Four soldiers, including one from For...

Four soldiers, including one from Fort Bliss, charged with cruelty

There are 34 comments on the El Paso Times story from Aug 21, 2009, titled Four soldiers, including one from Fort Bliss, charged with cruelty. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

Four American soldiers, including one from Fort Bliss, in Iraq have been charged with cruelty and maltreatment of soldiers in their platoon, the U.S. military said Friday.

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Sympathy

United States

#23 Aug 21, 2009
May he RIP. I sure hope those soldiers who involved in hazing are brought to justice.
Ridiculous

Latonia, KY

#24 Aug 21, 2009
Suicide= A PERMEANT SOLUTION TO A TEMPORARY PROBLEM
I don't care who you are or what happens in your life, I cannot feel bad for anyone who takes their own life regardless the situation. Seriously people. Same as I cant feel bad for anyone that dies in a car wreck cause they wern't wearing a seatbelt or kill yourself on a bike cause you didn't wear a helmet.
Everyone has an opportunity to make things right and stand up for themselves and not take a gun to their head every time things get tough. The only way this kid could have been driven that far is if he already had suicidal tendencies/depression and this just pushed it to the point where the only way he could fix things was to kill himself. Which is coward.
Jenny Craig

United States

#25 Aug 22, 2009
Please stop and think people. This war is soo costly in terms of human lives that we are taking the bottom of the barrel humans in terms of age and physical condition. The Armed forces are so hard strapped for warm bodies they will over look small things like age, condition, crimminal records, mental status, ect.
Those old enough to remember McCarthy's million army can attest to the problems that followed years later. We as a society are not doing enough to care with the casualities of this war that are naturaly going to occur.
Patrick Pearse

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#26 Aug 22, 2009
It Looks Like wrote:
It looks like all four soldiers were deployed out of Fort Bliss. Maybe change the headline, and add the apparent suicide to the article?
Have you ever served in a forward area? Can you even find Iraq on a map. We are a band of brothers. We take care of our buddies.
....And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
ter

Langley, Canada

#27 Aug 22, 2009
remember that soldier that walked away and was captured by Taliban I wonder whether he was in the same situation..maybe he was being abused too and was running away...makes me think when we send our sons to war whether they should fear the talibans or their own. Fix this now so we parents can be reassured.
Steve

Brownwood, TX

#28 Aug 23, 2009
A Sad Sergeant wrote:
Yes this Soldier was overweight. But what most donít know is that this young ďfatĒ Soldier volunteered to help his current unit out. See this Brigade deployed way under strength and to overcome that other units on post were asked to send Soldiers to this Brigade. He volunteered to leave for Iraq now instead of leaving late next year as he was schedule to. He had only been in Iraq days.
I am a Sergeant and I understand what remedial PT is and what hazing is. I even understand what it means to ensure that my Soldiers are mentally and physically prepared for Combat. However, what these Soldiers are charged with is unspeakable. If they are guilty they should do the honorable thing and just pled guilty. Donít drag the family through a long trail.
To all those who say he was fat and should be doing extra physical training, yes he should have and he should have had a Sergeant who worked with him and train him properly to lose those extra pounds not to drive him to kill himself. Image if this was your son or brother; would you all be saying the same remarks? I donít think so.
This young Soldier volunteer to serve his country and volunteer a second time to help a unit filled with people he did not know. What did he get for it? He got treated like sh-t and drove to the point where he killed himself. I hope his whole chain of command goes down. This should not have happen.
Well said !
Black Panther

AOL

#29 Aug 23, 2009
A Sad Sergeant wrote:
Yes this Soldier was overweight. But what most donít know is that this young ďfatĒ Soldier volunteered to help his current unit out. See this Brigade deployed way under strength and to overcome that other units on post were asked to send Soldiers to this Brigade. He volunteered to leave for Iraq now instead of leaving late next year as he was schedule to. He had only been in Iraq days.
I am a Sergeant and I understand what remedial PT is and what hazing is. I even understand what it means to ensure that my Soldiers are mentally and physically prepared for Combat. However, what these Soldiers are charged with is unspeakable. If they are guilty they should do the honorable thing and just pled guilty. Donít drag the family through a long trail.
To all those who say he was fat and should be doing extra physical training, yes he should have and he should have had a Sergeant who worked with him and train him properly to lose those extra pounds not to drive him to kill himself. Image if this was your son or brother; would you all be saying the same remarks? I donít think so.
This young Soldier volunteer to serve his country and volunteer a second time to help a unit filled with people he did not know. What did he get for it? He got treated like sh-t and drove to the point where he killed himself. I hope his whole chain of command goes down. This should not have happen.
As an retired NCO thank you! Most people writing negative things, are most likely out of shape, which is common in El Paso!
Black Panther

AOL

#30 Aug 23, 2009
Ridiculous wrote:
Suicide= A PERMEANT SOLUTION TO A TEMPORARY PROBLEM
I don't care who you are or what happens in your life, I cannot feel bad for anyone who takes their own life regardless the situation. Seriously people. Same as I cant feel bad for anyone that dies in a car wreck cause they wern't wearing a seatbelt or kill yourself on a bike cause you didn't wear a helmet.
Everyone has an opportunity to make things right and stand up for themselves and not take a gun to their head every time things get tough. The only way this kid could have been driven that far is if he already had suicidal tendencies/depression and this just pushed it to the point where the only way he could fix things was to kill himself. Which is coward.
You are the coward! Saying that will bite you in the azz one day!
concerned parent

Stroudsburg, PA

#31 Aug 23, 2009
Fort Bliss NCO's need to get there head out of there a$$ and start leading by example. moral is low and it's due to poor management and treating recruits like fresh meat
concerned parent

Stroudsburg, PA

#32 Aug 23, 2009
Veronica wrote:
The Fort Bliss soldiers continue to make the news! What is it was the military personnel nowadays? Granted not all of them are bad and do make us proud of their accomplishments! Chill guys!
poor middle management leading to poor morale. Bliss NCO's need to get there head out of there a$$ and start acting like role models. start leading by example. this is definatly not an isolated incident.
Black Panther

AOL

#34 Aug 23, 2009
The RepublicanS and the Bible-toting Special Interest Groups have destroyed the military!
concerned parent

Stroudsburg, PA

#35 Aug 23, 2009
Shameless wrote:
Soooooo, a fat guy killed himself because he was fat and forced to do extra PT. Tragic, but nobody should be punished for that alone. Although, I would like to hear the rest of the story. We are fighting 2 wars and it is NOT the time to create a kinder, gentler Army. Generation Y.........ugh.
how fat could he be, he just got out of AIT and basic training. i believe it was more mental abuse than physical
concerned parent

Stroudsburg, PA

#36 Aug 23, 2009
A Sad Sergeant wrote:
Yes this Soldier was overweight. But what most donít know is that this young ďfatĒ Soldier volunteered to help his current unit out. See this Brigade deployed way under strength and to overcome that other units on post were asked to send Soldiers to this Brigade. He volunteered to leave for Iraq now instead of leaving late next year as he was schedule to. He had only been in Iraq days.
I am a Sergeant and I understand what remedial PT is and what hazing is. I even understand what it means to ensure that my Soldiers are mentally and physically prepared for Combat. However, what these Soldiers are charged with is unspeakable. If they are guilty they should do the honorable thing and just pled guilty. Donít drag the family through a long trail.
To all those who say he was fat and should be doing extra physical training, yes he should have and he should have had a Sergeant who worked with him and train him properly to lose those extra pounds not to drive him to kill himself. Image if this was your son or brother; would you all be saying the same remarks? I donít think so.
This young Soldier volunteer to serve his country and volunteer a second time to help a unit filled with people he did not know. What did he get for it? He got treated like sh-t and drove to the point where he killed himself. I hope his whole chain of command goes down. This should not have happen.
sergeant, totally agree with you on this. my daughter is at Bliss and i fear for her safety as well. I am prior Army and some of the stories i am told is unacceptable by much of the leadership at the NCO level. I believe leaders should lead by example earn respect and motivate the soldiers they vow to watch over. My daughter cried for this private when i read her the story and she said" Dad i told you this brigade is srewed up" ironically this soldier is in her brigade.
VET

Seattle, WA

#37 Aug 25, 2009
Shame to the soldiers wrote:
So much for fighting for our rights!
It appears to me the soldiers are now fighting within themselves, how much longer can this go on when there is no cohesion? Thanks for the msnbc article, it appears as though others are coming forward to complain about these bully/macho/murderers and so called "soldiers".
I take it that you have deployed, experienced it first hand and know how important it is to stay in shape?
If not then dont comment

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