W. Mass. priest calls for pope to resign

W. Mass. priest calls for pope to resign

There are 27 comments on the Berkshire Eagle story from Apr 12, 2010, titled W. Mass. priest calls for pope to resign. In it, Berkshire Eagle reports that:

A Roman Catholic priest from western Massachusetts who's been a longtime critic of the church's handling of the clergy abuse crisis has called on Pope Benedict XVI to step down.

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little old me

Venice, FL

#1 Apr 12, 2010
I think it's the only way for the Church to show that it understands the magnitude of this problem and that it's serious about dealing with it. Accountability starts at the top. The only "unfortunate" thing about Fr. Scahill's statement is that there aren't more priests and bishops clamoring for the same.
Father Flanagan

Greenfield, MA

#2 Apr 12, 2010
Catholics have to stop papal worship of JP II and Benedict..Both are responsible.

It is a fact, and it is a fact, now beyond dispute, that
Ratzinger has been the moving party since 1981 in retaining sex criminals
in their posts. His excuse? He didn't want scandal! Well, now
he's got scandal and pleanty of it because of his subornation of the vilest of
clergy. The buck stops with him and he is the Commander in Chief???

It is looking more and more as if Benedict-Ratzinger is the
21st century's Alexander VI, the "Bad" Pope, who at his death in 1503,
because of the thorough corruption of his papacy, trigged the Protestant
Revolution. With his corrupt doctrine and morals, Benedict-Ratzinger may
well be triggering, before our eyes, the final destruction of his Vatican II
Newchurch of the New Order. One can only hope that, as a result, the
Novus Ordo and "Motu" corruptions, together with the vile moral
corruptions of the clergy, will be swept away, and at least some breath of
traditional Catholicism might return. Find a Traditional Priest and Mass!!!!

www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com

Father Flanagan

Greenfield, MA

#3 Apr 12, 2010
"In the Third Secret [of Fatima] it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top."
--Mario L. Ciappi, Novus Ordo cardinal and household theologian to John Paul II; quoted in The Devil's Final Battle, p. 33

"The Church will be punished because the majority of her members, high and low, will become so perverted. The Church will sink deeper and deeper until she will at last seem to be extinguished, and the succession of Peter and the other Apostles to have expired. But, after this, she will be victoriously exalted in the sight of all doubters."
--St. Nicholas of Flue, in Catholic Prophecy, edited by Yves Dupont, p. 30
Father Flanagan

Greenfield, MA

#4 Apr 12, 2010
OUR LADY OF GOOD SUCCESS (Prophecies for Our Times) Prophetic revelations made to Venerable Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres in gthe 18th Century about our times.....Our Lady foretold, "the secular Clergy will leave much to be desired because priests will become careless in their sacred duties. Lacking the divine compass, they will stray from the road traced by God for the priestly ministry, and they will become attached to wealth and riches, which they will unduly strive to obtain. How the Church will suffer during this dark night! Lacking a Prelate and Father to guide them with paternal love, gentleness, strength, wisdom and prudence, many priests will lose their spirit, placing their souls in great danger. This will mark the arrival of My hour

http://www.catholic-sacredart.com/ologs.htm
Lucifer

Pittsfield, MA

#5 Apr 12, 2010
May the powers of hell rise up against the sins of the Catholic Church.
CER1940

Crossville, TN

#6 Apr 12, 2010
While being educated(brainwashed) in the Catholic school system I learned that they were ok with priests and bishops committing acts that they taught were sins for the church members. It took a while but I was able to shake off the indocrination. There is some lasting damage but it is not as great as it once was. With a lot of effort you can also shake off the heavy chains of Catholicism. It takes effort but the freedom is worth it.
CER1940
hrh

Miami, FL

#7 Apr 12, 2010
Father Scahill is one of a mere handful of clergy who are representative of the true church. The rest, out of fear and self-preservation, toe the party line: preservation of the institution above all; uppity laity can suck lemons.

We are pleased to read that he is still in the trenches. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had been ridden out of town on a crozier for his many past "unfortunate" remarks.

Give 'me hell, Father!
Concerned Tax Payer

AOL

#8 Apr 12, 2010
Lucifer wrote:
May the powers of hell rise up against the sins of the Catholic Church.
May you ROT in hell!!!
Concerned Tax Payer

AOL

#9 Apr 12, 2010
You go father Scahill Amen!!!
john

Ireland

#10 Apr 12, 2010
Further to the case of the former San Francisco priest Stephen Kiesle:-

Most important point: the Vatican was not being asked to deal with Fr Kiesle's sexual offences -- that had already been done by California courts and Kiesle's bishop. No, it was dealing with a request for dispensation from priestly celibacy. Here is what Phil Lawler says:

• Was Cardinal Ratzinger responding to the complaints of priestly pedophilia? No. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which the future Pontiff headed, did not have jurisdiction for pedophile priests until 2001. The cardinal was weighing a request for laicization of Kiesle.

• Had Oakland's Bishop John Cummins sought to laicize Kiesle as punishment for his misconduct? No. Kiesle himself asked to be released from the priesthood. The bishop supported the wayward priest's application.

• Was the request for laicization denied? No. Eventually, in 1987, the Vatican approved Kiesle's dismissal from the priesthood.

• Did Kiesle abuse children again before he was laicized? To the best of our knowledge, No. The next complaints against him arose in 2002: 15 years after he was dismissed from the priesthood.

• Did Cardinal Ratzinger's reluctance to make a quick decision mean that Kiesle remained in active ministry? No. Bishop Cummins had the authority to suspend the predator-priest, and in fact he had placed him on an extended leave of absence long before the application for laicization was entered.

• Would quicker laicization have protected children in California? No. Cardinal Ratzinger did not have the power to put Kiesle behind bars. If Kiesle had been defrocked in 1985 instead of 1987, he would have remained at large, thanks to a light sentence from the California courts. As things stood, he remained at large. He was not engaged in parish ministry and had no special access to children.

• Did the Vatican cover up evidence of Kiesle's predatory behavior? No. The civil courts of California destroyed that evidence after the priest completed a sentence of probation-- before the case ever reached Rome.

So to review: This was not a case in which a bishop wanted to discipline his priest and the Vatican official demurred. This was not a case in which a priest remained active in ministry, and the Vatican did nothing to protect the children under his pastoral care. This was not a case in which the Vatican covered up evidence of a priest's misconduct. This was a case in which a priest asked to be released from his vows, and the Vatican-- which had been flooded by such requests throughout the 1970s -- wanted to consider all such cases carefully. In short, if you're looking for evidence of a sex-abuse crisis in the Catholic Church, this case is irrelevant.

Since: Dec 07

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#11 Apr 12, 2010
hrh wrote:
Father Scahill is one of a mere handful of clergy who are representative of the true church. The rest, out of fear and self-preservation, toe the party line: preservation of the institution above all; uppity laity can suck lemons.
We are pleased to read that he is still in the trenches. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had been ridden out of town on a crozier for his many past "unfortunate" remarks.
Give 'me hell, Father!
This news is encouraging. Is there a remnant of reformers that have not been tainted by the excesses of the heirarchy? Now is the time for them to speak up. And not in defense of the pope.
Small Town Fun

Parker, CO

#12 Apr 12, 2010
It's all good, calls for the Pope to step down! except the reality of it all is that, that will never happen! and the church will carry on, like it or not, it will.
Guy Hawkes

East Otis, MA

#13 Apr 12, 2010
Why not simply allow priests to marry? How can they possibly give advice to couples without knowing anything about being in a relationship? Primitive and unnatural. BTW, all religions kill in one way or another, believe in yourselves.
Ariestu

Troy, NY

#14 Apr 12, 2010
God bless FR. Scahill and protect him from the evil factions of the Church which may try to keep him quiet or punish him for his activism.
According to something that I read, the apparition of The Virgin Mary at Mejugoria (sorry for the mis-spelling) warned the faithful to "beware of the priests". I know nothing more about it, has anyone else heard this?
Small Town Fun

Parker, CO

#15 Apr 12, 2010
"How can they possibly give advice to couples without knowing anything about being in a relationship?"

WELL DOH!!! they watch allot of TV!! that's how!!!
GreatGod

Springfield, MA

#16 Apr 12, 2010
It figures the Eagle would pick up on this story....and not other more newsworthy ones that really need attention!!!
GreatGod

Springfield, MA

#17 Apr 12, 2010
Its sad when u have to worry about people is positions of trust...preists and teachers
Bless Me Farter

Leesburg, FL

#18 Apr 12, 2010
Guy Hawkes wrote:
Why not simply allow priests to marry? How can they possibly give advice to couples without knowing anything about being in a relationship? Primitive and unnatural. BTW, all religions kill in one way or another, believe in yourselves.
Not that I personally give a good plop, but the idea of Priests getting married will not affect the number of pedophiles in their ranks. Many of these child abusers are married; even grandparents, firemen, police officers and so forth endlessly. WHY? What draws these sick souls to the abominable actions with children,even babies? Is it control? Childhood experiences where the person themselves has been abused?
WHY?
WHY? Is this sickness and criminal acts with minors spreading?
Why,also, are so many still following a "middle ages muddled mound of mess" (The Catholic Church)

A former altar boy reject
SMP TURLISH

Saint Paul, MN

#19 Apr 12, 2010
WHERE DOES THE BUCK STOP?

In a recent press release from the Holy See, "concerning cases of the sexual abuse of minors in ecclesiastical institutions," Director Fr. Federico Lombardi repeats some of the more clich้d responses and predictable excuses to the church's ever widening problems of sexual abuse, particularly the sexual abuse of minor children.

http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org/EN1/Art...

Contrary to what Lombardi says in the press release from the Vatican, the institutional Roman Catholic Church has reacted to the continuing sexual abuse debacle neither rapidly nor decisively and the Vatican continues to distance itself from what has happened in country after country, first categorizing it as an "American problem," then as a "homosexual problem" in the United States in 2002.

The church's response continues to be reactive rather than proactive while minimizing the systemic and endemic abuse of power and authority which enabled and exacerbated it on the one hand while covering it up whenever and wherever possible on the other.

The "wide-ranging context" that Lombardi speaks of is that in countries from the United States, Canada, Australia and Ireland to Austria, the Netherlands and Germany, church authorities have repeatedly and consistently disregarded the institution's own moral and Canon laws as well as the existing laws of the countries' in which these horrific crimes against humanity took place.
SMP TURLISH

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Apr 12, 2010
The church has lost its way.

If church authorities had done the morally right thing initially, one wonders how many children would have escaped being sexually abused by a particular priest?

As Patrick Wall, a former priest himself, states:

"The Roman Catholic Church has the largest body of knowledge of non-incarcerated sexual offenders in the world."

Who, one has to ask, would have more knowledge of the internal machinations utilized to cover-up and protect sexual predators from public scrutiny than Pope Benedict in his former position as Head of the Holy Office?

While attacks on any individual is regrettable and counter productive, the fact is that Pope Benedict XVI is at the helm of the Barque of Peter. His challenge is to see that current church policy agrees with his statements in something as significant as the recent pastoral letter to Ireland.

What was done by church leadership in the United States, for example, were actions they were forced to take by the pressure of public opinion after records, files and correspondence were forced into the public venue in 2002 by Judge Constance M. Sweeney, a very brave, grounded and principled Catholic woman of Boston, Massachusetts. As the facts show, the bishops of the United States at that time were forced to make the decisions they made even while powerful bishops resisted calls to accountability and transparency every step of the way.

Moreover, while Benedict has accepted two of the proffered resignations from the Irish bishops it is well to recall that not one bishop in the United States was removed from office because of his own complicity and collusion in covering up sexual abuse. Nor has anyone been forced to resign for violating then existing canon law, criminal law or civil law.

Bishops in the United States like Bernard Cardinal Law and his auxiliaries in Boston, who were shown to have been complicit in protecting known sexual predators, should have been removed from office, their resignations tendered instead of being rewarded with a plum position in Rome in the case of Law, or their own dioceses as has been the cases with complicit Boston auxiliary bishops.

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