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United House of Prayer for All People: Bishop's body in Charlot...

There are 9681 comments on the www.topix.net story from Apr 7, 2008, titled United House of Prayer for All People: Bishop's body in Charlot.... In it, www.topix.net reports that:

The body of Bishop S.C. 'Sweet Daddy' Madison -- only the third leader in the 89-year-history of the United House of Prayer for All People -- will lie in state Thursday night at the denomination's palatial N.C. ...

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Long time member

Kernersville, NC

#1107 Dec 21, 2010
TO Organized Religion
The reason members must pay to rid the buses is because it takes gas to run the buses and maintenance must be done on the buses as well.adn you're right it is a BILLION dollar organization why do you think there is some much fighting and back stabing among the "pastors" and counselmen many wan to be in control of the money. They have gone so fare as to try and set up regions within the HOP and have elected "bishops" for each region.
Now, I'm sure you already know that will NEVER happen.
We all know where they (HOP) would be in they had to pay taxes, however like most other churches, most monies are in cash and if you know anything about business you know how to make cash disappear. If you have been in the HOP for any amount of time you know that a number of the "pastors"/members are thives, and lining their own pockets. When they are caught nothing is really done, they might be sent to another HOP and removed from certain higher positions but the money is rarly ever returned. The amount of money that has been stolen from the HOP in the past 80+ years is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
no where in the bible does it say you can buy your way into heaven. Therefore I have another question that HOP members should ponder, WHY are you putting to put yourself in dyer straits, making yourself unhappy all for the sake of trying to "keep up with the joneses"? If you put the theives in jail you could close down many of the HOP's.
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#1108 Dec 21, 2010
@ Long Time Member

I'm not sure how to respond to you. In some instances you seem to understand but then on the other hand I can tell that you're not quite in the know; please don't take that disrepectfully. It's a BILLION dollar organization like you acknowledged gas and maintenance for the buses should be in the budget. It's a NON-PROFIT organization. Continually buying buses and building church buildings where there is little or no members is simply a poor business investment and a waste of money.

If the organization had a proper board of trustees or qualified individuals to govern the finances there would likely be less chance of the money being stolen or mismanaged. As for the regional Bishops that's actually a great idea. That way there's more accountability and structure not just a one man show. Just something to ponder the Bishop is in charge of all monies that come in to the church. How can ONE man really understand how to properly account for that type of money?

It's a billion dollar organization with the financial accounting structure of a mom and pop store. Money disappears because there simply is NO accountability and that starts from the top. Maybe you don't know the truth, but in the 90+ years the organization has been in existence the scope of the church has not changed it's the same pyramid scheme.

Again to answer your question they give money that way because it's taught. It pains me that the responsibility is taken off of the leadership. It's is taught from the Bishop on down to the ministers that you have to give ALL to sacrifice in order for GOD to bless. Members always deny this when it's questioned or pointed out. "Who told you to give all your money? Why would you put yourself in debt to pay G-Class and tithes?"

I'll answer the questions very simply; BECAUSE DADDY TOLD THEM TO.
Im Free

Philadelphia, PA

#1109 Dec 21, 2010
To, Organize Religion and Cultastic, To picky back on what you said about the G Class, It was started by McCollough as another mechanism to raise money for the "upbuilding of the kingdom" along with many other offerings, round marches, tickets/drawings, gleening the house, anniverseries, selling food and anything else you could sell.

However the G Class was most successful because you were told that you had to get a number inorder to be accepted into heaven and the smaller the number the greater the reward. So if you were number "One" you would have the highest number and you would be entitled to get a fur coat, and also you would be recognized as the highest payer in the organization. My mother would work tirelessly and she made many sacrifices to "Make the Floor" which at that time was $500.

Although it is financially profitable to have a mortgage free church, to whom is it profitting when the members have to still struggle to maintain the property.

What is most profitable in the sight of my God is Math. 25:35 When I was hungry you gave me something to eat, etc.....

Members please read also, Math. 21:13, "My House shall be called the House of Prayer BUT YOU HAVE MADE IT A DEN OF THIEVES".

Oh God, forgive me if I am being offensive, but it is the truth. I love everyone in the HOP but I'm trying to open your eyes.
TrryOh

Montgomery, AL

#1110 Dec 22, 2010
Any business can collapse under it's own weight.You all know how i feel about that Church fer sure.But speaking financially,there has to be common sense.Churches tend to run lean in hard times,even Mega Churches.The total from all of the Churches has to be tallied,some will have to carry others and some may have to close,or be used for multiple uses,such as community centers keeping in mind that Church and State are seperate!
My point is,who really owns it,the members that support it or the board?Pentecostal have to learn to stand up or they will always get punked.
Long time member

Kernersville, NC

#1111 Dec 22, 2010
To Cultastic - WASH.

I'm not offended by your comments,it's only one of many opinions, but I have to tell you I DO KNOW the problems in the HOP and they are many. I also get that members put out hugh somes of money soley because "daddy" said we had to. The basic concept of the HOP has not changed in decades and quiet honestly the powers that be don't want it to change. Who in their right mind would make themselves loose billions of dollars by telling the members "we come together to praise God and give him the glory these billions of dollars mean nothing to GOD therefore keep your money in your pockets, live the best life that you can and keep in close contact with GOD". Wake up and smell the coffee......!!! that will never happen and as long as the vast majority does not ask for finacial reports or accountability this organization will be around for another 80+ years. Having said that I have found from conversing with many of my sisters and brothers in the HOP there is a growing concern about a lot of the issues we have discussed in the forum. The question to ask is who should be on this board of trustees, notice the word TRUSTEE...which clearly means that the board would have to be made up of people that the majority trusts. Now, we all know that power corupts, it is what it is, which means that some of the trustees may be thives themselvs, I don't mean to sound senical by there needs to be a total overhaul of my church, I dont know when/or if that will ever happen. There is a lot of winks and nods from the top ministers on down. I will continue to worship there however, I will continue to do what I have been doing for a couple of decades, go to service fellowship with the brothers nd sisters in spirit discard "the garbage" and move on. I do not intend to give thousands and thousands of my hard earned money to the "G class" because I know enough will never be enough. As I have stated before, you must take responsibility for your own stupidity.
TrryOh

Maiden, NC

#1112 Dec 22, 2010
WOW,LTM.I am impressed.It takes a lot for a person in this type of Church to stand up and question the so called leaders.Usually the member will walk around blindly,thinking if they even have a thought contrary to the preacher,the preacher will know.It shows me two things.One,the true Holy Spirit is coming through.Two,that having doubt in the leadership does not mean doubt in your beliefs.Amen.
Somebody on here posted something to the effect that one of the 'daddy'had Alzheimer and began to speak of the leaders secrets and had to be silenced.If that is true,has anyone considered that God is performing a true miracle and opening the members eyes!I pray that all of these Pentecostal based Churches have an awakening and realize they are allowed to have doubt and ask questions about anything from the leaders interpretations to the Churches finances.

Since: Dec 10

AOL

#1113 Dec 28, 2010
The only difference between the UHOP and a Night Club is the UHOP don't have a "Liquor License". The women can't wear Pant Suits to church, but they can sleep with each others husband. They call the people of the world "blackouts", yet they sing every song every blackout made. The UHOP has many great musicians, but they can’t write gospel music because they don’t know the Bible.

The UHOP is preparing their members for Hell, not Heaven. They think by giving all their money in G Class they have paid for a seat in Heaven. Wake up people, it don't take much too serve God; It's how we treat each other. It takes a whole lot too serve that man you all call Daddy.

Give something back to the members other than a big Church that don't have enough members to pay the light bills. Another thing, how come you all won’t make Madison’s wife sit down. If I didn’t know any better, I would think your Bishop had two wives. It’s time too speak up. You know what’s going on is not right.

Someone said that Bailey wants to go back to the old days. I told them to be very careful; they raped the children in the old days. I am a victim of being rape in the UHOP. They pushed it under the rug like they do everything. I was 14 years old, no one was made accountable.

I have 5 generations of family members in this church. I’ve watched them rob; steal and cheat too pay G-Class. They don’t have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out. They give all their money and get nothing in return. You pay for everything in the UHOP, even a meal. There are no programs in play for seniors, or the young. No Church should be allowed to collect a dime if they don’t give anything back to the people that serve.

They thank God for a used car, and brag about the Bishops’ new Bulletproof Limo. The Bishop rides around in a Chauffeured Limo, with Security Guards protecting him. While the members stand on street corners waiting for Public Transportation. If he’s a man of God, who’s he afraid of?

I applied for a McCollough Scholarship and was given 52.00. They said they are saving money incase they have to feed the UHOP members. Well, if they feed you like they feed me that Scholarship, you better save your own money.

The UHOP is a CULT. Yes I said it. A cult is when someone else thinks for you.

The people in the UHOP are not living, they exist. God created this world; yet they have not seen any of Gods labor. I was born and raised in the UHOP in Bishop Grace Days; I’ve called my last man Daddy. Thank God I got out. I’m no longer stuck on Stupid. I’ve stopped trying to educate UHOP members. The only ones complaining are we who were able to get out. I’ve come to the conclusion,“If they like it, I love it”.
TrryOh

Murfreesboro, TN

#1114 Dec 30, 2010
ALL Pentecostals,not just the hoppers.Pay your light bill and buy food before tithing.

Since: Dec 10

AOL

#1115 Jan 1, 2011
The Bishop of the UHOP sent a 2011 New Years message to his followers,“Stop wearing braids”,“Stop socializing with non-members”, Stop going places other than the UHOP”,“Stop wearing pants on UHOP grounds”. His whole message was about control. When is this Man Made Bishop going to teach love to everyone God created? When did God start looking at your outer appearance instead of your heart?

Where is the joy of being a member of the UHOP? The members have the burdens of taking care of the Bishop, Paying Pastors Offering, Paying Church Expenses, Paying Tithes, Buying Uniforms, and Paying Dues. Buying the food they have to cook and sell in the Church. They have to pay to Travel, pay for Hotel. After all of that, they still have to live.

One year in Virginia for Convocation this lady had a table full of buttons that read “Daddy Said, Say No To Drugs”. I pick one up and she said 1.00. I asked her was the money going towards a Drug Program. She said no, we don’t have a Drug Program. I told her then it should be free.

She explained that Drug Programs gave out Drugs, and they were a church.
I tried to explain to her as a church we should have all programs to help the people. Drug Programs also consist of Counseling and Literature. I finally gave up and walked away, leaving the button behind.

The UHOP paid 400 Million to a White man to rebuild churches. Why didn’t they use some of that money to educate their members? Put Black people to work. No that would have been the right thing to do. Instead the members are saying that white man cheated the UHOP. God will make him suffer. Wake up people, he’s suffering all the way to the Bank and laughing at you.

Separations among Black folks are taught in Churches. As long as a person is serving God, should it matter whose church God is served in?

Thank You to who ever created this blog. I just found you. There are so many things that I have wanted to say for years. I’m finally getting the chance to get them off my chest. It feels real good. I felt victimize for so many years. Thank You
visitor

Philadelphia, PA

#1116 Jan 1, 2011
Wow, where was the Bishop when he said this
TrryOh

Murfreesboro, TN

#1117 Jan 1, 2011
I say forget the races and put ALL Americans to work.My bet is they had black employees too.Sigh,still a ton of ignorance,but getting better.
Long Term Member

Clemmons, NC

#1118 Jan 1, 2011
AMEN...!! G-TEE
I am a member and I wear braids..(and they look good)..no where in the bible does it say that you cannot wear briads, the bible says that a women's hair is her crown and glory...but does it say that we should not cut our hair?...yes a lot of what is not accepted in the UHOP is made up by the bishop and his likes and dislikes, and I don't agree with a lot of them, the UHOP is for all people which means we have thives, drug dealers, back sliders, people that sleep with other peoples husbands and wives....we have everythin in the UHOP that is out there in "the world" because the UHOP is for ALL people. Therefore I don't undertand why some members think they are better than those that are not member of the HOP. As I have stated before I think for myself, I love my braids and have been wearing them for years and I don't intend to stop now. What are they (UHOP members) going to do?...tell me that I am disobeynig "daddys word" I'll agree and continue to wear them....they can't put me out so tough.....!!!!
Daddy is my ROCK

Washington, DC

#1119 Jan 1, 2011
James Tate Jr...oops scuse me "CULTASTIC" stop hiding and come out of the closet.
TrryOh

Murfreesboro, TN

#1120 Jan 2, 2011
Putting out peoples names means nothing.Your daddy is playing you all for suckers.
Long time member

Kernersville, NC

#1121 Jan 2, 2011
I understand that Daddy is your rock, be careful that the same rock does not roll over you....no seervant of GOd would be as arrogant and rund as "Daddy" Bailey and as for wearing braids little black kids wore braid long before the UHOP was ever built and long before "Daddy Grace's" time. I believe this is a personal preference of our recent leaders, since when does it matter to GOD how you wear your hair???? I know...what your response is....according to "Daddy" these things are of "the world" and members should not be copying the "world". My next question is...Does God not have the ability to save the world? and will GOD look at the style of your hair, the clothes you wear or the type of house or car you have?....I THINK NOT....!!! my next question is what GOD would direct his "servant" to even consentrate on such minute things in the first place????..... if I'm living a holy life and my heart is pure and I'm being the best person I can be does it really matter how I wear my hair?????? this is one of the reasons members are dropping like flies because this foolishness about braid, cutting your hair,...etc is just a little bit over the top in the control department. NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT STATE THAT WEARING BRAIDS IS A SIN...!!! HOWEVER THE BIBLE DOES LIST THE 7 DEADLY SINS.....GLUTTONY IS ONE OF THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS...!!!! when will GOD tell "Daddy" Bailey HE is commiting a sin by being 200+ lbs over weight???????!!! I'm sure he'll say that GOD has forgiven him for THAT sin but the same GOD will not even consider forgiving someone that wears braids.....!!!PLLLLLEEEASE.... !!
Long time member

Kernersville, NC

#1122 Jan 2, 2011
One more thing.....
the bible says obedience is better than sacrifice and since I'm trying to obey GOD's word on a daily basis I don't think I'm going to sacrifice my braids....!!!
Long time member

Kernersville, NC

#1123 Jan 2, 2011
I wonder if GOD will ever tell "Daddy" Bailey that arrogance and rudness does not a good servant make. OH... by the way I must sign off for now because I'm on my way to the UHOP.....!!! PEACE OUT...!!
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#1124 Jan 2, 2011
Daddy is my ROCK wrote:
James Tate Jr...oops scuse me "CULTASTIC" stop hiding and come out of the closet.
Mr. or Mrs. Daddy is my ROCK I'm here; now that you've called my name I dare you to identify yourself. LMAO @ "come out of the closet." Is that the best you can do because you're upset? You have to do better than that.

Since: Dec 10

AOL

#1125 Jan 2, 2011
To Daddy is my ROCK

James Tate Jr. can quote the Bible, can you? If you can then you would no, "He who stand without sin, Let him .........." Can you, who never carry a Bible to Church, finish this scripture?

Leave Tate alone. He's hungry for the word of God. Like so many of us, use to be UHOP members. The Bread of Heaven is feeding us, not the words of a man.
star NNMH child

Newport News, VA

#1126 Jan 2, 2011
Long time member wrote:
I understand that Daddy is your rock, be careful that the same rock does not roll over you....no seervant of GOd would be as arrogant and rund as "Daddy" Bailey and as for wearing braids little black kids wore braid long before the UHOP was ever built and long before "Daddy Grace's" time. I believe this is a personal preference of our recent leaders, since when does it matter to GOD how you wear your hair???? I know...what your response is....according to "Daddy" these things are of "the world" and members should not be copying the "world". My next question is...Does God not have the ability to save the world? and will GOD look at the style of your hair, the clothes you wear or the type of house or car you have?....I THINK NOT....!!! my next question is what GOD would direct his "servant" to even consentrate on such minute things in the first place????..... if I'm living a holy life and my heart is pure and I'm being the best person I can be does it really matter how I wear my hair?????? this is one of the reasons members are dropping like flies because this foolishness about braid, cutting your hair,...etc is just a little bit over the top in the control department. NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT STATE THAT WEARING BRAIDS IS A SIN...!!! HOWEVER THE BIBLE DOES LIST THE 7 DEADLY SINS.....GLUTTONY IS ONE OF THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS...!!!! when will GOD tell "Daddy" Bailey HE is commiting a sin by being 200+ lbs over weight???????!!! I'm sure he'll say that GOD has forgiven him for THAT sin but the same GOD will not even consider forgiving someone that wears braids.....!!!PLLLLLEEEASE.... !!
Wow !!!!!

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