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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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#30397 May 29, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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You seem to forget that many of the problems facing mankind were solved because they were brought to our attention and averted because of it. The Y2K threat was a real threat but was contained because many computer folks corrected the code or patched around the obsolete hardware. The threat was real. The problem was taken care of. Likewise we can point to many potential threats that were corrected from asbestos to radium. Problems are never corrected by denying they exist.
Um, you are claiming that the two "threats" you mention were avoided, when in fact, they were not. It was only when FACTS about the dangers of them were discovered where people were getting sick and dying, that those two were remedied. Therefore, your claim of potential threats using those two examples is simply WRONG.
IAmDigitap

Folsom, CA

#30398 May 29, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to forget that many of the problems facing mankind were solved because they were brought to our attention and averted because of it. The Y2K threat was a real threat but was contained because many computer folks corrected the code or patched around the obsolete hardware. The threat was real. The problem was taken care of. Likewise we can point to many potential threats that were corrected from asbestos to radium. Problems are never corrected by denying they exist.
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“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#30399 May 29, 2012
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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The statistical variance in a study of this kind is far greater than the difference recorded.
And the questions were of 'common knowledge' not 'science'.
I.e ask ten people if the sun comes up in the morning or evening and nine of them will probably say morning. The other will say 'yes'.
Science requires a much DEEPER understanding of facts than common knowledge.
So one more try at spin and misdirection by the denialist and their corporate backers.
If the study said that it proved that those who believed in man made global warming you would be yelling that those who disagree had to be wrong and that the study was proof that you were right.

You used the example that if you ask ten people if the sun came up in the morning or even that one out of ten would say evening. That one would be someone like you. Who would believe what they want and all the proof on earth would still not show them the error.

If one cannot understand the basics then how can one understand something far more complex. What you refer to as common knowledge was once the cutting edge.

Also your last paragraph is also a real clue as to how people like you think. This is for you a political/social cause. One that has been tried repeatedly with the same sorry results. Yet the rebels without a clue continue to claim this is all spin to hide the facts when what you proclaim is the real spin to hide the facts. That the earth has been warming for thousands of years naturally and you cannot prove that it is not doing what it had done for the last ten thousand years.

For which this study tells for you a truely chilling tale. That man made climate change has fallen out of favor with those who can think. That only the clueless and the hopelessly foolish still cling to it even though it is taking the same route as the Titanic.
Mothra

Peoria, AZ

#30400 May 29, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to forget that many of the problems facing mankind were solved because they were brought to our attention and averted because of it. The Y2K threat was a real threat but was contained because many computer folks corrected the code or patched around the obsolete hardware. The threat was real. The problem was taken care of. Likewise we can point to many potential threats that were corrected from asbestos to radium. Problems are never corrected by denying they exist.
Wow.

You embarrass yourself.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#30401 May 29, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to forget that many of the problems facing mankind were solved because they were brought to our attention and averted because of it. The Y2K threat was a real threat but was contained because many computer folks corrected the code or patched around the obsolete hardware. The threat was real. The problem was taken care of. Likewise we can point to many potential threats that were corrected from asbestos to radium. Problems are never corrected by denying they exist.
Your kidding. You think that if no one knew about Y2K that all the computers of the world would of be showing January 1, 1900. By the seventies there were very few computers that had that issue. By the eighties they could be only found in some third world back corner and by the mid ninties that even those were sitting somewhere gathering dust. Anything that booted off a hard drive had the date as a four digit number.

Y2K was nothing more than an alarmist being alarmed at something more intelligent people had seen coming and fixed so far in advance that it was never a problem. In this case the problem actually did not exist but the news media had fun patting themselves on the back for it. And before you start claiming I do not know about Y2K you should consider that I was repairing computers for the navy and had to go around and stick those stupid stickers and explain to people that they had nothing to worry about. And before you claim that there was a reason to be worry you should tell us which computer was going to crash. Certainly not those involved in air traffic control or running the infrastructure. Those had been long since replaced. The only computer I ran accross that only used two numbers for year was a IBM 360 and you can replace that with any PC.
Cletus

Carmel, ME

#30402 May 29, 2012
tina anne wrote:
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Your kidding. You think that if no one knew about Y2K that all the computers of the world would of be showing January 1, 1900. By the seventies there were very few computers that had that issue. By the eighties they could be only found in some third world back corner and by the mid ninties that even those were sitting somewhere gathering dust. Anything that booted off a hard drive had the date as a four digit number.
Y2K was nothing more than an alarmist being alarmed at something more intelligent people had seen coming and fixed so far in advance that it was never a problem. In this case the problem actually did not exist but the news media had fun patting themselves on the back for it. And before you start claiming I do not know about Y2K you should consider that I was repairing computers for the navy and had to go around and stick those stupid stickers and explain to people that they had nothing to worry about. And before you claim that there was a reason to be worry you should tell us which computer was going to crash. Certainly not those involved in air traffic control or running the infrastructure. Those had been long since replaced. The only computer I ran accross that only used two numbers for year was a IBM 360 and you can replace that with any PC.
Hell, my computer shows May the 46th., l781 right now. Who gives a rat's rear as long as I can get on it and flackulate with you guys. That's all I live for. I would commit Japanese habatchi if I couldn't get on Tapax. Hum?
Patriot AKA Bozo

Peck, KS

#30403 May 29, 2012
tina anne wrote:
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Your kidding. You think that if no one knew about Y2K that all the computers of the world would of be showing January 1, 1900. By the seventies there were very few computers that had that issue. By the eighties they could be only found in some third world back corner and by the mid ninties that even those were sitting somewhere gathering dust. Anything that booted off a hard drive had the date as a four digit number.
Y2K was nothing more than an alarmist being alarmed at something more intelligent people had seen coming and fixed so far in advance that it was never a problem. In this case the problem actually did not exist but the news media had fun patting themselves on the back for it. And before you start claiming I do not know about Y2K you should consider that I was repairing computers for the navy and had to go around and stick those stupid stickers and explain to people that they had nothing to worry about. And before you claim that there was a reason to be worry you should tell us which computer was going to crash. Certainly not those involved in air traffic control or running the infrastructure. Those had been long since replaced. The only computer I ran accross that only used two numbers for year was a IBM 360 and you can replace that with any PC.
I don't know who you work for, but if you are truly a computer programmer, I would let you go. I agree that many people overreacted, but the problem was real. There was a lot of code brought forward that had only provision for two digit year dates.

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#30404 May 30, 2012
Mothra wrote:
Wow.
You embarrass yourself.
He doesn't seem to care, maybe he's past caring, poor old chap.
Oh well, at least he's only embarrassing himself as a faceless wonder these days, hopefully.

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#30405 May 30, 2012
The planet has been going through climate changes through out history, I dont think humans are warming up the planet, well thats what I think anyway.
Teddy R

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#30406 May 30, 2012
tina anne wrote:
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And before you claim that there was a reason to be worry you should tell us which computer was going to crash. Certainly not those involved in air traffic control or running the infrastructure. Those had been long since replaced. The only computer I ran accross that only used two numbers for year was a IBM 360 and you can replace that with any PC.
Mostly true, but not entirely.

AMTRAK's Northeast Corridor supervisory train control system is still written in 8081 assembly language, for instance ...
Cletus

Carmel, ME

#30407 May 30, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
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Mostly true, but not entirely.
AMTRAK's Northeast Corridor supervisory train control system is still written in 8081 assembly language, for instance ...
Ohhhh! Ya gotta quit talkin that AMTRAK stuff. Like I said, my computer shows 1781 and you're talking 8081. That kinda frizzed my brain cells knowing I might have gone thru some kinda time warp, or somthin like that. Is that AMTRAK NE Corridor some kinda worm hole?
Patriot AKA Bozo

Peck, KS

#30408 May 30, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>He doesn't seem to care, maybe he's past caring, poor old chap.
Oh well, at least he's only embarrassing himself as a faceless wonder these days, hopefully.
Go change your Depends, pops. You really stink.
Mothra

Peoria, AZ

#30409 May 30, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>He doesn't seem to care, maybe he's past caring, poor old chap.
Oh well, at least he's only embarrassing himself as a faceless wonder these days, hopefully.
We shouldn't be surprised... he named himself after a clown.
kristy

Palm Bay, FL

#30410 May 30, 2012
The upcoming Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report will contain a chapter titled Human Security. According to an official outline, this will examine the following topics:

Social and economic activities, including employment
Education
Inequalities, gender, and marginalized populations
Culture, values, and society
Indigenous peoples
Local communities
Local and traditional knowledge
Migration and population displacement
Conflict
Community resilience

We’re told that the IPCC is a scientific organization and that its job is to “provide rigorous and balanced scientific information to decision makers.” But what can science possibly tell us about Culture, values and society? Or about Local communities? Why is the IPCC going anywhere near subjects such as these?

http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/05/29/the...

This is just the IPCC advancing their social and environmental justice agendas. This has nothing to do with climate change. If they truly cared about inequality, they would encourage these marginalized populations to enter the 21st century with energy that works instead of sending them cooking pots. But no, the UN and environmental agendas will keep these people marginalized as long these groups continue to fight every type of dependable energy these people are trying to obtain.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#30411 May 30, 2012
kristy wrote:
The upcoming Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report will contain a chapter titled Human Security... If they truly cared about inequality, they would encourage these marginalized populations to enter the 21st century with energy that works instead of sending them cooking pots. But no, the UN and environmental agendas will keep these people marginalized as long these groups continue to fight every type of dependable energy these people are trying to obtain.
Right. Not in your ways of doing things.

Fortunately.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#30412 May 30, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
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Mostly true, but not entirely.
AMTRAK's Northeast Corridor supervisory train control system is still written in 8081 assembly language, for instance ...
They still make and sell the 8081 for many industrial application just as they do with the Zilog Z-80. They stamp computers using the 8081 processor. Someone even claimed to have built a supercomputer out of Stamp computers. The advantage is that these systems are able to operate at low power like batteries recharged from solar panels. They can communicate with each other and other computers, are easily programmed and often have analog to digital conversion circuits and or motor controller and relays built in. I used one to track the amount of solar energy a panel actually produced vs the amount of actual light. The one I used was programmed in basic but they also have assembler based units.
http://hackaday.com/2008/11/24/a-basic-stamp-...
Patriot AKA Bozo

Peck, KS

#30413 May 30, 2012
tina anne wrote:
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They still make and sell the 8081 for many industrial application just as they do with the Zilog Z-80. They stamp computers using the 8081 processor. Someone even claimed to have built a supercomputer out of Stamp computers. The advantage is that these systems are able to operate at low power like batteries recharged from solar panels. They can communicate with each other and other computers, are easily programmed and often have analog to digital conversion circuits and or motor controller and relays built in. I used one to track the amount of solar energy a panel actually produced vs the amount of actual light. The one I used was programmed in basic but they also have assembler based units.
http://hackaday.com/2008/11/24/a-basic-stamp-...
Don't forget the MOS 6502 processors that are used even today for many medical devices and other controllers.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#30414 May 30, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Don't forget the MOS 6502 processors that are used even today for many medical devices and other controllers.
Yes, and so are the 80286/386/486. I know the navy use to use the 80486 on the programming module and the 6502 in the command and control module.
LessHypeMoreFact

Concord, Canada

#30415 May 30, 2012
tina anne wrote:
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Yes, and so are the 80286/386/486. I know the navy use to use the 80486 on the programming module and the 6502 in the command and control module.
Regardless, the Y2K bug was in the legacy software NOT in the processor. Two char fields. And a lot of the code no longer had source to modify.

Y2K was a real problem. And the fact that we 'fixed' it before it struck and it was not a 'trillion dollar fiasco' as the doomsayers claimed shows that we CAN do 'preventative changes' for other problems such as AGW for a lot less than the hysterical 'back to the caves' rhetoric would suggest.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#30416 May 30, 2012
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Regardless, the Y2K bug was in the legacy software NOT in the processor. Two char fields. And a lot of the code no longer had source to modify.
Y2K was a real problem. And the fact that we 'fixed' it before it struck and it was not a 'trillion dollar fiasco' as the doomsayers claimed shows that we CAN do 'preventative changes' for other problems such as AGW for a lot less than the hysterical 'back to the caves' rhetoric would suggest.
And the legacy software was sitting in a drawer gathering dust and was not installed. Also have you ever heard of a decompiler.

Y2K was not a real problem. It was something hyped in the media, a fake problem that involved fake fixes. If nothing had been done then life would of continued on and no one would of noticed anything different. Even the operating systems involved had been upgraded to handle that problem.

Likewise AGW is a fake problem that people like you want to fix. Something that turns out to be natural which means your fixes will not fix anything. In that way it would be worth it just to see people like you scraching your head like a flea ridden monkey trying to figure out why it isn't working before you make the claim that we need even greater change.

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