Windfarm opposition

[Bob]

Anyone hear of any windfarm opposiion for Machias? I have worked on the windfarms in bliss. These windills are not as quiet as the claim.

[pro windfarm]

I'm not too sure. I know alot of people were trying to fight it due to the shadows they cast and the noise they make. I'm all for the windfarms, but they should place them in areas where they won't disturb people. I have land in PA that I don't use. I plan on getting a few thrown there. I was told you get $10,000 a year for every windmill you have on your property. If this holds any truth, I plan on making $40,000.00 yearly.

[concerned]

Bob wrote:

Anyone hear of any windfarm opposiion for Machias? I have worked on the windfarms in bliss. These windills are not as quiet as the claim.

Bob, you and I know that, but not sure if anyone is really listening to the truth. All anyone really hears is money calling

[Bob]

anyone have any contact numbers or emails to get opposition started .I heard that Sardinia fought back and got the wind companies to back out.

[Jorge]

It's interesting, I have worked construction jobs including drilling and pipelines. It seems that there are always people mad at us for building it in their "backyard". Amazingly there's always other people mad that we didn't build it in THEIR "backyard"

[bob]

Then lets build them in your backyard.i moved so i did not have to be disturbed.

[chad neal]

Bob wrote:

Anyone hear of any windfarm opposiion for Machias? I have worked on the windfarms in bliss. These windills are not as quiet as the claim.

Why can't the evolution of energy be accepted. No O zone or a little noise that in time will lull you to sleep.

[Chad makes a good point]

You don't hear people complain about others flying down the road past their house at 2 am with car speakers so loud that their windows in their houses rattle. And you don't hear complaints from those who have to deal with people flying past their house with no muffler. But you'll hear the whining when others are trying to make this world a better place to live. Isn't it worth a mere "swoosh swoosh"? Personally, I would take that over a neighbor's foo foo dog obsessively yapping 24/7. A little bit of noise and a simple shadow are the only sacrifices. If you don't like it...move up north with the darkies and white trash. You'll soon see things in a different light.

[concerned]

Chad makes a good point wrote:

You don't hear people complain about others flying down the road past their house at 2 am with car speakers so loud that their windows in their houses rattle. And you don't hear complaints from those who have to deal with people flying past their house with no muffler. But you'll hear the whining when others are trying to make this world a better place to live. Isn't it worth a mere "swoosh swoosh"? Personally, I would take that over a neighbor's foo foo dog obsessively yapping 24/7. A little bit of noise and a simple shadow are the only sacrifices. If you don't like it...move up north with the darkies and white trash. You'll soon see things in a different light.

A mere "swoosh swoosh? maybe YOU need to do a little research. A LITTLE noise and SIMPLE shadow you really havent done your homework. and no thank you I lived in a city once thats why I now live in the country, and your foo foo neighbors dog doesn't bark 24/7 but then you can always call the dog warden

[concerned]

Bob wrote:

anyone have any contact numbers or emails to get opposition started .I heard that Sardinia fought back and got the wind companies to back out.

come to one of the town board meetings, usually there are people there who are concerned that the town puts in place safe setbacks and noise limits in the law

[concerned]

a loud radio in a car, a car with no muffler, the train that goes by- these sounds come and then they go. The sounds from an industrial sized wind turbine does not go away unless it is turned off. If these 400 ft plus turbines are placed to close to a home, it is a proven fact that the people living too close to them are truly having a hard time living a normal life, especially trying to sleep. The noise levels in their homes are unhealthy, even by NYS standards. Rural America is quiet, that is why people move to it. To expect them to live with noise levels higher than cities is just plain nuts. Anything over 6 above ambient is doubling the noise and rural night time levels are one of the lowest to begin with and yet now some rural residences are living with 65 dba at night Even the cities don't have that 24 hours in a day. That is not a noise that will lull anyone to sleep.

[Greedywindturbin ehosters]

What a joke. What a bunch of dummies. Dogs barking and mufflers chugging doesn't happen 24/7. This is all about money and nothing more. I understand people need now more than ever, but at what cost? Viability, as elementary as it may seem, appears not to be part of the discussion when weighing alternatives for a more secure energy future. The fact that the methods we adopt to generate essential power in the coming years must at the very least be viable has not entered into the equation demonstrates that no one is really thinking that far ahead — not even our president-elect.
For him, the symbolic gesture alone has helped propel his political career, and nothing’s more symbolic these days than giant wind turbines. Al Gore and
T. Boone Pickens would have us revamp the nation’s entire electrical infrastructure based on the whims of the breeze, regardless of the fact that it would wreak havoc on thousands of fragile ecosystems, natural landscapes and rural communities overwhelmed in the aftermath of industrial wind power development on such an immense scale.
This irrational, misguided concept fails to acknowledge the extraordinary costs of wind power development and the fact that it cannot generate vital capacity and simply isn’t “viable.”
Research shows there are far superior alternative energies, and none that is so intrusive or degrading. Wind power cannot produce dependably or independently, and consistently fails to live up to even its own low expectations. It misleads us into believing that its development “here” will prevent an oil rig “there” or save our mountaintops from the ravages of coal mining. It won’t. Wind energy’s proliferation simply adds to the rape of the countryside in the relentless pursuit for power, but contributes nothing tangible toward that end.
Controversial carbon-offset programs, tax-avoidance schemes and government mandates that are in large part a result of Pickens’ intensive lobbying efforts, will increase his wealth to the detriment of citizens and taxpayers.
Commercial wind energy should be taken completely off the table when considering alternatives in which to invest our time and resources, but instead, because of political pressure, it’s at the top of the list. A new multibillion-dollar stimulus package may include more tax incentives for wind, even though the current federal program designed to bolster the U. S. renewable energy industry is being exploited by wind power companies.
If viability were the quantifying test, then no wind developer would ever meet the standard. Our decision-makers and their advisers must stop pandering to special interests and start making a genuine effort to understand the basics of the many options out there, and the distinct differences between them.
Wise choices will ensure sustainability and environmental stewardship, not degradation. Industrial wind power won’t stabilize soaring energy costs, stimulate the economy or cool a warming planet. It will only distract us from our goal of finding legitimate solutions that will truly make a meaningful and lasting difference.
written by Sue Sliwinski..........This will never amount to anything buy money in 23 peoples pockets and a rape of the beautiful countryside...shame on you for being so greedy!!!

[another concerned person]

Greedywindturbinehosters wrote:

What a joke. What a bunch of dummies. Dogs barking and mufflers chugging doesn't happen 24/7. This is all about money and nothing more. I understand people need now more than ever, but at what cost? Viability, as elementary as it may seem, appears not to be part of the discussion when weighing alternatives for a more secure energy future. The fact that the methods we adopt to generate essential power in the coming years must at the very least be viable has not entered into the equation demonstrates that no one is really thinking that far ahead — not even our president-elect.
For him, the symbolic gesture alone has helped propel his political career, and nothing’s more symbolic these days than giant wind turbines. Al Gore and
T. Boone Pickens would have us revamp the nation’s entire electrical infrastructure based on the whims of the breeze, regardless of the fact that it would wreak havoc on thousands of fragile ecosystems, natural landscapes and rural communities overwhelmed in the aftermath of industrial wind power development on such an immense scale.
This irrational, misguided concept fails to acknowledge the extraordinary costs of wind power development and the fact that it cannot generate vital capacity and simply isn’t “viable.”
Research shows there are far superior alternative energies, and none that is so intrusive or degrading. Wind power cannot produce dependably or independently, and consistently fails to live up to even its own low expectations. It misleads us into believing that its development “here” will prevent an oil rig “there” or save our mountaintops from the ravages of coal mining. It won’t. Wind energy’s proliferation simply adds to the rape of the countryside in the relentless pursuit for power, but contributes nothing tangible toward that end.
Controversial carbon-offset programs, tax-avoidance schemes and government mandates that are in large part a result of Pickens’ intensive lobbying efforts, will increase his wealth to the detriment of citizens and taxpayers.
Commercial wind energy should be taken completely off the table when considering alternatives in which to invest our time and resources, but instead, because of political pressure, it’s at the top of the list. A new multibillion-dollar stimulus package may include more tax incentives for wind, even though the current federal program designed to bolster the U. S. renewable energy industry is being exploited by wind power companies.
If viability were the quantifying test, then no wind developer would ever meet the standard. Our decision-makers and their advisers must stop pandering to special interests and start making a genuine effort to understand the basics of the many options out there, and the distinct differences between them.
Wise choices will ensure sustainability and environmental stewardship, not degradation. Industrial wind power won’t stabilize soaring energy costs, stimulate the economy or cool a warming planet. It will only distract us from our goal of finding legitimate solutions that will truly make a meaningful and lasting difference.
written by Sue Sliwinski..........This will never amount to anything buy money in 23 peoples pockets and a rape of the beautiful countryside...shame on you for being so greedy!!!

Sue, its not just the 23 leasees, but the town or towns involved that want that all mighty dollar above all cost. Everyone hids behind the "green" engery, our dependency on oil, co2 emmissions and yet these things will not change, with wind power anyways. Even as more and more information is coming out, no one is listening. Even our own government knows better but..money talks, b.s walks, which is exactly what the wind turbine companies and their leasees, are doing to so many towns and the people who live in them

[concerned]

no scientifically valid study has ever shown that the tens of thousands of wind turbines already operating in the U.S. have displaced any CO2 emissions. In fact, a 2007 report of the National Academy of Sciences concludes (assuming extremely and improbably optimistic conditons) that at best , by the year 2020, CO2 savings from wind energy would amount to only 1.8% - a trival quanity. They have not and will not result in the decommissioning of any existing power plant or negate the need to build new conventional fossil-fuel plants.

[Greedywindturbin ehosters]

another concerned person wrote:

<quoted text>Sue, its not just the 23 leasees, but the town or towns involved that want that all mighty dollar above all cost. Everyone hids behind the "green" engery, our dependency on oil, co2 emmissions and yet these things will not change, with wind power anyways. Even as more and more information is coming out, no one is listening. Even our own government knows better but..money talks, b.s walks, which is exactly what the wind turbine companies and their leasees, are doing to so many towns and the people who live in them

FYI.........That was not actually Sue writing on this forum, it was her letter taken from the Buffalo News online from last week. It just was so on the money I figured it was best to share it with the idiots who think it is such a good thing. The people of Machias want nothing more than the money that goes with this project. Including the "Town Board", afraid of making the setbacks to far or the noise to low that the Wind Farm companies will pack their bags and move on. It has nothing nothing nothing to do with GREEN. just the green money.

[dave miller]

windfarms are lame

[chad neal]

Greedywindturbinehosters wrote:

<quoted text>FYI.........That was not actually Sue writing on this forum, it was her letter taken from the Buffalo News online from last week. It just was so on the money I figured it was best to share it with the idiots who think it is such a good thing. The people of Machias want nothing more than the money that goes with this project. Including the "Town Board", afraid of making the setbacks to far or the noise to low that the Wind Farm companies will pack their bags and move on. It has nothing nothing nothing to do with GREEN. just the green money.

I see you know all and don't need money. And I like using fossil fuels too. Anything else we can do, another energy source or maybe make them quieter some how? You do have the answers right.

[Its not your land]

Last I heard a person has every right to do what they want on their own land. Who the hell are you all to dictate on how a person uses his land? If a farmer has 100 acres and wants to raise cattle, it's his right. If you have to smell cow shit, that's your problem. He's only trying to make a living for him and his family. You call it being money hungry and greed. I call it survival. The same goes for the windfarms. If you don't like what your neighbor puts on his land, then move. Or you also have the option of offering him more money than the companies for his land and have the security of never worrying about this predictament. Who the hell made you all god in deciding on who gets do what on their own land?! How would you like it if people tell you that you can't build that garage you need to store your cars in because it would be an eyesore that would disrupt their scenery? I could care less if windfarms come or not. I'm not for them nor opposed. I just feel that every landowner has his right.

[Greedywindturbin ehosters]

Its not your land wrote:

Last I heard a person has every right to do what they want on their own land. Who the hell are you all to dictate on how a person uses his land? If a farmer has 100 acres and wants to raise cattle, it's his right. If you have to smell cow shit, that's your problem. He's only trying to make a living for him and his family. You call it being money hungry and greed. I call it survival. The same goes for the windfarms. If you don't like what your neighbor puts on his land, then move. Or you also have the option of offering him more money than the companies for his land and have the security of never worrying about this predictament. Who the hell made you all god in deciding on who gets do what on their own land?! How would you like it if people tell you that you can't build that garage you need to store your cars in because it would be an eyesore that would disrupt their scenery? I could care less if windfarms come or not. I'm not for them nor opposed. I just feel that every landowner has his right.

Your right that every person has a right to do what they want on your land but I also shouldn't have to listen to them and have them keep me up at night. I have the right to live my life peacefully without the noise of these 24/7. It's not like the noise ever goes away. So with that, how about if I open up a go cart track with rock music and bright lights running 24/7 right next to where you live. If you don't like it just move. Jerk..........

[Greedywindturbin ehosters]

chad neal wrote:

<quoted text>
I see you know all and don't need money. And I like using fossil fuels too. Anything else we can do, another energy source or maybe make them quieter some how? You do have the answers right.

Mr. Nice Guy Chad, you need to do some more research on every aspect of these wind turbines before you go shooting your mouth off and insinuating that I am a no it all. If these were in fact the answer they would have been every where a long time ago. I truly understand the money issue of it. Who doesn't need money. I am talking at what cost. Do the research like I have been doing for 4 years now. Wind turbines are not going to free the world or change it. Find out where the money goes etc. Who owns them and how they are going about getting these projects up. It has nothing to do with green because we would need so many of them to even have them pay for themselves let a lone replace and be green. Just stop. I understand it is helping out farmers who are loosing out, I understand it is helping pay peoples taxes in tough times, but it is not what it is cracked up to be and should never be by peoples homes. What are you leaving behind for your kids to have to deal with down the road? I don't have the answers or I would be rich. Why the nastiness? Geeezzzz !!