Paul White: Gang rape watchers a prod...

Paul White: Gang rape watchers a product of schools' moral void

There are 75 comments on the LA Daily News story from Nov 2, 2009, titled Paul White: Gang rape watchers a product of schools' moral void. In it, LA Daily News reports that:

THE refusal by dozens of students and adults to intervene in a two-hour gang rape at a Richmond, Calif.

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Brian

Los Angeles, CA

#1 Nov 2, 2009
What ever happened to parents teaching kids values? Who made that the schools' job?
True Story

Fontana, CA

#2 Nov 2, 2009
Brian wrote:
What ever happened to parents teaching kids values? Who made that the schools' job?
This IS the values these scuzbag parents teach their kids.
The kids are already ruined by the time the schools get them, as they see these values at home from time of birth.
Parents don't teach any morals and the schools are not allowed to teach them, so we're becoming a nation of savage animals.
elfster

Cape Coral, FL

#3 Nov 3, 2009
The author of this LA news article is a blooming idiot. The primary and most important source of teaching morality and a social conscience is the home environment. The school system didn't birth these animals, so they sure as hell can't be held accountable for the dysfunctional and permissive way in which their parent(s) raised them.

If a parent fails to teach their child even the most basic of moral and social responsiblity, it sure as hell isn't the school fault but the parent's.

Each and every one of these wolves are a complete reflection of their home life and how they were raised. It is obvious they're sociopathic monsters and the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
Amazed

Beverly Hills, CA

#4 Nov 3, 2009
The fault lies not with a school, the fault lay with the culture of our society. Moral literacy is taught at home and is not a part of the standardized tests that politicians and the public expect a school to teach. Stop blaming teachers and the schools for every ill of society. Blame yourselves for your misplaced priorities.

“With Attitude”

Since: Oct 09

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#6 Nov 3, 2009
Too many parents, especially in cities, shove their kids out the door in the morning and say 'go play'. The kid comes back to eat and then is pushed right back out the door. Morals and values are learned out on the street from kids the same age or older ones. I've seen parents that don't even talk to their kid unless he/she does something wrong that directly affects the parent. Then it's just a quick 'don't do that again or I'll whip the daylights out of you'.

As for teaching morals at school. Social behavior, well, maybe. Morals.... to be honest, Iíve had teachers that I would not have wanted to be teaching me, or my future children, their ideas of morals.
Im telling

San Francisco, CA

#7 Nov 3, 2009
People are not equipped to intevene in crime. They are blameless.
It's a voyeurist society of movie goers. They are doing what they have become accustomed to doing in theaters, on tevevision, and on the internet. I have read that it happened because there wasn't good lighting. Always searching for someone to blame other than the criminals. I suppose it's in the search for the deep pocket and, also, because of the age of the perpetrators, and, because the girl was in the area willingly, although she was not intending to come to harm.
Vendetta

Skokie, IL

#8 Nov 3, 2009
As our society becomes more and more gluttonous people lose the mental capibility to take action.

One of the reasons team sports and athletics are so important at a young age is it provides people with a sense of being capable and able to accomplish that which they may not otherwise feel physicaly able to do. Physical does effect mental.

Unfortunatly, we also continue to remove religion from society. Most religions, if nothing else teach about the importance of helping others. No society has ever thrived without religion because it provides us with a sense of value for eachother.

I am not saying that someone who has no religion or athlitic background can't be or wouldn't be helpful, I'm just saying that these two thing raise the odds of building people who will take action in needed situations.

We also weaken society by creating rules of kindness. I know it seems twisted but when you disallow name calling and bullying to some extent you build a people who look to run instead of stand and fight. If someone being called a name knows they can turn to an elder for assistance instead of standing up for themselves, you slowly create a weaker person. Also in some cases you may be justifying poor behavior but not allowing others to harshly point out such behavior.

We currently teach not to engage instead of teaching the correct way to engage. Weak people we create.

Since: Jun 09

Columbia, SC

#9 Nov 3, 2009
I think schools reflect society and society is reflected in the moral compass of parents. Schools cannot teach in a few hours a day that which is antithetical to what kids see, believe and live the rest of their lives. As long as we have rampant teenage pregnancy, single parenthood, absent fathers, and gang role models our country will continue it's decline into a cesspool of moral decay.

Parents who quit school, or came across the border illegally, or are criminals, or who refuse to work are ill equipped to produce 'good kids'. We can expect no different in the future for there is nothing that society can do to cleanse itself of this cancer when the cancer has spread so very far and deep inside of us. Making matters worse is the liberal attitude that todays kids just need a helping hand. Anyone who has spent time with hardcore criminals either in or out of prison knows that their allegiance runs as deep as the tattoos that cover their bodies. Some change their ways. Most do not. Liberals say we should not lock people up for non-violent crimes!

Drugs account for more than 2/3 of all incarcerations in this country. Crimes committed by people in the name of drugs include robbery, theft,
fraud, identity theft, drug sales, prostitution. Setting these felons free just means more criminals on the street and more crime. Someone breaks into my house to burglar it when I am home means his attempt at crime will become a violent crime one way or another. How may people are devastated by being the victim of any crime? Most I imagine. When someone breaks the law they earn a punishment, not a half way house and a voc rehab program in lieu of prison. Suffer your punishment and then see if you can benefit from rehab. You have to pay the piper first.
DKD

Lima, OH

#10 Nov 3, 2009
It is NOT the school's job to teach values! Its the school's job to teach reading, writing, technology, science, math, etc. There is no class called "Values". That begins in the home....with the family!
Les-B-Real

Newbury Park, CA

#11 Nov 3, 2009
What do you expect? Look at the ethnic breakdown of the neighborhood they live in.
RPSprott

United States

#12 Nov 3, 2009
In bemoaning the "no values approach" to education, Mr. White fails to identify the sources of these values he wishes desperately to teach our youth. All aspects of religion have been rejected as a source for values under threat of action by the ACLU and the ATLA. The schools are left with making their own rules. These rules have been limited to dress codes and dancing restrictions which are also under the eye of the ACLU's free speech monitors. The parents have given over their jobs to the schools and are busy watching "The View," "Oprah," or updating their Facebook pages. If some brilliant secular bureaucrat were to find a mystic social code that would solve all these problems, if would take two or three generations to have any effect. First you would have to grow a generation of morally fit parents and that's a tall task. Now we have the good ole' pop culture and its sexy, devil-may-care approach to living. Remember the Golden Rule? It's changed a bit. Now it's "Do unto to others as they would do unto you, only do it first."
As far as the gang rape is concerned, it takes a lot of courage to step into the fray and risk your life for someone who will most likely identify you as the rapist in order to protect herself from the gangsters. And don't forget that as a "rescuer" you are liable for any injuries resulting from your rescue. Thank the ATLA for that. It doesn't surprise me that no one stepped up to the plate. Keep in mind that the "rape event" mirrors that which is seen in movies and videos on an almost daily basis. The kids were probably excited that they got to see one "live."
TruthMarch

Puerto Rico

#13 Nov 3, 2009
RPSprott wrote:
In bemoaning the "no values approach" to education, Mr. White fails to identify the sources of these values he wishes desperately to teach our youth. All aspects of religion have been rejected as a source for values under threat of action by the ACLU and the ATLA. The schools are left with making their own rules. These rules have been limited to dress codes and dancing restrictions which are also under the eye of the ACLU's free speech monitors. The parents have given over their jobs to the schools and are busy watching "The View," "Oprah," or updating their Facebook pages. If some brilliant secular bureaucrat were to find a mystic social code that would solve all these problems, if would take two or three generations to have any effect. First you would have to grow a generation of morally fit parents and that's a tall task. Now we have the good ole' pop culture and its sexy, devil-may-care approach to living. Remember the Golden Rule? It's changed a bit. Now it's "Do unto to others as they would do unto you, only do it first."
As far as the gang rape is concerned, it takes a lot of courage to step into the fray and risk your life for someone who will most likely identify you as the rapist in order to protect herself from the gangsters. And don't forget that as a "rescuer" you are liable for any injuries resulting from your rescue. Thank the ATLA for that. It doesn't surprise me that no one stepped up to the plate. Keep in mind that the "rape event" mirrors that which is seen in movies and videos on an almost daily basis. The kids were probably excited that they got to see one "live."
How much courage does it take to call 911? The answer is NONE. Just common sense or common decency that could have remained anonymous, if one lack the courage.
George W Bush

Irvine, CA

#14 Nov 3, 2009
92% Hispanic 10% black and one of the worst schools in the state ...whats the big surprise here ..keep up the good work Pelosi ,Waxman,Boxer,Feinstein...its only a matter of time before California is the next Detroit
Edwin

United States

#15 Nov 3, 2009
Parents are working two and three jobs these days. And the Schools KNOW gangs exist. It is a fact of life. WHY weren't these security guards doing their jobs protecting these young women. The parents weren't supposed to be at the dance!
Obummer

Seattle, WA

#17 Nov 3, 2009
This is all Hollywood's and Obama's fault!! Kids today are used to watching non stop porn and sex on the internet. To them, watching this was just like watching a real live porno tape!
Vendetta

Chicago, IL

#18 Nov 3, 2009
DKD wrote:
It is NOT the school's job to teach values! Its the school's job to teach reading, writing, technology, science, math, etc. There is no class called "Values". That begins in the home....with the family!
Instead of teaching or not teaching morals and values, the schools block values. And many schools do in fact teach "Ethics" it's the study of philosophy and psychology, and sociology. They just no longer teach applications. Further many sports teach values, it's called sportsmanship... Again, just little application.

The schools block values, one example of this is zero tolerance policies. If Kid A hits a girl and Kid B steps in and the two fight and get caught, they both get punished for fighting. The school does not apply the values of Kid B to the situation.

The schools simply by being a social environment with rules are forced to apply judgement and thus some use of values. It doesn't matter if there is a class, the schools by nature are forced to teach values.

“With Attitude”

Since: Oct 09

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#19 Nov 3, 2009
I was agreeing pretty much with you until you got to the part about sports then I realized you more than likely got most of this from a book. The reality in High School concerning sport players is a bit different than what's in print. If sports teach values then why is it that football players, etc, are mostly the worse bullies in school? They also are known for date rapes. And don't say I don't know what I'm talking about. I've only been out of high School two years.
Shades

Los Angeles, CA

#20 Nov 3, 2009
Mr. "Bush," you might want to check your math. Apparently your school wasn't very good either.

“With Attitude”

Since: Oct 09

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#21 Nov 3, 2009
The worst habits I picked up.... a like for partying with a bit of sex thrown in with boys I was fond of, I didn't learn in school. I learned it out on the street. School was where I met people and made the friends I partied with 'after' school. Look to the parents, don't blame the schools if your kids turn out bad. Early and continuing supervision and education by the mother and father is the solution, or the problem if there isn't any guidance. And it can't be browbeaten into a kid, that wouldn't have worked with me, I would have rebelled. It has to be taught with love and care.
elfster

Cape Coral, FL

#22 Nov 4, 2009
And, like all cities Richmond has a highly publicised anonymous hotline too, where someone can call in a crime with no fear of retaliation. Hell, they didn't even have to give their name, just the location of the crime and what type is being committed.

These rabid animals know this information. It's as widely known as 911 itself. They chose not to call in this henious crime for one reason; the sick sob's enjoyed it and got their jollies off dehumanizing and battering a poor defenseless young woman.
TruthMarch wrote:
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How much courage does it take to call 911? The answer is NONE. Just common sense or common decency that could have remained anonymous, if one lack the courage.

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