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Ron

Maryville, TN

#1 Nov 12, 2008
Boo-hoo. Too bad. This isn't the 30's and the 40's, smoking isn't considered a health benefit and encouraged by doctors and dentists in magazine ads anymore. Hopefully the "inconvenience" that smokers are experiencing will cause them to quit, and save a few years of their life.

My mother quit smoking after 25 years, and hasn't lit up almost 10 years from then. If you have the willpower, you can do it. Hell, with the price of cigarettes today, and the worsening economy, that alone should be motivation.
Concerned

Erie, PA

#2 Nov 12, 2008
I see some good in this! Any of the above places mentioned that still allow smoking but do server food will soon have to comply. All the smokers will goto these places and once their sales of food goes over 20% then that place will have to comply. Soon no place will allow smoking.

So smokers you must realize your making it better for those who want clean restaurants.
angie

Kennett Square, PA

#3 Nov 12, 2008
oh, poor babies, an inconvience? What about all those non smokers that put up with smelling like ashtrays for all these years. I say it is about time!
schwartz

Phoenixville, PA

#4 Nov 12, 2008
this is just the beginning of your loss of rights...
Richard

Harmonsburg, PA

#5 Nov 12, 2008
How about posting the clean air establishments since everyone knows that second hand smoke is a real health issue! Around 74% of Americans don't smoke! Wake Up and take notice of all the other big states in the US and their smoke free laws. Clean air for the will of the majority as per the Constitution.

Since: Sep 08

Shelby, OH

#6 Nov 12, 2008
I'm glad you smokers have to go outside and freeze you butts off. This makes up for all those years that I had to breath your cancerous 2nd hand smoke.
Sandie

Akron, OH

#7 Nov 12, 2008
My husband & I went to a local restaurant over the weekend and had to pass through a stinky cloud of cigarette smoke from those huddled outside smoking. But, it was worth it to go inside and enjoy our dinner without having to breathe the disgusting, cancer-causing effects of someone else's bad habit.
Brock Landers

Pittsburgh, PA

#8 Nov 12, 2008
Is the "Right To Smoke" listed somewhere on the Bill of Rights as I'm not seeing it. People can do whatever they want in most cases so long as it doesn't infringe on somebody else. For instance you can go have sex all you want in your house but you're not allowed to in public. I don't hear people complaining because they can't have sex on a table at a bar.
Cindy

Erie, PA

#9 Nov 12, 2008
I think it's trashy now that every bar you go to the people are gathered up outside the door smoking because they cant be inside. I know even when I drive past non-smoking places now there are always people outside it just looks bad.
dilligaf

Edinboro, PA

#10 Nov 12, 2008
Brock Landers wrote:
Is the "Right To Smoke" listed somewhere on the Bill of Rights as I'm not seeing it.
Yup, it's right next to the part where it says the government has the right to tell a PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNER how to operate THEIR business.

You can't miss it.
schwartz

Phoenixville, PA

#11 Nov 12, 2008
yes ...smokers are a minority group being discriminated against...where is the aclu....their rights are being trampled. They will soon have separate rest rooms, separate drinking fountains, they won't be allowed on the bus....
say whaaa

Erie, PA

#12 Nov 12, 2008
looking at that list just shows how utterly uncreative Erie's bar owners are in naming their establishments.
Brock Landers

Pittsburgh, PA

#13 Nov 12, 2008
dilligaf wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup, it's right next to the part where it says the government has the right to tell a PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNER how to operate THEIR business.
You can't miss it.
Ok, so by that method of thinking pollution put into the air/water by private companies is ok and the government has no right to govern the amount of pollution. All because that would be "telling a private business owner how to operate their business". When there is a public health risk involved it super-cedes how somebody wants to "run their business".
dilligaf

Edinboro, PA

#14 Nov 12, 2008
Brock Landers wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, so by that method of thinking pollution put into the air/water by private companies is ok and the government has no right to govern the amount of pollution. All because that would be "telling a private business owner how to operate their business". When there is a public health risk involved it super-cedes how somebody wants to "run their business".
While I see your point, it is actually NOT the same thing, because there have always been non-smoking establishments available for non-smokers to patronize.

Quite simply, if a business allows smoking, non-smokers have never been forced to patronize that business. But under the new law, business owners are forced to not allow smoking.

Don't get me wrong, I am a smoker and there ARE times when I do not want to be around smoke. I do not like being around smoke while I'm eating, and even long before the ban, I dined in the non-smoking section of restaurants. But if I'm just out for a couple drinks, I like to be able to have a cigarette.

Along the same lines, I am not a "rude smoker." I understand that a lot of non-smokers are very adamant about not being around smoke, and even before the ban, I always went out of my way to accomodate them. For example I was at a birthday party at a local establishment that allowed smoking. I could tell my smoke was bothering a woman, and I apologized to her and walked away to another area where others were smoking. I always do things like this.

I just think it is completely wrong to force someone to run their business in any way other than the way the owner wants to run it.
Scuba Steve

Erie, PA

#15 Nov 12, 2008
Do you need any more of a reason to quit smoking than this...

If you smoke and hang out in bars that permit smoking you do not have the lung capacity to be part of the Scuba Squad!
Jim

Youngstown, OH

#16 Nov 12, 2008
The smoking ban was to be because of health reasons so what went wrong. I am a life time member at the American Legion and the eterans of Foreign Wars clubs. I attended a meeting at a VFW club and only 8 people(board members) voted for the smoking ban. There were 7 votes for it and 1 vote against it. I was not allowed to vote because I am only a life time non-member.

These private clubs allows children in the bar where sometimes the smoke is so thick all you can see is blue. The children has to be out of the bars by 9 PM.

I read the clean air act as it applies to private clubs and was surprised to see them and to think that the people that we voted into the senate and house of representivbes of Pennsylvania could allow the clubs to write their own laws; because it was obvious to me that they could not possibly be so stupid as to write something like this for the health of the citizens of Pennsylvanias.

When you read the paper, the buswiness owner says their rights are being violated, but they need a liquor license to be in business. If it was there rights then they would NOT need a liqor license to be in business.

If the people in Harrisburg are interested in our health then they would have voted for a total ban and that way it would have been a fair law and all business would be playing with the same deck of cards.

It is obvious that I am a non smoker and have been since my mini stroke in 1985 and the doctor told me to quit smoking if I wanted to see another birthday.I had been smoking everysince 1950 when I went into the Air Force and they marched us over to the BX to get a carton of cigarettes. We were allowed to smoke when ever they told us to "light them up." Then they told us to put them out and to field strip them. i know from experience that it is hard to quit smoking and that you will always have the urge to light one up but you must say to yourself; if you want to see another birthday don't light one up....
justme

Greensburg, PA

#17 Nov 12, 2008
Since I just quit smoking almost 2 months ago after 12 years of smoking, I'll chime in.

I think it's great, the smoking ban. When I first started smoking I thought it was my right. I didn't think of others. Then as I grew up I realized that it DOES hurt others. I was ashamed I was a smoker. I hid it so I didn't bother others. It isn't my right. It's a privilege. If I want to smoke, I SHOULD have to go somewhere that it won't affect someone else.

Quit complaining. Just be glad you're even allowed to smoke at all. Actually, you should quit now while you can. I can actually walk up stairs without getting winded now. I can run with my kids more than 30 seconds. I can do so much more physically, and I have tons of extra time now that I'm not spending 5 minutes here and there smoking. I figured out I'll save about $750 a year from not buying cigarettes, and I smoked the cheapest ones out there and only smoked about half a pack a day. In college I smoked much more, though. I figure in the last 12 years I've spent at least $8,000 on tobacco and a couple hundred on products to try and quit smoking. I could have bought a new car with that.

Seriously, think about it. How much do you spend on cigarettes in a week? Multiply that by 52. That's about how much you spend in a year just on smoking.

Even when I smoked, I couldn't stand walking through a crowd of folks smoking, or having someone blow smoke into my face while walking behind them through town. And I was a smoker.

There will be a day that you are just ready to quit. You will know when it comes. It took the girl I bought my last pack telling me she had quit for almost 2 months because I had told her to quit now while you can. She did and I realized I could, too. I just quit cold turkey and started exercising that night. It suppresses cravings. Sure I have cravings, but I don't ever want to go that road again, and don't congratulate me for quitting something I shouldn't have started in the first place. I wasted 12 years of my life.

“Veritas Vincit. Pro Libertate”

Since: Jun 08

peoples republic of Madison

#18 Nov 12, 2008
Ron wrote:
Boo-hoo. Too bad. This isn't the 30's and the 40's, smoking isn't considered a health benefit and encouraged by doctors and dentists in magazine ads anymore. Hopefully the "inconvenience" that smokers are experiencing will cause them to quit, and save a few years of their life.
My mother quit smoking after 25 years, and hasn't lit up almost 10 years from then. If you have the willpower, you can do it. Hell, with the price of cigarettes today, and the worsening economy, that alone should be motivation.
Then why do I get the urge to say Heil!
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Freedom

Niles, MI

#19 Nov 12, 2008
Brock Landers wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, so by that method of thinking pollution put into the air/water by private companies is ok and the government has no right to govern the amount of pollution. All because that would be "telling a private business owner how to operate their business". When there is a public health risk involved it super-cedes how somebody wants to "run their business".
I find your reasoning quite hollow as it is based on circular reasoning where one intrusion automatically justifies another...which of course justifies yet another. What a dangerous way to attempt to apply logic.

It would appear you are missing the obvious. Tell us...when like minded individuals lose the right to gather indoors on private property to enjoy a LEGAL lifestyle...what loss of rights would you quote?

When the owner of the property is forced to change their LEGAL lifestyle on their own land...even in their private office...what loss of rights would you quote?

Can you site precedent for this kind of insanity from our nations past...that you are particularly proud of?

One more point...are you willing to apply your sides ridiculous standard of "no safe level" to all forms of indoor smoke that contain known carcinogens...or only to those of your sides choosing?

“Just Say No to Smoking Bans”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#20 Nov 12, 2008
justme wrote:
Since I just quit smoking almost 2 months ago after 12 years of smoking, I'll chime in.
I think it's great, the smoking ban. When I first started smoking I thought it was my right. I didn't think of others. Then as I grew up I realized that it DOES hurt others. I was ashamed I was a smoker. I hid it so I didn't bother others. It isn't my right. It's a privilege. If I want to smoke, I SHOULD have to go somewhere that it won't affect someone else.
Quit complaining. Just be glad you're even allowed to smoke at all. Actually, you should quit now while you can. I can actually walk up stairs without getting winded now. I can run with my kids more than 30 seconds. I can do so much more physically, and I have tons of extra time now that I'm not spending 5 minutes here and there smoking. I figured out I'll save about $750 a year from not buying cigarettes, and I smoked the cheapest ones out there and only smoked about half a pack a day. In college I smoked much more, though. I figure in the last 12 years I've spent at least $8,000 on tobacco and a couple hundred on products to try and quit smoking. I could have bought a new car with that.
Seriously, think about it. How much do you spend on cigarettes in a week? Multiply that by 52. That's about how much you spend in a year just on smoking.
Even when I smoked, I couldn't stand walking through a crowd of folks smoking, or having someone blow smoke into my face while walking behind them through town. And I was a smoker.
There will be a day that you are just ready to quit. You will know when it comes. It took the girl I bought my last pack telling me she had quit for almost 2 months because I had told her to quit now while you can. She did and I realized I could, too. I just quit cold turkey and started exercising that night. It suppresses cravings. Sure I have cravings, but I don't ever want to go that road again, and don't congratulate me for quitting something I shouldn't have started in the first place. I wasted 12 years of my life.
As your name indicates, your experience is "just me" Congratulations on your choice to quit smoking. It appears it was something you chose to do of your own free will. Now, get off the pulpit, and go back to enjoying your life. Your experience, like that of most former smokers, is preachy and self important. Please allow others to exercise the same free will you did in their choice to smoke or not smoke. It appears you did not need a smoking ban to quit smoking, so what gives you the right to demand a smoking ban for others who have decided not to quit smoking?

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