Legal pot complicates drug-free work policies

Dec 8, 2012 Full story: KING-TV Seattle 104

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1 Dec 8, 2012
Stupid dooms day preachers, it's only complicated because the people making it complicated are idiots. Can you smoke there? Yes or no, that's all you need to do. Just like tobacco, just predefine your policy and it's fine. Idiotic USA, start doing something right then screw it up just because of some idiotic stigmas and stereotypes. No grounding in reality in this this country now.

“30yrs in this garbage state ”

Since: May 10

sheeple country USA

#2 Dec 8, 2012
SHEEEPOLES are the ones that complicate things to the max.

Hence doomS day preachers.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#3 Dec 8, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
Stupid dooms day preachers, it's only complicated because the people making it complicated are idiots. Can you smoke there? Yes or no, that's all you need to do. Just like tobacco, just predefine your policy and it's fine. Idiotic USA, start doing something right then screw it up just because of some idiotic stigmas and stereotypes. No grounding in reality in this this country now.
No one is making anything complicated. Written workplace rules will remain in place and if you can't follow them, seek employment in an establishment that doesn't pre-test or have random testing and smoke all you want! While you're at it ,be sure to have a designated driver just as a drunk needs or be charged with DUI on the way out for munchies. What's so hard to understand about that? Nothing is complicated until the dopers,potheads,and stoners make it that way.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#4 Dec 8, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>No one is making anything complicated. Written workplace rules will remain in place and if you can't follow them, seek employment in an establishment that doesn't pre-test or have random testing and smoke all you want! While you're at it ,be sure to have a designated driver just as a drunk needs or be charged with DUI on the way out for munchies. What's so hard to understand about that? Nothing is complicated until the dopers,potheads,and stoners make it that way.
You are an idiot who replies to posts you don't even read. Learn to read, moron.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#5 Dec 9, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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You are an idiot who replies to posts you don't even read. Learn to read, moron.
(1) Legalization for use (2) Legalization for simple possession (3)Forcing a business to relax drug policies and allow potheads,dopers,and stoners to be on premises against existing drug free work zone policies. Now, Oh Great One,two items were voted on and one wasn't. See if you can use that smoked filled area above your shoulders to figure out which wasn't.

“30yrs in this garbage state ”

Since: May 10

sheeple country USA

#6 Dec 9, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>No one is making anything complicated. Written workplace rules will remain in place and if you can't follow them, seek employment in an establishment that doesn't pre-test or have random testing and smoke all you want! While you're at it ,be sure to have a designated driver just as a drunk needs or be charged with DUI on the way out for munchies. What's so hard to understand about that? Nothing is complicated until the dopers,potheads,and stoners make it that way.
Your thoughts are still SHEEPOLE thought flawed.

Only SHEEPOLES think they need to run other peoples lives.

Drunk hung over people are absolutely no good in the work place.

You don't get that from MJ users.

DUI I agree, is DUI, wet or green.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#7 Dec 9, 2012
30yrs wrote:
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Your thoughts are still SHEEPOLE thought flawed.
Only SHEEPOLES think they need to run other peoples lives.
Drunk hung over people are absolutely no good in the work place.
You don't get that from MJ users.
DUI I agree, is DUI, wet or green.
There is a field BAT test for the degree of alcohol in your system. At the present there is no field test other than yes/no for MJ and you are well aware of the consequences of showing positive on the form you signed when you hired in. No arguments there. As I have said before: Why risk getting a bad work record and a "drug related dismissal" by seeking employment in a place that you damm well know will randomly test you? People should use their common sense.

“30yrs in this garbage state ”

Since: May 10

sheeple country USA

#8 Dec 9, 2012
Certainly common sense should be used.

Though there are some employers who do think it is a violation of
privacy and as long as you are not high at work, they could care less.

That would be an employer that sees right through the BS.

Just saying.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9 Dec 10, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>(1) Legalization for use (2) Legalization for simple possession (3)Forcing a business to relax drug policies and allow potheads,dopers,and stoners to be on premises against existing drug free work zone policies. Now, Oh Great One,two items were voted on and one wasn't. See if you can use that smoked filled area above your shoulders to figure out which wasn't.
Really? Where in the elimination of that law does it state that business owners have to do anything? Oh wait, that's right, an elimination of a law means they don't have to change anything. Nice try to twist the facts.
Randall Hendricks

Stroud, OK

#10 Dec 10, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Really? Where in the elimination of that law does it state that business owners have to do anything? Oh wait, that's right, an elimination of a law means they don't have to change anything. Nice try to twist the facts.
Goddam woman who pissed in your cereal bowl this morning. I sure would hate to work around you with that attitude but then again it wouldnt last long once i slaped the shit out of you.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#12 Dec 11, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? Where in the elimination of that law does it state that business owners have to do anything? Oh wait, that's right, an elimination of a law means they don't have to change anything. Nice try to twist the facts.
Business owners do have a responsibility to their employees under present OSHA and common sense rules to provide a safe workplace. Drug testing has been used for years to make sure employees follow simple written rules. If you noticed,that right of the companies to do so was not part of the last vote. Also the votes didn't have anything to prevent health care insurance companies from not paying for treatments concerning an illness if the patient chooses to use services or treatments that the insurance company considers "investigational" or "experimental" instead of practices accepted under standard medical practices endorsed by the AMA and FDA. Making a visit to Dr.Feelgood along with your normal doctor could get your coverage cancelled by insurance companies with heavy hitting lawyers and plenty of money to fight you. Changing this situation will require NATIONAL level legislation,not state votes.

“Nirvana”

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#13 Dec 11, 2012
...then accompanying legislation needs to be updated to accommodate the new laws. Just as with alcohol, there are guideline amounts to be found in blood tests which take a person under or over a level. Traces of pot in a test will tell you whether a person has used a few minutes ago or yesterday.....similar to alcohol again. Besides which, as with alcohol, it's usually obvious if ppl are out of it or not....& as with alcohol it usually remains on the breath so co-workers, employers will be able to pick up the telltale signs
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#14 Dec 11, 2012
nathanielornament wrote:
...then accompanying legislation needs to be updated to accommodate the new laws. Just as with alcohol, there are guideline amounts to be found in blood tests which take a person under or over a level. Traces of pot in a test will tell you whether a person has used a few minutes ago or yesterday.....similar to alcohol again. Besides which, as with alcohol, it's usually obvious if ppl are out of it or not....& as with alcohol it usually remains on the breath so co-workers, employers will be able to pick up the telltale signs
The BAT is there for alcohol content but at the time, there is no FIELD administered test to determine whether the stoner smoked last week,last night,this morning, or on break,only yes/no. Companies with a drug free workplace policy very plainly emphasize what will happen if you test positive so there should be no point of argument if you get caught. If someone hurts you on a job or factory site,you BOTH have to be tested at the industrial medicine doctor so you could be fired for smoking weeks before if you test positive. That's the rules,like them or not. The only way to change it is to drop all OSHA and EPA workplace rules that factories have to follow and let the government take over workman's comp claims and everyone can be on their own.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#15 Dec 12, 2012
Randall Hendricks wrote:
<quoted text>Goddam woman who pissed in your cereal bowl this morning. I sure would hate to work around you with that attitude but then again it wouldnt last long once i slaped the shit out of you.
Actually, I'd be your boss if you worked for me, there is no work around me at my level.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#16 Dec 12, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Business owners do have a responsibility to their employees under present OSHA and common sense rules to provide a safe workplace. Drug testing has been used for years to make sure employees follow simple written rules. If you noticed,that right of the companies to do so was not part of the last vote. Also the votes didn't have anything to prevent health care insurance companies from not paying for treatments concerning an illness if the patient chooses to use services or treatments that the insurance company considers "investigational" or "experimental" instead of practices accepted under standard medical practices endorsed by the AMA and FDA. Making a visit to Dr.Feelgood along with your normal doctor could get your coverage cancelled by insurance companies with heavy hitting lawyers and plenty of money to fight you. Changing this situation will require NATIONAL level legislation,not state votes.
How difficult is it to say "no smoking" on the window. Tons of businesses do it already, most won't even hire tobacco smokers, and it's perfectly legal.

“Nirvana”

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#17 Dec 12, 2012
Yes exactly....no smoking just before or on the job....just as you wouldn't expect ppl to turn up for work after drinking or to be drinking on the job.....if someone is drunk or stoned it's usually obvious....& ppl inc. employers get to know who is likely to be even slightly.......the 'field' test needs to be changed for a more detailed one if it can't determine levels...sure it won't determine when smoked but it will determine levels, as with alcohol tests
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#18 Dec 14, 2012
nathanielornament wrote:
Yes exactly....no smoking just before or on the job....just as you wouldn't expect ppl to turn up for work after drinking or to be drinking on the job.....if someone is drunk or stoned it's usually obvious....& ppl inc. employers get to know who is likely to be even slightly.......the 'field' test needs to be changed for a more detailed one if it can't determine levels...sure it won't determine when smoked but it will determine levels, as with alcohol tests
If you can come up with such a test,you're RICH,RICH,RICH!!!! Problem is, there is not one so it's either positive or negative whether you have MJ in your system in your system,on the premises,on company time. NO ARGUMENT! YOU know the rules,YOU break the rules,YOU get fired. Out you go with a DRUG Related Dismissal on your work record.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#19 Dec 14, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>If you can come up with such a test,you're RICH,RICH,RICH!!!! Problem is, there is not one so it's either positive or negative whether you have MJ in your system in your system,on the premises,on company time. NO ARGUMENT! YOU know the rules,YOU break the rules,YOU get fired. Out you go with a DRUG Related Dismissal on your work record.
There is, it's called a urine analysis, and they're sold over the counter for about $20 a kit. Not sure how many tests a kit has, but it's not that complicated.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#20 Dec 14, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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There is, it's called a urine analysis, and they're sold over the counter for about $20 a kit. Not sure how many tests a kit has, but it's not that complicated.
Those old tests give only positive/negative indication. Someone has to come up with a field test equal to the BAT for alcohol. Until that time,positive,you're gone.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#21 Dec 14, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Those old tests give only positive/negative indication. Someone has to come up with a field test equal to the BAT for alcohol. Until that time,positive,you're gone.
Businesses can make such decisions, that is their right. Many here also turn down tobacco smokers, they have that right as well. So I fail to see the problem. Sounds more like you just want a way to avoid the decision altogether.

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