Abortion foes take battle beyond Roe

Troy Newman appears to be just about the happiest person who ever set foot in an abortion clinic.

[Joe American]

They are nothing but the Christian version of the Taliban attempting to force their religious views on everyone else.

[HenryHyde-In-Hel l]

Too bad you Republiscum Party adherents don't value the life of the newborn poverty-level ghetto born as much as you 'respect' the tadpole "babies" the fetuses represent.

Maybe you'd like to adopt a few dozen cross-eyed, splay-toes crippled negro children with brains the size of walnuts ?

I didn't think so.

What would Jayzusssssssssssssssssssss do, indeed ?

Filthy Republicunt dogs.

[Melissa]

For a country that is meant to be progressive and on the forefront of everything, we sure do have a skewed sense of reality!

As a social worker who deals with abused and neglected children on a daily basis, I can only say this to the anti-abortion activists: Spend a week working in my job and see the horrible lives unwanted children experience, filled with abuse, neglect, drugs, alcohol, domestic violence, poverty etc. Then revisit them in 20 years and see how the cycle of abuse has continued with their children. Then tell me that all children are welcome in this world.

In a world that is overpopulated already, parents who know they are not going to be able to provide quality care for a child should be able to choose not to carry the pregnancy to term. It's all well and good for the protesters to say that it's a human life, but they're not the ones who are going to have to raise that child, knowing they have no means of doing so.

My solution:
1. Make birth control free
2. Make abortions readily accessible
3. Make abortions free for all

The UK does all of the above and society is all the better for it. Not to say that there aren't unwanted children, but the choice is there.

Time for a reality check America; perpetuate the cycle of poverty, abuse and violence, in the name of protecting the rights of a clump of cells? Or accepting that as highly evolved species, we, as individuals, are able to make decisions that affect us, as individuals, and only us?

[got2bkidding]

Good thing the article is open to all points of view.
Anti-abotrion foes ? Why not Advocates for Life ?
The constitution grants the RIGHT of Life. The truth is the choice is Life or Death, and who you think should be the one to make the decision of who lives and who dies. The opposite of choice is life, which means choice is death! America is a short step away from killing the "old folks" when medical care is not cost efficient. When did life become so cheap?
A fact - more Americans are killed every day from abortions than died on September 11. More than 1483 African American babies are aborted every day. The overwhelming majortiy of all abortions are done for convenience - not to "save" the mother. It's time for America to once again be the leader and end the muder of innocent babies. Heb 10:26

[BUBBA]

Anti-choice fanatics!!!

[Tom from Atlanta]

Ahhh - the debate continues. Got2bkidding is confusing the constitution with the Bible....

There's *supposed* to be a seperation of church and state. The constitution provides for Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, but did not dictate in it when life actually begins.

As a father of two - I don't like abortion, and I can't imagine having one. But bible-thumping dolts and zealots have no place dictating to me. If my wife and I ever needed to have one, I want it there...

[Adopted One]

My choice to be against abortion isn't religious (I'm not), but one of experience. Had Roe vs. Wade happened prior to 1967, I probably wouldn't be here. I was an unplannned pregnancy by two unmarried college kids. Thankfully, I was put up for adoption.

There are enough people in this country that can't have children but desperately want them. If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want to keep the child, rather than destroy a life that never gets a chance to start, why not give up the baby for adoption?

And I also find it disturbing that most pro-choice advocates, who will think nothing of killing an unborn child for whatever reason, also oppose the death penalty.

[Herb]

Melissa wrote:

For a country that is meant to be progressive and on the forefront of everything, we sure do have a skewed sense of reality!
As a social worker who deals with abused and neglected children on a daily basis, I can only say this to the anti-abortion activists: Spend a week working in my job and see the horrible lives unwanted children experience, filled with abuse, neglect, drugs, alcohol, domestic violence, poverty etc. Then revisit them in 20 years and see how the cycle of abuse has continued with their children. Then tell me that all children are welcome in this world.
In a world that is overpopulated already, parents who know they are not going to be able to provide quality care for a child should be able to choose not to carry the pregnancy to term. It's all well and good for the protesters to say that it's a human life, but they're not the ones who are going to have to raise that child, knowing they have no means of doing so.
My solution:
1. Make birth control free
2. Make abortions readily accessible
3. Make abortions free for all
The UK does all of the above and society is all the better for it. Not to say that there aren't unwanted children, but the choice is there.
Time for a reality check America; perpetuate the cycle of poverty, abuse and violence, in the name of protecting the rights of a clump of cells? Or accepting that as highly evolved species, we, as individuals, are able to make decisions that affect us, as individuals, and only us?

Yeah, those poor kid's lives are horrible. Let's kill them so they won't be exposed to violence, poverty and abuse. It makes sense to me.

Soldiers in Vietnam had to apply the same logic and destroy many villages to save them. I would like to apply this same logic to criminals too. After all what kind of life is there for them in prisons. Think of the horrors in all those rest homes and hospices across the nation. By setting up a national quality of life death industry we could stimulate the economy, create jobs and use the waste materials to fertilize crops for ethanol production. This is a win win proposal for the economy and the greening of the planet don't you think, huh?

[Maureen]

86% of all US counties don't have an abortion provider....

The pro-choice crowd loves to quote this figure but it is so bogus; look at downstate Illinois where there are counties with fewer than 100 women of childbearing age. How many providers of abortion do these tiny rural counties need? What proportion of US counties don't have an orthodontist?

[Mr Green]

Abortions are good for the environment and also help global climate change.

[Moncie]

got2bkidding wrote:

Good thing the article is open to all points of view.
Anti-abotrion foes ? Why not Advocates for Life ?
The constitution grants the RIGHT of Life. The truth is the choice is Life or Death, and who you think should be the one to make the decision of who lives and who dies. The opposite of choice is life, which means choice is death! America is a short step away from killing the "old folks" when medical care is not cost efficient. When did life become so cheap?
A fact - more Americans are killed every day from abortions than died on September 11. More than 1483 African American babies are aborted every day. The overwhelming majortiy of all abortions are done for convenience - not to "save" the mother. It's time for America to once again be the leader and end the muder of innocent babies. Heb 10:26

I just love it when people refer to the Constitution and then don't have a clue what it really says. No, the Constitution does NOT grant a right to life, at least not a right to be born. A fetus has no rights. "Personhood" is not bestowed until birth. The pregnant woman is the "person" and therefore SHE has rights.

BTW, what is convenience to you is a life-changing event to someone else.

How about you manage your uterus and I'll manage mine?

[rjinchi]

It's great to keep your messaging out there regarding what side of the fence you are on in this debate. However, it's your messaging and YOUR own beliefs, dont force me to follow what you believe in. If you dont like abortion, dont get one.

[Moncie]

Adopted One wrote:

My choice to be against abortion isn't religious (I'm not), but one of experience. Had Roe vs. Wade happened prior to 1967, I probably wouldn't be here. I was an unplannned pregnancy by two unmarried college kids. Thankfully, I was put up for adoption.
There are enough people in this country that can't have children but desperately want them. If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want to keep the child, rather than destroy a life that never gets a chance to start, why not give up the baby for adoption?
And I also find it disturbing that most pro-choice advocates, who will think nothing of killing an unborn child for whatever reason, also oppose the death penalty.

So since you are an adoptee I assume that you are aware of the hundreds of thousands of kids in the US who are just sitting around waiting to be adopted.

And you think it's a good idea to add to that number? Puh-lease.

[rjinchi]

Adopted One wrote:

My choice to be against abortion isn't religious (I'm not), but one of experience. Had Roe vs. Wade happened prior to 1967, I probably wouldn't be here. I was an unplannned pregnancy by two unmarried college kids. Thankfully, I was put up for adoption.
There are enough people in this country that can't have children but desperately want them. If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want to keep the child, rather than destroy a life that never gets a chance to start, why not give up the baby for adoption?
And I also find it disturbing that most pro-choice advocates, who will think nothing of killing an unborn child for whatever reason, also oppose the death penalty.

Great post and to the point - however it was their choice. Choice being the operative word.

[pjb720]

Adopted One wrote:

My choice to be against abortion isn't religious (I'm not), but one of experience. Had Roe vs. Wade happened prior to 1967, I probably wouldn't be here. I was an unplannned pregnancy by two unmarried college kids. Thankfully, I was put up for adoption.
There are enough people in this country that can't have children but desperately want them. If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want to keep the child, rather than destroy a life that never gets a chance to start, why not give up the baby for adoption?
And I also find it disturbing that most pro-choice advocates, who will think nothing of killing an unborn child for whatever reason, also oppose the death penalty.

I am happy that your biological parents made a CHOICE and gave you up for adoption to a loving home. Before Roe v. Wade, they could have still found away to have an abortion but made the CHOICE not to. Life is about having options to choose from. I at one time had to make a CHOICE. While I could not, for myself, have an abortion, I will not deny that right to someone else. Because what was right for me, may not be right for someone else. It's not an easy decision to make.

[a blinkin]

Fetuses are, in all practical senses, replaceable.

Women in our society do not generally bear all the children they may be capable of bearing in a lifetime -- a dozen or more. Women instead have a couple kids. The only variable is timing.

A women can have an abortion and still have a subsequent child. That subsequent child may not have been conceived if the prior child had not been aborted.

I realize that an aborted child may have turned out to be a Nobel Prize winner (or an ax murderer, for that matter). The same holds for subsequent children who would not have been born but for the fact that the previous child had been aborted, thereby "making room" for the latter.

This is a very cold way of looking at the situation, I realize. But I think it's ignoring the obvious to consider it otherwise. Humans are baby-making machines, in the same way that horses and cattle are.

If the timing of an abortion is such that it prevents harm to the woman or great economic hardship to the woman (and the rest of her family), that bit of timing alone may prove the difference in quality of life for all.

[Ashland Avenue]

Adopted One, glad to know it's all about you. Interesting that your views are ONLY shaped by YOUR experience, and that you're incapable of understanding any other situation.

I'm an adoptee, too; I was born in 1966 to unmarried college students also. Had abortion been legal at the time, I'm pretty sure my birth mother would have aborted me. Maybe not, I'll never know as she's passed on now. But just because adoption "worked" in my case doesn't mean I lack the empathy to consider the circumstances of others.

Adoption is not always feasible. Nor should a woman be forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term just so another couple can have a child - and I say that having heard first hand from my adoptive parents about the heartbreak of infertility.(BTW, my own adoptive mother, who couldn't get pregnant, is pro-choice; she's able to understand situations beyond her own. Try to wrap your brain around that.) The book "The Girls Who Went Away," by Ann Fessler also offers another look at adoption and what many, many women in our birth mothers' era went through with the adoption industry.

I also find it very disturbing that most anti-choice people, if a woman chooses not to abort and instead raise the child, oppose any kind of help to her or the child once it's born. Their claims of love of life certainly ring false then. Their motive, pure and simple, is keeping women enslaved to their fertility -this can be seen by their opposition to birth control.

[dogs RULE]

got2bkidding wrote:

Good thing the article is open to all points of view.
Anti-abotrion foes ? Why not Advocates for Life ?
The constitution grants the RIGHT of Life. The truth is the choice is Life or Death, and who you think should be the one to make the decision of who lives and who dies. The opposite of choice is life, which means choice is death! America is a short step away from killing the "old folks" when medical care is not cost efficient. When did life become so cheap?
A fact - more Americans are killed every day from abortions than died on September 11. More than 1483 African American babies are aborted every day. The overwhelming majortiy of all abortions are done for convenience - not to "save" the mother. It's time for America to once again be the leader and end the muder of innocent babies. Heb 10:26

And what are you willing to do to help the 541,295 unwanted African American babies that would be born each year if abortions were totally unavailable?(your statistic) I've seen the "care packages" the pro-lifers try to give these unprepared mothers: a package of newborn diapers and a few formula stained onesies. Hardly enough to help that mother get that child to age 18.

[Ang]

[sarcasm] It just warms the cockles of my heart when I see MEN, incabable of getting pregnant and giving birth, protesting abortion. [/sarcasm]

[Mickey]

Married people have abortions too. And preaching no sex before marriage is ridiculous. The majority of people have sex before marriage.