Four soldiers, including one from For...

Four soldiers, including one from Fort Bliss, charged with cruelty

There are 34 comments on the El Paso Times story from Aug 21, 2009, titled Four soldiers, including one from Fort Bliss, charged with cruelty. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

Four American soldiers, including one from Fort Bliss, in Iraq have been charged with cruelty and maltreatment of soldiers in their platoon, the U.S. military said Friday.

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Cool Breeze

Hauppauge, NY

#1 Aug 21, 2009
We have met the enemy, and they are US !
Que verguenza - Fort Bliss personnel have strayed farther from the outstanding performance and the Glory Days of the 'SCUDBUSTERS'!
Veronica

El Paso, TX

#2 Aug 21, 2009
The Fort Bliss soldiers continue to make the news! What is it was the military personnel nowadays? Granted not all of them are bad and do make us proud of their accomplishments! Chill guys!
VET

Seattle, WA

#3 Aug 21, 2009
Are you serious?! excessive PT? Oh please, its called remedial PT for fat bodies.
ugh

United States

#5 Aug 21, 2009
boy, now i've heard of everything...excessive pt for soldiers who signed up for training in combat...wow...
imcnbabynurse

El Paso, TX

#6 Aug 21, 2009
I think that this is rediculous!!!!! When my husband was in the Marine Corps, There was no such thing as excessive exercise!!!!! Come on guys, you all are being trained to withstand combat. What a bunch of wimps, Quit with your "WAAAAAAA That Hurts!!!!!!!" You all are in the military for Gods sake!!!!! Get out if you can't tough it!!!!!!!!!
Dog Lover

Huntsville, AL

#7 Aug 21, 2009
Not mentioned in this article is the reason they were charged is that their behavior led to another Ft. Bliss soldier's suicide.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32509172/ns/us_ne...
It Looks Like

El Paso, TX

#8 Aug 21, 2009
It looks like all four soldiers were deployed out of Fort Bliss. Maybe change the headline, and add the apparent suicide to the article?
Khomo Cheeng Ghan

Baltimore, MD

#9 Aug 21, 2009
They were just doing their job.
Shameless

El Paso, TX

#10 Aug 21, 2009
Soooooo, a fat guy killed himself because he was fat and forced to do extra PT. Tragic, but nobody should be punished for that alone. Although, I would like to hear the rest of the story. We are fighting 2 wars and it is NOT the time to create a kinder, gentler Army. Generation Y.........ugh.
Joe

United States

#11 Aug 21, 2009
Great!!! Only 29,999 to go.
Veronica

El Paso, TX

#12 Aug 21, 2009
Dog Lover wrote:
Not mentioned in this article is the reason they were charged is that their behavior led to another Ft. Bliss soldier's suicide.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32509172/ns/us_ne...
Thanks for giving us the additonal information. At least they won't get away with this senseless death!
Shame to the soldiers

Ruidoso, NM

#13 Aug 21, 2009
So much for fighting for our rights!
It appears to me the soldiers are now fighting within themselves, how much longer can this go on when there is no cohesion? Thanks for the msnbc article, it appears as though others are coming forward to complain about these bully/macho/murderers and so called "soldiers".
whatever

El Paso, TX

#14 Aug 21, 2009
how did he get in with being overweight? is the military that desperate....I think that there's more to this story...the military now are more wimpy than years past, whats up with that
army mom

Muskego, WI

#15 Aug 21, 2009
my son is in iraq. when we was sent there he was seperated from his seargant for this reason and was now reassigned to him over a month ago and I have not heard from him since. I worry every day. I do not know his sargeants name I hope this is him so my son can be safe from our US sargeants. Pray for our men and women My heart goes out to all!
teen

Pea Ridge, AR

#16 Aug 21, 2009
it sound's like full metal jacket
A Sad Sergeant

United States

#17 Aug 21, 2009
Yes this Soldier was overweight. But what most donít know is that this young ďfatĒ Soldier volunteered to help his current unit out. See this Brigade deployed way under strength and to overcome that other units on post were asked to send Soldiers to this Brigade. He volunteered to leave for Iraq now instead of leaving late next year as he was schedule to. He had only been in Iraq days.

I am a Sergeant and I understand what remedial PT is and what hazing is. I even understand what it means to ensure that my Soldiers are mentally and physically prepared for Combat. However, what these Soldiers are charged with is unspeakable. If they are guilty they should do the honorable thing and just pled guilty. Donít drag the family through a long trail.

To all those who say he was fat and should be doing extra physical training, yes he should have and he should have had a Sergeant who worked with him and train him properly to lose those extra pounds not to drive him to kill himself. Image if this was your son or brother; would you all be saying the same remarks? I donít think so.

This young Soldier volunteer to serve his country and volunteer a second time to help a unit filled with people he did not know. What did he get for it? He got treated like sh-t and drove to the point where he killed himself. I hope his whole chain of command goes down. This should not have happen.
PT Stud

El Paso, TX

#18 Aug 21, 2009
Veronica wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for giving us the additonal information. At least they won't get away with this senseless death!
Senseless Death---a fat body offs himself becasue of some extra PT. Damn Dems
Pathetic

Las Cruces, NM

#20 Aug 21, 2009
Shame to the soldiers wrote:
So much for fighting for our rights!
It appears to me the soldiers are now fighting within themselves, how much longer can this go on when there is no cohesion? Thanks for the msnbc article, it appears as though others are coming forward to complain about these bully/macho/murderers and so called "soldiers".
And just imagine how bad it would be if gays, blacks and women are allowed into the military.
Pathetic

Las Cruces, NM

#21 Aug 21, 2009
whatever wrote:
how did he get in with being overweight? is the military that desperate....I think that there's more to this story...the military now are more wimpy than years past, whats up with that
I'll bring you up to speed.

Bush decided to invade Iraq for the financial benefit of Bush's corporate sponsors.

But we didn't really have enough soldiers, so Bush stopped volunteers from leaving, lowered the standards to allow criminals and persons with severe mental defects to enter the military while encouraging recruiters to lie and he also raised the age to allow even old grandpas to serve.
army mom

Muskego, WI

#22 Aug 21, 2009
"A Sad Sergeant"]Yes this Soldier was overweight. But what most donít know is that this young ďfatĒ Soldier volunteered to help his current unit out. See this Brigade deployed way under strength and to overcome that other units on post were asked to send Soldiers to this Brigade. He volunteered to leave for Iraq now instead of leaving late next year as he was schedule to. He had only been in Iraq days.
I am a Sergeant and I understand what remedial PT is and what hazing is. I even understand what it means to ensure that my Soldiers are mentally and physically prepared for Combat. However, what these Soldiers are charged with is unspeakable. If they are guilty they should do the honorable thing and just pled guilty. Donít drag the family through a long trail.
To all those who say he was fat and should be doing extra physical training, yes he should have and he should have had a Sergeant who worked with him and train him properly to lose those extra pounds not to drive him to kill himself. Image if this was your son or brother; would you all be saying the same remarks? I donít think so.
This young Soldier volunteer to serve his country and volunteer a second time to help a unit filled with people he did not know. What did he get for it? He got treated like sh-t and drove to the point where he killed himself. I hope his whole chain of command goes down. This should not have happen.
[my son was flagged and said that he would be kicked out of the army for his weight. He was already 40 pounds lighter than when he joined. My son lost 100 pounds in 6 months just to join. His sargeant threw him out of a vehicle shook him and threw him against a dumpster pluse more when he was sent to Iraq he was seperated from him but then more mortars came down there and he was forced to go back to his sargeant. That was over a month ago and I have not heard from him since I think that these sargeants should be looked into
thank you for what you have done and the time you have served

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