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I noticed there was an article in the Journal regarding the downtown area. There was a quote in the article talking about how the Theater was doing. Apparently pretty good according to the article. I have been to 13-15 movies in the last year and a half. Many were on the premiere night (Friday). I have NEVER been in a theater with more than 10-20 people in it. I am calling bigtime BS on this claim.
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there is more than one time that the films are shown! add the concessions and you are there money wise. also the article said they are above what they needed to make money. i think its a good value in price and convenience. plenty of parking. the concession prices are reasonable too. also..the best reason to patronize OUR theatre is that all the money stays here and benefits OUR community!!
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I wasnot for a theatre but after finally going there I was pleased with it. It has the best seats and the best prices. Give it a try,, you will be impressed.

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Sorry, still not buying the numbers. Something doesn't add up. There are very few cars in the parking lot. I realize there could be walkups and drop offs. The reality is theaters all across the country are losing business.
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people have the idea that downtown is going to be like the old downtown that we remember way back when. that will never happen. But, i believe we should utilize the propertys and get them back on the tax rolls. It is going to take time due to that economic downturn a couple years ago. Plans had to be put on hold. I dont believe they are on permanant hold, however. Conspiracy theories.will always run rampant. I plan to support my hometown theatre and any other businesses here as i have done all my adult life.
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Just because there arent many cars in the parking lot doesnt mean anything. people drop their kids off at the movies, and kids are the biggest movie goers. Im sure theaters around the country are losing money tho like you said but if they can keep their profits where they need them to be to survive more power to them. We need something to do in this town. Especially the kids if there was more for them to do they might be getting into so much trouble

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Jan 28, 2013
 
That is fine. You have your opinion. I have mine. I don't believe they are making a profit. Don't believe everything you read in a newspaper, especially when it quotes a government official.
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Jan 28, 2013
 
I think there is some creative books being kept in that business..
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It really doesn't take much for a movie theater to turn a profit. Whether or not this theater is being truthful aside, movie theaters don't employ many people and people coming in will pay $3 for a $1 box of candy. Overhead is low; look at the St. Clair theater. They're second-string, all the movies they show came out 3 or 4 months prior; they never fill the seats and yet profit-wise, they do very well.

Anecdotally, twice when I went to this theater last year the show I wanted to see was sold out. Just my $.02

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Jan 28, 2013
 
Couple of things. That facility in Fairview was paid off years ago. Also, do you realize the theaters get virtually nothing from the admission ticket. Maybe 25 to 50 cents per ticket. That is why concessions have to be raised so high. Perhaps the nights you went and they were sold out were the 'free night's' that have been offered from time to time. I will just conclude with this....I don't trust hardly anyone at city hall.
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Jan 28, 2013
 
The thing you mention about not making a profit off admission tickets is exactly my point; why are you coming to the conclusion that they don't make money based on the amount of moviegoers and simultaneously saying that isn't indicative of anything? Further, I have never heard of any such free nights(I can't help but think a theater that can offer a free night must be doing at least okay) and both times it was a film's opening night.

I can't tell if you think the Granite City Cinema is doing worse than most theaters, or if you're just postulating that all theaters are losing money which seems out of left field. Theaters aren't the moneymakers they once were; this is a fact. However, we're talking about a town that has nearly nothing else to do, especially in that part of town. I have no idea if GCC is making money but I have seen nothing to indicate otherwise and I'm inclined to believe you're the type of person who will automatically disagree with anything anyone in a position of political power says, even if it's benign and unimportant. Maybe I'm missing something, like exactly what nefarious plots can be carried out by lying about the profits of a movie theater, but by all means, wear your tinfoil hat proudly.
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Jan 28, 2013
 
If the Cinema could make profit private business would have been there.
The city never uses real databecause it can easily not count various coss as far as running the facility. Things like additional workmans compensation and liability insurance costs often tend to be hidden among bigger items. This has been the case with the Wildey in Edwardsville. Depending on who you talk to the theater is either breaking even or losing a million per year. Then, without going through the books all associated costs are probably not being included in the figures.
Its all in who is telling the story and how they want to make it look. Regardless if it was a profitable venue...private industry would not have closed the theater in the first place.
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Brian wrote:
If the Cinema could make profit private business would have been there.
The city never uses real databecause it can easily not count various coss as far as running the facility. Things like additional workmans compensation and liability insurance costs often tend to be hidden among bigger items. This has been the case with the Wildey in Edwardsville. Depending on who you talk to the theater is either breaking even or losing a million per year. Then, without going through the books all associated costs are probably not being included in the figures.
Its all in who is telling the story and how they want to make it look. Regardless if it was a profitable venue...private industry would not have closed the theater in the first place.
I'm having a difficult time parsing this because of the poor grammar, but the old theater shouldn't even be included in the discussion since it was a two-theater cinema not showing new releases and charging $2-$3 a ticket. Again, I have no earthly idea what the figures are on this theater (and neither does anyone else commenting here) but I just want to know, what on god's green earth does anyone have to gain from lying about this theater? If it isn't doing well, it will eventually close. Why does it matter?

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I'm having a difficult time parsing this because of the poor grammar, but the old theater shouldn't even be included in the discussion since it was a two-theater cinema not showing new releases and charging $2-$3 a ticket. Again, I have no earthly idea what the figures are on this theater (and neither does anyone else commenting here) but I just want to know, what on god's green earth does anyone have to gain from lying about this theater? If it isn't doing well, it will eventually close. Why does it matter?
what on god's green earth does anyone have to gain from lying about this theater?

Seriously??? This thing was put together by our city government. If it was shown that things were tanking that would put them in a bad light. That in itself is a reason for most government entities.

Like the other guy said, if it was such a good thing it would have come about through private companies.

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The thing you mention about not making a profit off admission tickets is exactly my point; why are you coming to the conclusion that they don't make money based on the amount of moviegoers and simultaneously saying that isn't indicative of anything? Further, I have never heard of any such free nights(I can't help but think a theater that can offer a free night must be doing at least okay) and both times it was a film's opening night.
I can't tell if you think the Granite City Cinema is doing worse than most theaters, or if you're just postulating that all theaters are losing money which seems out of left field. Theaters aren't the moneymakers they once were; this is a fact. However, we're talking about a town that has nearly nothing else to do, especially in that part of town. I have no idea if GCC is making money but I have seen nothing to indicate otherwise and I'm inclined to believe you're the type of person who will automatically disagree with anything anyone in a position of political power says, even if it's benign and unimportant. Maybe I'm missing something, like exactly what nefarious plots can be carried out by lying about the profits of a movie theater, but by all means, wear your tinfoil hat proudly.
That is what i was saying. The fact that not many people are showing up for movies also means not as many expensive concessions are being sold. I just happened to mention the fact that the theater gets hardly any of the gate.

I also think the GCC is not doing as well as other cinemas in the area. I know it can work. Steve Dougherty recently bought and rehabbed the Stadium theater in Jerseyville. He also manages the rehabbed Marvel in Carlinville. They should have never closed down the one that was located where Applebees is now. It could have been rehabbed for a fraction of what it cost and you would have had a lot more people wanting to go. The location is much better out by Applebees.
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Jan 28, 2013
 
Your tinfoil hat is on way too tight, you say the theater not doing well would paint the city in a bad light; is there a single person left who DOESN'T think poorly of the Granite City government? The government worships the almighty dollar and if the theater was losing money it would be nixed.

As far as the old location goes, yes, it probably would have done very well there but it would have defeated the purpose of making downtown Granite better. Whether or not it has done that is up for debate, but that was part of its purpose.
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Jan 28, 2013
 
Jack wrote:
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I'm having a difficult time parsing this because of the poor grammar, but the old theater shouldn't even be included in the discussion since it was a two-theater cinema not showing new releases and charging $2-$3 a ticket. Again, I have no earthly idea what the figures are on this theater (and neither does anyone else commenting here) but I just want to know, what on god's green earth does anyone have to gain from lying about this theater? If it isn't doing well, it will eventually close. Why does it matter?
Thank you for your insult. Your grammatical skills are not the best either. However I will make it a one liner for your type of mind.
If it were profitable to run a theater in Granite, private industry would already be doing so.
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<quoted text>Thank you for your insult. Your grammatical skills are not the best either. However I will make it a one liner for your type of mind.
If it were profitable to run a theater in Granite, private industry would already be doing so.
Believe it or not, I wasn't trying to insult you, I have seen more of your posts on here and they're not written like that one. I just couldn't parse it, it seemed like it was missing words or something. This is the internet, no one has perfect grammar.

No one is going to run a theater in Granite that isn't profitable. It is impossible to get the city to part with one red
cent, I have a hard time believing they're just throwing money at the wind for no reason.

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Jack wrote:
Your tinfoil hat is on way too tight, you say the theater not doing well would paint the city in a bad light; is there a single person left who DOESN'T think poorly of the Granite City government? The government worships the almighty dollar and if the theater was losing money it would be nixed.
As far as the old location goes, yes, it probably would have done very well there but it would have defeated the purpose of making downtown Granite better. Whether or not it has done that is up for debate, but that was part of its purpose.
Downtown Granite was dead long ago. Lately, they have only driven a loyal business out of downtown. They have added nothing at all. It was foolish to even try this experiment. Hey at least we can't say we didn't try to resurrect the Edsel.

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Jack wrote:
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Believe it or not, I wasn't trying to insult you, I have seen more of your posts on here and they're not written like that one. I just couldn't parse it, it seemed like it was missing words or something. This is the internet, no one has perfect grammar.
No one is going to run a theater in Granite that isn't profitable. It is impossible to get the city to part with one red
cent, I have a hard time believing they're just throwing money at the wind for no reason.
This is more county wide, but Madison County Transit is highly unprofitable, but we continue to support and pour money into that. So that is one example of government pouring money into something that is not profitable.

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