a Right-to-lifersa embarrass Catholics

a Right-to-lifersa embarrass Catholics

There are 58 comments on the Berkshire Eagle story from May 21, 2010, titled a Right-to-lifersa embarrass Catholics. In it, Berkshire Eagle reports that:

When did the Catholic church decide it should oppose abortion? Was any rationale offered? I know the church insists human life begins at conception, thus a fetus is deemed a human being.

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Mynameismud

Ashfield, MA

#1 May 22, 2010
"I know the church insists human life begins at conception, thus a fetus is deemed a human being. That’s someone’s assumption."

Wow! Really?When your born in Japan you are guess what? One year old. That's no assumption. JFK had it all backwards. He should have said I support the separation of state from church. I'm confused but does the writer support abortions for those whom a child "may" be at risk. Who's calling the kettle black here, adolf. A very troubling point of view to say the least.
Herbert oBUMa

East Otis, MA

#2 May 22, 2010
Frank...Frank...Frank....the constitution says thet the federal government will not recognize any particular religion.It does not say that people with religious beliefs can not vote.You are a hatemonger and a liar or in other words a liberal. Calm down and ask your doctor to increase your medication. Just more proof of the leftist communist hate of religion just as in 1917 Russia.
Get it straight libs. Your day is coming in November.People are sick of the lies and sick of oBUMa.
Stan

Westfield, MA

#3 May 22, 2010
"thus a fetus is deemed a human being. Thats someones assumption"
Assumption, huh? It's impossible to prove the a fetus is not a human being.
nuts

AOL

#4 May 22, 2010
It can be shown that a fetus will squirm to avoid the pain of a needle. Also, if the fetus is not living, then what is it made of, rocks?
Jeffrey Reel

AOL

#5 May 22, 2010
Frank, you opened up about a dozen can of worms with your loosely written, and loosely reasoned, Letter. If you had good points to make, it's not appparent in your Letter, and it only serves to fan the flames of divisiveness.

Life does not begin at conception. It begins prior to conception.

What develops in the womb is human consciousness, and awareness, and that develops a lot sooner than any measurements can be made in "trimesters".

As research continues on consciousness in the womb, it always and only moves in the direction of discovering how much we underestimate embryonic consciousness. And as time goes on, we will develop ways to measure it, and verify it. This nonsense about determing when life begins is simply a distraction.

And I believe a woman has the right to choose.

And I believe that everyone -- regardless of their stand on this issue -- need to commit their hearts and minds to creating a peaceful and jjust and compassionate soociety where the option of abortion becomes less attractive over time. Until we do that, people like "Herbert" above, and others, contribute toward the making of a society that is both emotionally and physically violent (including poverty, discrimination, etc.), which promotes abortion as a viable allternative to living hell.

Example: people against abortion are almost always - but not exclusively - against gay rights. So how does this work? You insist that every child be brought to term, and then you make those who grow up gay and lesbian wish they had never been born.
Jeffrey Reel

AOL

#6 May 22, 2010
The two most emotionally explosive issues in a free society are:

Bringing life INTO this world, and LEAVING it.

That is: the issue over abortion rights, and the issue of dying (euthanasia).

That's because we have reached the point in our evolution where we are questioning, deeply, what exactly it means to be "alive"... and what lies beyond our life here on Earth (and what was before it, for that matter).

But you all lower it to this back-and-forth, stone-throwing, mob-mentality morality play, and it gets really, really ugly. It allows the bottom feeders to come out and feast.

And it is funny at times. Extreme conservatives emerge to insist on government intervention in the case of abortion -- going so far as to insist on Constitutional amendments prohibiting abortion -- while at the same time (see tea party platform for instance) insisting that government stay out of our lives altogether.

Hypocracy and lies.
Jeffrey Reel

AOL

#7 May 22, 2010
And, at the same time, more Liberal-minded people insist on a person's right to choose, but turning uncomfortably away from research over time that suggests consciousness develops early on in the womb. It's as if they feel they would be "giving ground" if they acknowledged cutting-edge discoveries.

Hypocracy and lies.
Dopers

Frisco, TX

#8 May 22, 2010
Wow jeff Im clapping my hands. (in my mind.) please go get a job in polatics you're wasting your talent here on the forum.
Mynameismud

Ashfield, MA

#9 May 22, 2010
Unfortunately liberals confuse embryos with caviar or chicken eggs. Breakfast anyone?
1Timothy3-15

San Antonio, TX

#10 May 22, 2010
Mr. McCarthy, abortion being a mortal sin is not an "assumption." If you call yourself a Catholic, you must believe that all the Church teaches on matters of faith and morals is true. You must believe it because the Holy Spirit (The Spirit of Truth) has guided the Church to the truth. If you believe the Church is not teaching the truth on this or any matter of faith or morals, I don't see how you can call yourself a Catholic. How can you present yourself for Communion, if you don't believe the Church is speaking the truth on all matters of faith and morals. The virtue of faith is described as to believe in God and all that He has revealed. To believe in the Church and ALL that it teaches on matters of faith and morals. If you don't believe the Church is the "pillar of truth (Timothy3:15), you must to have the virtue of faith. A large group of people who don't think the Church is infallible on matters of faith and morals calls themselves Protestants. It's quite sickening to hear a "Catholic" say that an unborn child is better of dead if it were to be raised in poverty or drugs. Since God created this person, God obviously has a plan for it which doesn't involve killing it in the womb. By the way Mr. McCarthy, "Thou shall not kill" is still a Commandment and not an assumption.
Mynameismud

Ashfield, MA

#12 May 22, 2010
Vance1 wrote:
<quoted text>Since there is no god there is no sin. You discredit your argument as soon as you bring the god myth into it.
Please, then tell me how we got here ol wise one. Is this just some illusion? Believe in nothing I guess.
Dopers

Bolton Landing, NY

#13 May 22, 2010
Mynameismud wrote:
<quoted text>Please, then tell me how we got here ol wise one. Is this just some illusion? Believe in nothing I guess.
it's simple we were brought here by a superior being.(GOD.) there was more than one. The bible contradicts itself when God says "I am the alpha and the omega" because he later says I'm creating man "in our image." he wasn't alone. But if it make you feel better to think that some being has a hand in EVERYTHING that happens (or doesn't.) that's your right. God also give another clue he says "I am not of this world." (look up the definition of alien.) this is all in Genesis.
hephaestus

Merrimack, NH

#14 May 22, 2010
Mynameismud wrote:
<quoted text>Please, then tell me how we got here ol wise one. Is this just some illusion? Believe in nothing I guess.
Yes.
Priestorpedophil e

San Mateo, CA

#15 May 22, 2010
I just wish the priest would stop touching little boys.
i wish

Warwick, MA

#16 May 22, 2010
Dopers wrote:
<quoted text>... this is all in Genesis.
Yep. Sure. Uh huh.

There was light before there was a sun. Truth. Nobody around to see it, much less write about it. Truth. Got it.

Faith ain't the same as truth. Don't mix the two up.

Tell me you believe- I'll respect that.

Tell me it's the "truth"- I'll tell you you're full of shite.

That's the truth.

I'm against abortion, personally- but it ain't my place to tell anyone else how to feel about it. Same with the rest of you. Another truth.
Mynameismud

Ashfield, MA

#18 May 22, 2010
Vance1 wrote:
<quoted text>How did god get here ol stupid one?
How did you get here?
Mynameismud

Ashfield, MA

#19 May 22, 2010
Dopers wrote:
<quoted text>
it's simple we were brought here by a superior being.(GOD.) there was more than one. The bible contradicts itself when God says "I am the alpha and the omega" because he later says I'm creating man "in our image." he wasn't alone. But if it make you feel better to think that some being has a hand in EVERYTHING that happens (or doesn't.) that's your right. God also give another clue he says "I am not of this world." (look up the definition of alien.) this is all in Genesis.
I'm not disageeing with you. It was a pun to the previous post. Settle down!
Mynameismud

Ashfield, MA

#21 May 22, 2010
Vance1 wrote:
<quoted text>You already know... and it was not god. Don't deny yourself the truth...
Well, I'm sure it was a man and a woman, so we are off to a good start. Is it reincarnation? Don't be shy now. Show me.
Dopers

Mechanicville, NY

#22 May 22, 2010
It's simple. Look at the rise of polition and how unhabitial we're making this planet. Mix that with our gain and innovation in science as well as space travel and boom (just as an example.) Oboma is your god or whatever. Think about it. If we found a planet and placed people there allowing them no other contact with any other people or this planet we could tell them what ever we want and control them. Religon is control. That's why I'm more spiritual. No one being has control over all that's crazy. So as I feel that it's your right to believe what you want I call BS as well. You bible humpers are brainwashed sheep who think you know something but you don't. For all we know your god is already dead. And the evil jews killed his only son.

Since: Apr 10

East Stroudsburg, PA

#24 May 23, 2010
Vance1 wrote:
<quoted text>The universe was always here. God was never here.
Vance1, sometimes I think along those lines also. After all, matter can neither be created nor destroyed, right?

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