Western Pa. Child Rapist Faces Up To 40 Years

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Share + Jul 3, 2009 7:58 am US/Eastern EBENSBURG, Pa. A western Pennsylvania man faces up to 40 years in prison for twice raping a 6-year-old girl in his home, holding a pillow over her face when she cried and then forcing her to bathe to get rid of evidence of the attacks. Read more
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“Obama is a Liar, Period!”

Since: Jan 07

Pittsburgh, PA

#1 Jul 3, 2009
40 years???

They just strung a heavy cable across the river for a high wire act. Why not keep it there and hang this idiot from the wire and let the body swing. There are a few more of these sub-humans in the system that we could hang up there as well, and, if we get new ones, hang them up there too.
If we hang a few of these useless dodo's when they commit this BS, there's got to be one or two that'll think a little bit about the kid that they grab. Priests, teachers, pastors, and everyone who works with kids could join their ilk on the wire should they do the same thing. Only fit punishment that I can think of, it's no good to cut their balls off, they have none to begin with.

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#2 Jul 3, 2009
Old Cynic wrote:
If we hang a few of these useless dodo's when they commit this BS, there's got to be one or two that'll think a little bit about the kid that they grab.
Out of all the western world, our country puts to death more people each year. Yet are violent and sexual crime statistics trump the entire free world. Sentencing Americans to death does not deter crime, even heinous crime. If anything, it encourages it.

Capital punishment is ethically and morally wrong. Almost everyone in the western world understands this but Americans (mostly the "pro-lifers") refuse to accept this fact.

With that all being said, this man is a scumbag. He deserves every year he received and then some. But to kill him? Come on now Cynic, this is Pittsburgh, not Tehran. We live in America, not Saudi Arabia.

“Obama is a Liar, Period!”

Since: Jan 07

Pittsburgh, PA

#3 Jul 3, 2009
Freddy Pickle wrote:
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Out of all the western world, our country puts to death more people each year. Yet are violent and sexual crime statistics trump the entire free world. Sentencing Americans to death does not deter crime, even heinous crime. If anything, it encourages it.
Capital punishment is ethically and morally wrong. Almost everyone in the western world understands this but Americans (mostly the "pro-lifers") refuse to accept this fact.
With that all being said, this man is a scumbag. He deserves every year he received and then some. But to kill him? Come on now Cynic, this is Pittsburgh, not Tehran. We live in America, not Saudi Arabia.
Sorry, but this is a child we're talking about here. This dodo shouldn't even breathe the same air as civilized humans. There's got to be a special punishment for these animals. "Bleeding heart" justice and compassion just doesn't apply here. He's not re-trainable, he's feral and should be treated the same as any animal with rabies.

“Walk the Talk”

Since: Nov 07

Pittsburgh

#4 Jul 4, 2009
Hi FP. Speaking as a survivor of sexual abuse, I'd like people such as this male pay for the care that this little girl will need. She may not want to go to counseling at the moment for what ever reason. However, the day will come that she'll want...need to. I'm saying this across the board for any and all criminals really. Sitting in prison while their victims must pay for care, for example, is morally wrong.

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#5 Jul 5, 2009
Old Cynic wrote:
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Sorry, but this is a child we're talking about here. This dodo shouldn't even breathe the same air as civilized humans. There's got to be a special punishment for these animals. "Bleeding heart" justice and compassion just doesn't apply here. He's not re-trainable, he's feral and should be treated the same as any animal with rabies.
This is America, not Iran. Take your foolish third world mentality there if you do not like silly little things like ethics and morals.

He did the crime, now he's going to do the time. He's been punished and will spend the rest of his life in prison and probably die there.

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#6 Jul 5, 2009
LadyeHawke wrote:
Sitting in prison while their victims must pay for care, for example, is morally wrong.
So we should let them walk free while their victims must pay for care? How does that help anyone out? What else are we supposed to do with the criminal if you don't want him to sit in prison? You understand that prisons are not nice places, especially for child rapists, right? This scumbag will spend the rest of his life in prison, being abused and mistreated by other inmates and guards. The rest of his life will be very cruel indeed, which is what he deserves.

“Walk the Talk”

Since: Nov 07

Pittsburgh

#7 Jul 5, 2009
Freddy Pickle wrote:
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So we should let them walk free while their victims must pay for care? How does that help anyone out? What else are we supposed to do with the criminal if you don't want him to sit in prison? You understand that prisons are not nice places, especially for child rapists, right? This scumbag will spend the rest of his life in prison, being abused and mistreated by other inmates and guards. The rest of his life will be very cruel indeed, which is what he deserves.
FP, ahhh, indeed, you are a puzzlement to me. Sir, I'm not suggesting that those convicted of such henious crimes walk free. I'm merely commenting that they ought to also make reparations to their victims. I've had to pay out of my own pocket for my counseling. I'm just stating what I consider to be obvious... they ought to pay, not just in prison time; they ought to pay financially.

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#8 Jul 6, 2009
LadyeHawke wrote:
<quoted text>FP, ahhh, indeed, you are a puzzlement to me. Sir, I'm not suggesting that those convicted of such henious crimes walk free. I'm merely commenting that they ought to also make reparations to their victims. I've had to pay out of my own pocket for my counseling. I'm just stating what I consider to be obvious... they ought to pay, not just in prison time; they ought to pay financially.
Last time I checked, they do in reparations. Unfortunately, that money doesn't go to the victims, it goes to the state. But how is this man supposed to pay anything if he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison and probably die there?

“Walk the Talk”

Since: Nov 07

Pittsburgh

#10 Jul 6, 2009
Freddy Pickle wrote:
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Last time I checked, they do in reparations. Unfortunately, that money doesn't go to the victims, it goes to the state. But how is this man supposed to pay anything if he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison and probably die there?
This is the problem. In my humble opinion, our justice system is in dire need of a serious overhaul. Any reparations ought to go to the victims; not the state. I've had much time to think this through, FP. I don't speak lightly about perpetrators or victims. In the case of abuse, in most situations, perpetrators are themselves survivors of abuse. My father came out of a violent, abusive home. We suffered from his violent outbursts. Now, those who have been convicted of such violent crimes...what are we, as a society, to do? As I've received counseling, I understand the importance of such help. The way our system is set up, convicted perpetrators receive little help, if I'm correct. At the very least, they may have 12 Step meetings...better than nothing. To be in such an atmosphere, though, how can anyone truly change for the better? It seems to me that we're creating more hardened criminals. These are just some of my thoughts. I think for a survivor of violent abuse, I'm viewing this situation rather well. I don't want them to be harmed, you understand. They've already experienced that. Yet, they must make some kind of "payment" for the harm they caused others. Victims must be remembered also. This is where I see monetary payments come in...at the very least.

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#11 Jul 6, 2009
I'm all for victim's rights. But not at the expense of everyone else's rights. And not at the expense of the Constitution.

“Walk the Talk”

Since: Nov 07

Pittsburgh

#12 Jul 7, 2009
Hi FP. Interesting that you mention the Constitution. Some years ago, I attended a gathering of folks who appeared on KDKA. The topic was pornography. I shared briefly how I had been sexually assaulted. Following the TV broadcast, two ACLU members made a point to inform me that Amendments #4 and #14 did not apply to me. There was no compassion, no understanding; they spoke matter-of-factly. As the fourth Amendment deals with unreasonable searches and the forteenth Section 1 deals with abridging priviledges or immunities of citizens, to this day, I don't understand their comment. I'm not requesting another's rights to be removed; I'm simpling reminding people to please remember the victim. That's all.

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#13 Jul 7, 2009
LadyeHawke wrote:
Hi FP. Interesting that you mention the Constitution. Some years ago, I attended a gathering of folks who appeared on KDKA. The topic was pornography. I shared briefly how I had been sexually assaulted. Following the TV broadcast, two ACLU members made a point to inform me that Amendments #4 and #14 did not apply to me. There was no compassion, no understanding; they spoke matter-of-factly.
Thats because they were telling you the facts, the facts that you should already know if you're going to try to play lawyer with the Constitution and a flock of ACLU attorneys.

Victims are not mentioned in the Constitution. But they do not need to be, as victims are not the one's who's rights have historically been violated. More importantly, the 4th and 14th do apply to you, just probably not in the context you were expecting them to.
LadyeHawke wrote:
As the fourth Amendment deals with unreasonable searches and the forteenth Section 1 deals with abridging priviledges or immunities of citizens, to this day, I don't understand their comment.
Sexual assault is not an "unreasonable search and seizure", which is what the 4th protects you and I from. And the 14th basically ensures that all of us are treated the same way by the government.
LadyeHawke wrote:
I'm not requesting another's rights to be removed; I'm simpling reminding people to please remember the victim. That's all.
Victims are not mentioned in the Constitution. But they do not need to be, as victims are not the one's who's rights have historically been violated. More importantly, the 4th and 14th do apply to you, just probably not in the context you were expecting them to.

“Obama is a Liar, Period!”

Since: Jan 07

Pittsburgh, PA

#14 Jul 7, 2009
When the Constitution was penned these animals would have been shot or hung and they would have never gotten to the "system". I have to believe that if the founders were around today, these types of crimes would still be handled the same way. And I'm sure that anyone who has a lick of common sense knows that there are people who just can't live among civilized folks and they need to be done away with. Not jailed and fed and clothed, but simply, done away with.

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#15 Jul 7, 2009
Old Cynic wrote:
When the Constitution was penned these animals would have been shot or hung and they would have never gotten to the "system". I have to believe that if the founders were around today, these types of crimes would still be handled the same way. And I'm sure that anyone who has a lick of common sense knows that there are people who just can't live among civilized folks and they need to be done away with. Not jailed and fed and clothed, but simply, done away with.
If you do not like it here, do not like our way of life and do not like our Constitution, why don't you just GTFO and go to Iran or Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or some other hellhole whose political leaders agree with your opinions on civil rights?

“Obama is a Liar, Period!”

Since: Jan 07

Pittsburgh, PA

#16 Jul 7, 2009
Freddy Pickle wrote:
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If you do not like it here, do not like our way of life and do not like our Constitution, why don't you just GTFO and go to Iran or Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or some other hellhole whose political leaders agree with your opinions on civil rights?
I can never accept the fact that a child rapist has "civil rights"! Civil rights are only granted to human beings, rapists of children are not human.

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#17 Jul 7, 2009
Old Cynic wrote:
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I can never accept the fact that a child rapist has "civil rights"! Civil rights are only granted to human beings, rapists of children are not human.
Then leave! If you don't like the Constitution and our way of life, just leave. I'm sure you'd fit in just right in Saudi Arabia or Iran. Along with child rapists, they also don't consider women, homosexuals or dissidants to be human, either. You'd love it there.

“Walk the Talk”

Since: Nov 07

Pittsburgh

#18 Jul 7, 2009
Old Cynic wrote:
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I can never accept the fact that a child rapist has "civil rights"! Civil rights are only granted to human beings, rapists of children are not human.
Thank you, Old Cynic. When I share my story in an audience, without fail at least one person will inquire as to how I was dressed and how I was acting. No compassion; no even wanting to understand how such a violent act could happen without much resistance on my part. I was about four years old when the incest began. What else is there to say? My parents are in denial that anything happened. My mother says that I'm a liar and that I'm crazy and should be locked up. My children --2 grown daughters & 2 grown sons -- have had no involvement with my parents since I severed connections with them some 25 yrs ago. They've run into them over the years and it has been ugly with my father making a big scene. Sooo, I am grateful for your willingness to share what you think. I can tell you that people such as you are few and far between.

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#19 Jul 7, 2009
LadyeHawke wrote:
Sooo, I am grateful for your willingness to share what you think. I can tell you that people such as you are few and far between.
Few and far between? There are 27m people in Saudi Arabia, 32m in Afghanistan, 70m people in Iran, 173m people in Pakistan and 922m people in Africa. These are the types of places that do not believe in civil rights the way we do. I would hardly call 1.224 BILLION people few and far between.

I feel for your abuse and the abuse of this young girl. But we are a nation of laws, not barbarity.

“Walk the Talk”

Since: Nov 07

Pittsburgh

#20 Jul 8, 2009
Freddy Pickle wrote:
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Few and far between? There are 27m people in Saudi Arabia, 32m in Afghanistan, 70m people in Iran, 173m people in Pakistan and 922m people in Africa. These are the types of places that do not believe in civil rights the way we do. I would hardly call 1.224 BILLION people few and far between.
I feel for your abuse and the abuse of this young girl. But we are a nation of laws, not barbarity.
Yes, sir...few and far between who have taken the time to speak with me when I've shared in a public forum. They tell me how sorry they are that that happened to me. It's not about the perpetrator, FP, it's about letting another human being know how they feel for what they went through...nothing more. That has been my experience. No talk about rights, etc. For in that situation, it's not the time to talk about our Constitution. I'll continue to share in public forums. And, only a few people will personally come up to express their sympathies. The others who share will be those who themselves are survivors of assaults. Few of them have gone into counseling for various reasons; I encourage them to get the help because they are worth it. They have a difficult time believing that.
George Christoff

Roseville, MI

#21 Oct 24, 2009
I say send him out in the prison yard, let the inmates beat him to death then send all the money the state saves to the victim. One thing I can promise you is that he will never escape and never rape again.

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