NJ governor 'rethinking' property tax deduction

Will be led. AP Photos EATONTOWN, N.J. _ New Jersey Gov. Jon S. Corzine says he is rethinking a budget proposal to eliminate the state income tax deduction for property taxes.

[Charles Murray]

I'm a proud Democrat and a longtime supporter of Corzine. All I can say is, if he doesn't rethink his proposal, he's doomed politically. I'm the type of voter that Democrats can count on: I've never missed an election since the day I turned 18 and voted for George McGovern.

It's not that I blindly vote Democratic, however. I simply believe in the issues the Democratic party stands for. I'm pro choice, pro stem cell research, I oppose the death penalty, I favor progressive taxation, I oppose the Bush foreign policy, and I favor universal healthcare. But if Corzine's proposal remains as stands, I'm considering voting for Christie, or better yet, for any Democratic candidate who can give Corzine a primary challenge and who opposes his plan. I don't find that Corzine has championed the middle class as the Democratic party should, and at this point, unless he changes my mind with swift policy changes that actually provide some relief for the middle class, in the absence of a Democratic challenger to Corzine in the primary, I'll vote Republican hoping for a one-term Republican governor followed by a Democrat that truly stands for the middle class.

I'm middle class, making over $75,000 and I've been struggling. I've delayed medical and dental work, and may soon lose teeth if I don't see a dentist.(I have medical and dental insurance, but it doesn't cover enough and I can't afford the co pays.) I have cups and bowls lined up in my attic to catch water where I have a leak and can't afford to fix my roof. My car needs repairs, but I'm driving it anyway because I commute but can't afford the repairs. In short, I'm in financial distress, and I can't afford to lose even more.

President Obama's plan calls for no tax raises for anyone making under $250,000 a year. That's a more reasonable number, and I can't imagine a person making over that struggles the way I do.

The Democratic party is supposed to be the champion of the middle class. If Corzine cannot meet that standard, I cannot support him. I owe it to myself and to my family. That tax rebate could be what I need to fix my roof, and the loss of the tax deduction could be what sends me into foreclosure. As a Democrat, I'm embarrassed by the Corzine plan, and only hope that he isn't too much of a drag on any down ticket Democratic candidates, especially in the House.

As for balancing the budget, let me make a suggestion here:

Republicans mantra is "cut spending!" I honestly believe that much spending has already been cut to the bone. If there's any actual fat, by all means, cut it, but don't cut necessary programs and make people suffer.

Instead, repeal the law that requires a balanced budget. Replace it with one that allows for a deficit during times of recession. It could be that, at least for the short term, we need the spending more than we need the balanced budget. Balance the budget during times of economic growth. This can be done, but it cannot be done if you are no longer in office because, by following the letter of the balanced budget law, you have made our citizens suffer enough to vote you out of office, so much that even the most ardent Democratic supporters like myself want you out.

Sincerely,
Charles M.

[Charles Murray]

Now, for a minor correction of an honest error in my previous post. I was typing too fast and and my thoughts were flowing so much, I mixed up my past Presidential elections.

When I turned 18, I voted for Walter Mondale. George McGovern was when I was a little kid.

Ah, how your memory goes when you're over 40.

Charles M.

[Oh ok]

Charles Murray wrote:

I'm a proud Democrat and a longtime supporter of Corzine. All I can say is, if he doesn't rethink his proposal, he's doomed politically. I'm the type of voter that Democrats can count on: I've never missed an election since the day I turned 18 and voted for George McGovern.
It's not that I blindly vote Democratic, however. I simply believe in the issues the Democratic party stands for. I'm pro choice, pro stem cell research, I oppose the death penalty, I favor progressive taxation, I oppose the Bush foreign policy, and I favor universal healthcare. But if Corzine's proposal remains as stands, I'm considering voting for Christie, or better yet, for any Democratic candidate who can give Corzine a primary challenge and who opposes his plan. I don't find that Corzine has championed the middle class as the Democratic party should, and at this point, unless he changes my mind with swift policy changes that actually provide some relief for the middle class, in the absence of a Democratic challenger to Corzine in the primary, I'll vote Republican hoping for a one-term Republican governor followed by a Democrat that truly stands for the middle class.
I'm middle class, making over $75,000 and I've been struggling. I've delayed medical and dental work, and may soon lose teeth if I don't see a dentist.(I have medical and dental insurance, but it doesn't cover enough and I can't afford the co pays.) I have cups and bowls lined up in my attic to catch water where I have a leak and can't afford to fix my roof. My car needs repairs, but I'm driving it anyway because I commute but can't afford the repairs. In short, I'm in financial distress, and I can't afford to lose even more.
President Obama's plan calls for no tax raises for anyone making under $250,000 a year. That's a more reasonable number, and I can't imagine a person making over that struggles the way I do.
The Democratic party is supposed to be the champion of the middle class. If Corzine cannot meet that standard, I cannot support him. I owe it to myself and to my family. That tax rebate could be what I need to fix my roof, and the loss of the tax deduction could be what sends me into foreclosure. As a Democrat, I'm embarrassed by the Corzine plan, and only hope that he isn't too much of a drag on any down ticket Democratic candidates, especially in the House.
As for balancing the budget, let me make a suggestion here:
Republicans mantra is "cut spending!" I honestly believe that much spending has already been cut to the bone. If there's any actual fat, by all means, cut it, but don't cut necessary programs and make people suffer.
Instead, repeal the law that requires a balanced budget. Replace it with one that allows for a deficit during times of recession. It could be that, at least for the short term, we need the spending more than we need the balanced budget. Balance the budget during times of economic growth. This can be done, but it cannot be done if you are no longer in office because, by following the letter of the balanced budget law, you have made our citizens suffer enough to vote you out of office, so much that even the most ardent Democratic supporters like myself want you out.
Sincerely,
Charles M.

It's Libs like you that have destroyed this country...you know that, right?

[Oh ok]

Charles Murray wrote:

Now, for a minor correction of an honest error in my previous post. I was typing too fast and and my thoughts were flowing so much, I mixed up my past Presidential elections.
When I turned 18, I voted for Walter Mondale. George McGovern was when I was a little kid.
Ah, how your memory goes when you're over 40.
Charles M.

Typical Lib...Clueless and Ugly!

[SLAP CHOP]

When the time comes NJ voters will re-elect him for another 6 years. Would John, a billionaire, make ending the property tax deduction, which helps the 40+ hours working stiff, a part of his stump speech during his next campaign?
Snap out of it people, soon our take bite will be up to 60% of our earnings.

[Charles Murray]

If any Republican would like to convince me to change my political views, he should refrain from logical fallacies such as the ad hominem argument or the ad absurdum argument.

The argument "liberals destroyed the country" is ad absurdum, because our country is actually a beautiful, wonderful place. It's beautiful, regardless of who is in power. Through both Republican and Democratic administrations, no matter which party controls each of our three branches of government, one thing has not changed: America is a wonderful, wonderful place.

You can disagree with me on specific issues, but don't attack America by saying it's not a wonderful country. Indeed, our country was founded on the very principle that people are free to disagree. Our Founding Fathers disagreed, ultimately leading Jefferson and Adams to form two parties. Without respectful disagreement, our country would be a dictatorship. I honor my Republican friends, and would never attack their right to speak freely. Neither I and my Democratic friends, nor all of my Republican friends, can destroy America, unless one completely eliminates the other. It is our freedom to have diverse opinions which is what makes America great.

The ad hominem argument, calling names, is just plain childish.

But both the ad hominem and ad absurdum are logical fallacies, which suggest flawed logic in any debate.