Court upholds DWI conviction for man in parked car

There are 13 comments on the Mar 24, 2009, TwinCities.com story titled Court upholds DWI conviction for man in parked car. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

The Minnesota Court of Appeals upheld the drunken driving conviction of a Polk County man who was arrested while behind the wheel of a parked car.

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Archie

AOL

#42 Mar 26, 2009
Maedman:

Thank you for making my point, You have been correctly conditioned and do not recognise freedom as we once knew it.
Are you saying the Joseph Mcarthy was wrong? I say he is and will be in the history books ( If America stays free) as the most prophetic American of the 20th century, The revised history that you may have learned from progressive revisionists is NOT the same history taught to American students for the last 180 years.
I know you have been fed a style of history with great vigor at demeaning and degrading American heros Like washington, Jefferson, B Franklin and replacing them with new and great Americans like Susan B.Anthony Etc. You can not help yourself Madman, you have been victimised and don't realise what has been taken from you and your children, This government "Bigness" is normal to you because you have become a dependentant. Sorry, but that is the name of that tune.

“Sustainability Now!”

Since: May 08

Vadnais Heights

#43 Mar 26, 2009
Archie wrote:
Maedman:
Thank you for making my point, You have been correctly conditioned and do not recognise freedom as we once knew it.
Are you saying the Joseph Mcarthy was wrong? I say he is and will be in the history books ( If America stays free) as the most prophetic American of the 20th century, The revised history that you may have learned from progressive revisionists is NOT the same history taught to American students for the last 180 years.
I know you have been fed a style of history with great vigor at demeaning and degrading American heros Like washington, Jefferson, B Franklin and replacing them with new and great Americans like Susan B.Anthony Etc. You can not help yourself Madman, you have been victimised and don't realise what has been taken from you and your children, This government "Bigness" is normal to you because you have become a dependentant. Sorry, but that is the name of that tune.
Oh, pleez! My schooling antedates the revisionists you decry. Unlike you, I do not think it is demeaning and degrading of our great historical figures (and those of other nations) to acknowledge their humanity, that they were human and had foibles -- yet still produced the feats which won them their renown. Anyone who has read Jefferson is left not caring that he owned slaves -- his intellect is breathtaking.

I am in favor of an American History that is Responsible, that does not gloss over inconvenient truths that flag-waving loyalists would just as soon neglect. During those idyllic times that you romanticize with families at play in parks -- there were "separate but equal" lunch counters and toilets, the N-word was unremarkable, Chinese people were coolies or laundrypeople, and a woman's place was in the home -- barefoot and pregnant with NO FUTURE regardless of how brilliant. Life was all roses if you were a WASP. If not, well, too bad!

I am declaring Joseph McCarthy DEAD WRONG! He was a paranoid product of the Cold War, who preyed on fear and innuendo -- carelessly ruining innocent people's careers in the process of feeding his own vanity. You are free to keep lighting candles on your altar to him, but that only shows how wildly and fantastically misguided an otherwise normal guy can get. You have had some good insights and points made when discussing the DNR, but once outside of your area of expertise you seem to descend into chaos and delusion.

Stick to attempting to bring the rule of law to the Minnesota DNR -- that is a cause worth fighting for!
Hello

United States

#44 Mar 27, 2009
Delusional wrote:
This isn't a new thing Archie and therefore to blame it on the current administration is ridiculous and it glaringly shows your lack of understanding of our government.
There are many things that the current administration has done that I do not agree with but this particular case has absolutely nothing to do with them. People have been getting tickets for sleeping in their car drunk for decades. A good friend of mine got one in 2001 during a Republican administration.
<quoted text>
Brownshirt lover
Hello

United States

#45 Mar 27, 2009
Madaman wrote:
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Oh, pleez! My schooling antedates the revisionists you decry. Unlike you, I do not think it is demeaning and degrading of our great historical figures (and those of other nations) to acknowledge their humanity, that they were human and had foibles -- yet still produced the feats which won them their renown. Anyone who has read Jefferson is left not caring that he owned slaves -- his intellect is breathtaking.
I am in favor of an American History that is Responsible, that does not gloss over inconvenient truths that flag-waving loyalists would just as soon neglect. During those idyllic times that you romanticize with families at play in parks -- there were "separate but equal" lunch counters and toilets, the N-word was unremarkable, Chinese people were coolies or laundrypeople, and a woman's place was in the home -- barefoot and pregnant with NO FUTURE regardless of how brilliant. Life was all roses if you were a WASP. If not, well, too bad!
I am declaring Joseph McCarthy DEAD WRONG! He was a paranoid product of the Cold War, who preyed on fear and innuendo -- carelessly ruining innocent people's careers in the process of feeding his own vanity. You are free to keep lighting candles on your altar to him, but that only shows how wildly and fantastically misguided an otherwise normal guy can get. You have had some good insights and points made when discussing the DNR, but once outside of your area of expertise you seem to descend into chaos and delusion.
Stick to attempting to bring the rule of law to the Minnesota DNR -- that is a cause worth fighting for!
You sir are dead wrong.
Delusional

Plymouth, MN

#46 Mar 27, 2009
Your responses are amazing and enlightening(SARCASM)
Hello wrote:
<quoted text>Brownshirt lover

“Sustainability Now!”

Since: May 08

Vadnais Heights

#47 Mar 27, 2009
Delusional wrote:
Your responses are amazing and enlightening(SARCASM)<quote d text>
I second that emotion -- to both his responses.
Archie

AOL

#48 Mar 28, 2009
Madaman:

Do you see a simmilarity between our country and our own families?

I happen to see no difference when it comes to loyality, When the "free speech" crowd continually hang dirty laundry out with out considering the consequences of degredation and continue to do it with "obsession" Both the country and a family would suffer equally.
Some "Free speech" is now days only regurgated gossip and serves only to injure. Our country
Deserves more from the positive column than the steady rumble ov overweight uh happy, untested and spoiled people that were handed freedom and gold by previous citizens that gave all for todaies groups that have grown tired of freedom. A self loathing attitude and self guilt for the gift that no one else in the world has. I wonder how the millions of "privates" buried under the white grave markers around the world would see our country today?
PJH

South Saint Paul, MN

#49 Mar 28, 2009
I can understand concerns when it appears the law may arrest someone who might have had good intentions. Lets consider what could happen though if we changed the law.
Say the police find a man sitting in his car at a bar,obviously drunk, with his keys in his hand and they know he has previous DUI's but now they have no legal right to arrest him. The police leave and 20 minutes later the man starts his car and tries to drive home. Unfortunately, he crosses the center line on the highway,hits a car with 4 people in it, and kills them all.
In order to protect a few people who are drunk in their car but have good intentions are we really willing to accept this scenario happening more often? Would you send your loved one down the road that this drunk person may decide to drive down?
This is not about taking away rights, it is about protecting the public's right to be safe on the road.

“Sustainability Now!”

Since: May 08

Vadnais Heights

#50 Mar 28, 2009
Archie wrote:
Madaman:
Do you see a simmilarity between our country and our own families?
I happen to see no difference when it comes to loyality, When the "free speech" crowd continually hang dirty laundry out with out considering the consequences of degredation and continue to do it with "obsession" Both the country and a family would suffer equally.
Some "Free speech" is now days only regurgated gossip and serves only to injure. Our country
Deserves more from the positive column than the steady rumble ov overweight uh happy, untested and spoiled people that were handed freedom and gold by previous citizens that gave all for todaies groups that have grown tired of freedom. A self loathing attitude and self guilt for the gift that no one else in the world has. I wonder how the millions of "privates" buried under the white grave markers around the world would see our country today?
Just because there is Freedom of Speech grants no guarantee as to the Quality nor Accuracy of that speech. I am free to express my opinions here, and you are equally free to assess them and find them totally lacking. You are right, some Free Speech is only regurgitated gossip and falsehoods (e.g., Rush Limbaugh)-- but there is a fundamental right to speak it and for you to hear it. What you do with it is your business.

I am glad that you mentioned Family. That is the best place to avoid placing blind loyalty in others, and be present to actual reality when contemplating each other. Who do you think is suing school districts madly? Blindly loyal parents who will NOT accept that maybe, just maybe, their little Archie is NOT Perfect. Maybe he really did do what all those witnesses say he did. Maybe he needs a stern conversation and appropriate punishment, instead of endless rationalizations and a court case!

Loyalists never learn from mistakes, because they refuse to believe any were made by "their side." American foreign policy is riddled with serious and costly mistakes -- yet those who acknowledge those mistakes and attempt to learn from them are accused of "Blaming America First" by the blind Loyalists. When we place the Blame "over there," we essentially declare that we are victims in the matter, because all the real power is also "over there." There is nothing we can do. We are helpless!

It would behoove us to be ruthlessly candid to our faults and errors -- as families AND as a Country.

Does this answer your question?
Archie

AOL

#51 Mar 28, 2009
Free speech includes a bill of rights for the Editor, the newsmaker, and the reader.

To knowingly put gossip in an editorial is un ethical, for an editor to censor by exclusion is also un ethical, Because we can "spray and pray" with words that are un founded, untrue,defaming, insulting,abusive,rhetorical, politically motivated then edited only by the conscience or absense of a conscience in a talking head seems to belittle journalism, the writers and the readers of the "gossip". Integrity and accuracy are no longer needed in conversations between us.
Pure brutal and basic honesty will gather accolades of inherently descriptive adjectives,
There is one for race, one for poltiical position and one for every politically correct version of any topic discussed today.

Lying is called spinning, also embellishment of the truth and is fully supported by major media. We are on our own friends and free to speak.
Han

Chengdu, China

#52 Apr 10, 2009
Sounds like the person did well.

The person realized the condition of his body and decided to just let the alcohol effects wear off until able to drive legally again. This should have been central to the courts decision.
Sarah D

Saint Paul, MN

#53 Apr 10, 2009
Delusional wrote:
Once again this isn't some kind of landmark case. This has been the law for some time. for all of you bitching aobut his and making ridiculous examples there is a major difference. He was in his car, with his keys, and he had open bottles in the car. I knew about this law when I was in college which is why we never crashed in our cars after partying.
I understand that many of you just want to complain aobut how life isn't fair I just find it humorous that this is some kind of big deal and new thing to many of you.
Well it's new to me. And it disturbs me because it seems to ENCOURAGE people to drive drunk. What have they got to lose? If they try to sleep it off in their car they'll get busted so they might as well try to drive home.

I'm not saying that would be a smart thing to do it's just that this law makes it less risky for them to drive home drunk than to stay off the road and sleep it off in your car.
Delusional

Plymouth, MN

#54 Apr 13, 2009
The smart and responsilbe thing to do would be to have a plan before you go out and get drunk. No one is forcing you to get drunk so you are the only one responsible for your actions. If you don't have any way to get home that night then you should limit your alcohol intake.
It doesn't encourage people to drive drunk because you dind't need to get drunk in the first place.
Sarah D wrote:
<quoted text>
Well it's new to me. And it disturbs me because it seems to ENCOURAGE people to drive drunk. What have they got to lose? If they try to sleep it off in their car they'll get busted so they might as well try to drive home.
I'm not saying that would be a smart thing to do it's just that this law makes it less risky for them to drive home drunk than to stay off the road and sleep it off in your car.

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