a way of checking mail safely. It's just an excuse because they have animus towards inmates whether they are innocent or guilty. You know there is a vaccine for anthrax to prevent such things. I grow tired of all the conservative scare tactics and all this what if, what if B.S. They come up with scare tactics against equality for gays too. I'm not saying that there aren't people that deserve to be in jail but they still have some rights and so do their loved ones. What the hell can one write on something as small as a postcard?! Some things are personal and you know that the guard is going to read them but you don't want the postman and everyone else in the world to. The ACLU has challenged this policy in many counties.

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#6 Sep 10, 2011
Read this:

http://www.aclu.org/prisoners-rights/aclu-fil...

http://www.aclufl.org/pdfs/PostcardPolicy-092...

http://www.waltonsun.com/articles/rosa-87150-...

From the article(s):

""Under the postcard-only policy Martin Luther King Jr. could not have sent the letter he sent from the Birmingham Jail on April 16, 1963, to his fellow clergymen. This postcard-only policy punishes inmates as well as their friends and family who reside outside the jail and have not been accused of any crime.""

"Both telephone and in-person conversations are easily overheard by fellow inmates, guards and other visitors, leaving closed letter correspondence as the only confidential way to communicate with family and other loved ones."

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#7 Sep 11, 2011
equalityboy81 wrote:
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That is extremely rare and I'm sure they have a way of checking mail safely. It's just an excuse because they have animus towards inmates whether they are innocent or guilty. You know there is a vaccine for anthrax to prevent such things. I grow tired of all the conservative scare tactics and all this what if, what if B.S. They come up with scare tactics against equality for gays too. I'm not saying that there aren't people that deserve to be in jail but they still have some rights and so do their loved ones. What the hell can one write on something as small as a postcard?! Some things are personal and you know that the guard is going to read them but you don't want the postman and everyone else in the world to. The ACLU has challenged this policy in many counties.
You still didn't answer my question. What right are they taking away? They have to write on a postcard instead of a piece of paper. So what, the prison systems will still open the letters. it's just another thing americans can b*tch about (like we don't have enough of that already). You can get postcards for pennies with postage already on them vs a letter, paper, and stamp. Prison isn't suppose to be fun your there to do time HARD TIME. People have their freedoms taken away every day. Did you read the story where Green day front man Billie Joe Armstrong got thrown off a plane because his pants where to low and showing a little bit of underwear? Point is once your in prison you play by their rules. If you don't like it then you shouldn't have done something to get yourself into that spot in the first place. No one to blame but yourself.

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#8 Sep 11, 2011
equalityboy81 wrote:
Read this:
http://www.aclu.org/prisoners-rights/aclu-fil...
http://www.aclufl.org/pdfs/PostcardPolicy-092...
http://www.waltonsun.com/articles/rosa-87150-...
From the article(s):
""Under the postcard-only policy Martin Luther King Jr. could not have sent the letter he sent from the Birmingham Jail on April 16, 1963, to his fellow clergymen. This postcard-only policy punishes inmates as well as their friends and family who reside outside the jail and have not been accused of any crime.""
"Both telephone and in-person conversations are easily overheard by fellow inmates, guards and other visitors, leaving closed letter correspondence as the only confidential way to communicate with family and other loved ones."
Like I'm going to read all of that.

"Under the postcard-only policy Martin Luther King Jr. could not have sent the letter he sent from the Birmingham Jail on April 16, 1963, to his fellow clergymen."

To bad this isn't 1963 anymore. Times change and with it so do laws. People fighting this are doing the same thing and drawing attention away from the real matter at hand. What next are you going to throw the bible into the mix to? It's a simple postcard. People use them all the time for important items what makes what the inmates write so important. Once your in jail you have your rights taken away plain and simple.

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#9 Sep 11, 2011
YouLoseIWin wrote:
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You still didn't answer my question. What right are they taking away? They have to write on a postcard instead of a piece of paper. So what, the prison systems will still open the letters. it's just another thing americans can b*tch about (like we don't have enough of that already). You can get postcards for pennies with postage already on them vs a letter, paper, and stamp. Prison isn't suppose to be fun your there to do time HARD TIME. People have their freedoms taken away every day. Did you read the story where Green day front man Billie Joe Armstrong got thrown off a plane because his pants where to low and showing a little bit of underwear? Point is once your in prison you play by their rules. If you don't like it then you shouldn't have done something to get yourself into that spot in the first place. No one to blame but yourself.
Well the ACLU apparently feels rights are being infringed upon. We'll have to wait and see what the courts say.

There are some quotes and links on this thread for you to look at on the first page of the thread that way I'm not posting all the same stuff I did before.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/yulee-fl/TT4K...

It shows in these artices/ACLU links why they are saying it is unconstitutional. There are many arguments against the policy made by them and inmates and their loved ones. I'm not an attorney so I'm saying whether is it constitutional or not but I believe more in the possibility that it is unconstitutional. Why are they doing this stuff in county jails and not prisons? You think it would be the other way around.

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#10 Sep 11, 2011
YouLoseIWin wrote:
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Like I'm going to read all of that.
"Under the postcard-only policy Martin Luther King Jr. could not have sent the letter he sent from the Birmingham Jail on April 16, 1963, to his fellow clergymen."
To bad this isn't 1963 anymore. Times change and with it so do laws. People fighting this are doing the same thing and drawing attention away from the real matter at hand. What next are you going to throw the bible into the mix to? It's a simple postcard. People use them all the time for important items what makes what the inmates write so important. Once your in jail you have your rights taken away plain and simple.
There is a lot of prejudice against inmates and I see why but most people have them convicted in their mind before the courts do. People are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. No one should be punished before they are convicted. Not everyone can afford to bond out or it is better for them financially to stay in jail until after trial or when they drop the charges. While I don't agree with the postcard policy it would make more sense for it to be in prisons and/or only apply to inmates in jails who have been convicted. What if the majority of people are against this policy? Why is it that politicians get to control everything based on their personal views? Not every inmate in county jails are guilty or convicted. Yes rights are limited in jail but there are certain rights that cannot be taken away regardless according to the constitution. The ACLU has also challenged jails who only allow the bible (excluding all other religions but the Christian faith) or didn't allow any religious material. In the article this thread is about Ms. Davis made good points in how this policy harms the economy and is not fiscally conservative.

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#11 Sep 11, 2011
YouLoseIWin wrote:
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You still didn't answer my question. What right are they taking away? They have to write on a postcard instead of a piece of paper. So what, the prison systems will still open the letters. it's just another thing americans can b*tch about (like we don't have enough of that already). You can get postcards for pennies with postage already on them vs a letter, paper, and stamp. Prison isn't suppose to be fun your there to do time HARD TIME. People have their freedoms taken away every day. Did you read the story where Green day front man Billie Joe Armstrong got thrown off a plane because his pants where to low and showing a little bit of underwear? Point is once your in prison you play by their rules. If you don't like it then you shouldn't have done something to get yourself into that spot in the first place. No one to blame but yourself.
We are talking about jails here not prisons but in any incarceration all inmates should have reasonable accommodations and be safe, free of violence, and in good health (and that means emotional and mental health as well). It seems like society has total disregard for one's mental and emotional health. I thought incarceration was about rehabilitation, but we all know that is a bunch of BS. Not everyone in prison or jail is bad. Some have made some mistakes with drugs or have drug addictions. I'm not saying the are role models but not everyone in there is inherently bad or evil. Some people are incarcerated when they should just be on probation, in drug rehab, paying fines, or doing community service. Sometimes these things would save tax payers money. Jail isn't the answer to everything. It costs tax payers to feed inmates and shower them and electricity. It would do good for ones who aren't flight risks to be cleaning up the streets and doing community service hours and that would cost tax payers a lot less.

I didn't hear about the Billie Armstrong. I'd like to look into that. While the sagging looks stupid on some and I don't really look highly on it as long as people are covering their privates I don't see what the issue is and that has also been challenged as unconstitutional. Of course I'm sure I'll be labeled as a liberal like conservative is somehow good and better and liberal is bad and naughty. I think it's stupid too how guys sag and I know a lot of black guys do it. I think some of this singling out of saggers has some deep down racism behind it by politicians. If I'm not mistaken Billie is a black man. These anti-sagging laws are usually made by deep southern politicians in the southern states.

Where can you get postcards for pennies with postage paid?

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#12 Sep 11, 2011
*I didn't hear about the Billie Armstrong situation.

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#13 Sep 11, 2011
equalityboy81 wrote:
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Well the ACLU apparently feels rights are being infringed upon. We'll have to wait and see what the courts say.
There are some quotes and links on this thread for you to look at on the first page of the thread that way I'm not posting all the same stuff I did before.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/yulee-fl/TT4K...
It shows in these artices/ACLU links why they are saying it is unconstitutional. There are many arguments against the policy made by them and inmates and their loved ones. I'm not an attorney so I'm saying whether is it constitutional or not but I believe more in the possibility that it is unconstitutional. Why are they doing this stuff in county jails and not prisons? You think it would be the other way around.
"Why are they doing this stuff in county jails and not prisons? You think it would be the other way around."

Got me there. Who knows why.

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Since: Mar 11

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#14 Sep 11, 2011
equalityboy81 wrote:
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We are talking about jails here not prisons but in any incarceration all inmates should have reasonable accommodations and be safe, free of violence, and in good health (and that means emotional and mental health as well). It seems like society has total disregard for one's mental and emotional health. I thought incarceration was about rehabilitation, but we all know that is a bunch of BS. Not everyone in prison or jail is bad. Some have made some mistakes with drugs or have drug addictions. I'm not saying the are role models but not everyone in there is inherently bad or evil. Some people are incarcerated when they should just be on probation, in drug rehab, paying fines, or doing community service. Sometimes these things would save tax payers money. Jail isn't the answer to everything. It costs tax payers to feed inmates and shower them and electricity. It would do good for ones who aren't flight risks to be cleaning up the streets and doing community service hours and that would cost tax payers a lot less.
I didn't hear about the Billie Armstrong. I'd like to look into that. While the sagging looks stupid on some and I don't really look highly on it as long as people are covering their privates I don't see what the issue is and that has also been challenged as unconstitutional. Of course I'm sure I'll be labeled as a liberal like conservative is somehow good and better and liberal is bad and naughty. I think it's stupid too how guys sag and I know a lot of black guys do it. I think some of this singling out of saggers has some deep down racism behind it by politicians. If I'm not mistaken Billie is a black man. These anti-sagging laws are usually made by deep southern politicians in the southern states.
Where can you get postcards for pennies with postage paid?
"If I'm not mistaken Billie is a black man."

LOL... You don't listen to much puck-rock music do you. No... He's White.

"Where can you get postcards for pennies with postage paid?"

I can get them at my local post office here. Just plain Jane postcards. I guess what ever the stamp cost is at the time is what you pay.

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#15 Sep 11, 2011
equalityboy81 wrote:
*I didn't hear about the Billie Armstrong situation.
It's a good read. You can check it out here. http://wonderwall.msn.com/music/billie-joe-ar...

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#16 Sep 11, 2011
YouLoseIWin wrote:
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"If I'm not mistaken Billie is a black man."
LOL... You don't listen to much puck-rock music do you. No... He's White.
"Where can you get postcards for pennies with postage paid?"
I can get them at my local post office here. Just plain Jane postcards. I guess what ever the stamp cost is at the time is what you pay.
Oh you still have to pay postage costs then. I was thinking there was a cheaper deal than that. When it comes to mail though postage always has to be paid. And now that we have internet and email postage costs more and understandably.

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#17 Sep 11, 2011
YouLoseIWin wrote:
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"If I'm not mistaken Billie is a black man."
LOL... You don't listen to much puck-rock music do you. No... He's White.
"Where can you get postcards for pennies with postage paid?"
I can get them at my local post office here. Just plain Jane postcards. I guess what ever the stamp cost is at the time is what you pay.
I like pop-rock and stuff from the Top 40 from the late 60's to the early 2000's. Today's Top 40 sucks. I don't see how kids can listen to it and think these artists have any talent. Where's their taste!? I despise rap and hip hop.

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#18 Sep 11, 2011
It's ironic you brought up that Billie Armstrong subject because I ran across this an article today about saggers on Topix:

Baggy Pants Law from Bill Sponsor Orlando Sen. Gary Siplin to First Coast

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jacksonville-...

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/article/21...

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/comments/218203...

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#19 Sep 11, 2011
I agree with policies about not sagging in businesses, workplaces, and school but I don't how they can enforce it legally outside of that like beaches and public places, parks, etc.

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#20 Sep 11, 2011
Oh I just read he was from Green Day. I do like some of Green Day's songs.

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