Romney Versus Students
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Since: Sep 09

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#1 Oct 11, 2012
I noticed something Romney said in his Presidential debate. It was him once again saying something 'only' to get votes. Something totally counter to his real stands that he is pushing for. Romney said this in the Presidential Debate pertaining to education .....

"I don’t have any plan to cut education funding and grants that go to people going to college. I’m planning on continuing to grow, so I’m not planning on making changes there.”

But yet previously this year he said he would either shrink the Department of Education or consolidate it with another agency.

He said he would eliminate the American Opportunity tax credit for college students.

“Pass the House Republican Budget proposal, rolling back President Obama’s government expansion by capping non-security discretionary spending below 2008 levels.”
-- Romney (Education is considered non-security discretionary spending. Rolling back non-security discretionary spending to the level of five years earlier would require significant cuts in education.)

“Unfortunately, like a man with a hammer that sees every problem as a nail, President Obama’s policy response to every education challenge has been more federal spending. Increased spending on our K-12 public schools has failed to produce results, and increased spending is already one of higher education’s greatest problems."
-- Romney

“... as a result of the expanding entitlement mentality, the Pell Grant program — the foundation of the federal investment in student financial aid — is on unsure financial footing… A Romney Administration will refocus Pell Grant dollars on the students that need them most and place the program on a responsible long-term path that avoids future funding cliffs and last-minute funding patches.”
-- Mitt Romney

In the last quote, which students does he intend to cut from the Pell Grant program? Most Pell grants go to students with a family income of $30,000 or less, which isn't much. These are people for whom climbing up the ladder to higher income success is a struggle. The maximum annual grant amount of $5,550 isn't much either. Who is Romney going to cut?

Did you also notice his reference to 'the expanding entitlement mentality' in his above statement. That is once again his 47 percent freeloading deadbeats, him including students and their parents in it.

Since: Sep 09

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#2 Oct 11, 2012
Remember Romney mocking President Obama for wanting to hire more teachers?

While Romney was Governor of Massachusetts fees and tuition jumped 63 percent from 2003 to 2007 as Romney slashed state funding. The average student debt in Massachusetts jumped 25 percent while he was governor.

"They (students) get as much education as they can afford and with their time they’re able to get and if they have a willingness to work hard and the right values, they ought to be able to provide for their family and have a shot of realizing their dreams.”
-- Mitt Romney (June 27, 2012)

As much education as they can 'afford'? What the heck does 'afford' mean? Does the above quote mean low-income, poor kids, and middle-class children of parents who have a lot of bills do not get a chance at college? That college is only for people with a lot of money?

According to Romney, if you want an education you can always join the military. He actually said this as part of a statement on higher education. And this statement is from someone that grew up rich, lived in a house rather than a dorm or shared apartment, and did not have to work because he was living off of stock returns while in school.

Why should poor, low-income, and middle-class kids be in the same college classrooms with the kids of rich parents, right, Mitt? No one wants their college age children associating with or even seeing members of the lowly 47 percent of America's citizens, right? I will explain this paragraph more clearly in my next post.

Students at voting age, parents of students, relatives of students ..... vote Democrat.

Teachers ..... vote Democrat. Give your students a chance at receiving a higher education and breaking the chain which has held so many families back in rural areas and states.

Since: Sep 09

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#3 Oct 11, 2012
Watch this video. Turn your speakers on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/therootdc/unive...

This is a Supreme Court case going on right now. I bring it up because Romney, when he was Governor of Massachusetts, against the wishes of the state's colleges and universities trashed affirmative action in higher education. This reduced the chances of lower income young people to be able to attend college and break the chain that holds many young people back.
HelpMe Gov

London, KY

#4 Oct 11, 2012
Bullchit and pipe dreams.

obammy lowers rate on student loans. Great? No.

Bush did away with the "death tax" on inheritance. I inherited very close to the same amount it took to educate my three kids. That is a real leaving my money in my hands for the most good. How many crack ho breeders could have been kept in the gene pool with the money I used for the kids college? That money entered back into the economy promoting business and hiring. Not crack ho's.

So obammy is throwing you a bone with his right hand while taking your parents past and your future back to 52% tax of estates with his left.

Watch the shiny object..........

Since: Sep 09

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#5 Oct 11, 2012
HelpMe Gov wrote:
Bullchit and pipe dreams.
obammy lowers rate on student loans. Great? No.
Bush did away with the "death tax" on inheritance. I inherited very close to the same amount it took to educate my three kids. That is a real leaving my money in my hands for the most good. How many crack ho breeders could have been kept in the gene pool with the money I used for the kids college? That money entered back into the economy promoting business and hiring. Not crack ho's.
So obammy is throwing you a bone with his right hand while taking your parents past and your future back to 52% tax of estates with his left.
Watch the shiny object..........
You guys cannot answer any points about Romney, can you?

Try again without the empty rhetoric.

So you are saying the kids of parents who don't have the large sum of money it takes to send their son or daughter to college are .....'crack ho breeders'? You sound like Romney talking about his 47 percent (which he has mentioned in three different statements within one year).
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#6 Oct 11, 2012
___Jenny___ wrote:
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You guys cannot answer any points about Romney, can you?
Try again without the empty rhetoric.
So you are saying the kids of parents who don't have the large sum of money it takes to send their son or daughter to college are .....'crack ho breeders'? You sound like Romney talking about his 47 percent (which he has mentioned in three different statements within one year).
Biden got that 47% issue across tonight quite well. He also got the point across well when Ryan complained about the Stimulus and Biden looked him right in the eyed and said "I have two letters from you asking for stimulus money". Ryan appeared quite "hands in the cookie jar" and admitted he had taken stimulus dollars from the Obama administration....because, huh, he needed it...probably no different than others that receive it unless we want to discuss "selective need".

Let's talk about education shall we? Yes indeed Romney will cut education and let me inform you of where he'll at least do part of that on a tax return. Let me explain first what Obama did.

We had the Hope Credit (1st 2 yrs. of post secondary education), and, the Lifetime Learning Credit (> 2 yrs. and forward). Either credit, which the Hope was the larger of, could only be used against the taxpayer's tax liability. Any excess of the credit was thrown out.

Enter Obama. Obama established the American Oppportunity Credit, which took the Hope Credit above and expanded it to (4) yrs. vs (2) Yrs. The better part of the new credit however is, what of it you don't use against your tax liability, you get in the form of a refund of. Romney wants to destroy that. This within itself, depending on how many of your kids fit the category, could cost the middle class taxpayer an average of $2,000.00 in a refundable credit.

What else did Obama do to get money into the marketplace? He expanded the EITC from 2 kids qualifying to 3, which means your refundable EITC enlarged. Romney wants to take that back.
Carney

Pineville, KY

#7 Oct 12, 2012
Poor ol' jig? Biden, want-ta-be a

Since: Jan 09

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#8 Oct 23, 2012
In the last debate (last night) Romney gave a misleading statement. He said he started the John and Abigail Adams scholarship program. This is right, he did. It's where high-school students in the top quarter received a four-year, tuition-free scholarship to college in Massachusetts.

This at first glance and without checking it out sounds good. But the program did not cover fees, which is over eighty percent of the cost of going to college in Massachusetts. Here's the part Romney did not tell. Those fees shot sky high in Massachusetts.

The situation it created was this ..... the scholarship program got the top one-quarter of students (which choose to go to college) into them. But it placed Massachusetts colleges as too expense for the remaining three-quarters of young people unless they came from parents with money to cover the costs (the higher fees and without the Adams scholarship).

It's easy for a state to have top ranking for students achieving high grades if you have forced out all but the top students in a state.

It narrows down to what Romney himself said when he stated students should get as much education as they can afford. Catch the 'as they can afford'?

Romney's plan shut far too many ordinary students without richer parents out of higher education.


Since: Jan 09

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#9 Oct 23, 2012
Also read my first two posts on here for other issues pertaining to Romney and colleges.

As a side note. If Romney is going to cut the deficit like he claims, there is no way possible for the money to be directed to a program such as the John and Abigail Adams scholarship on a nation-wide level. Romney also has been too anti-education in his past speeches over the last year. I think he is once again spewing hot-air and 'will not' carry out any expensive program like this.

Btw, to back what I said in my last post ..... Massachusetts fees and tuition jumped 63 percent when he was Governor.

Students and parents of students ..... vote against Romney. Vote Democrat.
HelpMe Gov

Somerset, KY

#10 Oct 23, 2012
Oh my! Tuition went up in Mass? Excuse me you moron. It doubled most everywhere at the same time.

obammy has the Death Tax reinstated. 52% of 'your" inheritance may not send your kids to college. In my case it did.

If my last parent had died a couple years later (under obammy Death Tax) it would have cost me almost to the penny what it has taken to send three kids to college.

Tell these good folks how a percent or two on a college loan equals 52% of money already taxed inherited from your parents' estate?

Should I hold my breath?

Is there a 52% Death Tax under obammy?

Was the Death Tax removed under Bush?

Two direct questions that has direct bearing on who actually does more for the young college student.

Romney wins hands down.
FoxyRoxy

Somerset, KY

#11 Oct 23, 2012
500 Million to Solyndra. How many college educations would that money have paid for if left with the families? Instead taxpayers' money down the solar tubes.

How many from the battery company money? ETC.

The 39 Billion General Motors still owes taxpayers would educate quite a few, eh?
a reader

Vilonia, AR

#12 Oct 23, 2012
FoxyRoxy wrote:
500 Million to Solyndra. How many college educations would that money have paid for if left with the families? Instead taxpayers' money down the solar tubes.
How many from the battery company money? ETC.
The 39 Billion General Motors still owes taxpayers would educate quite a few, eh?
How many US jobs did Romney outsource to other countries to get his $250,000,000, eh?

Since: Sep 09

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#13 Nov 5, 2012
Please watch this. It's only one minute long.

Notice in the short part showing Romney speaking he mentions teachers in a clear manner than reveals his plans will cut teaching jobs and education.

Also what Temo Fuentes has to say is very important.

Turn your speakers on.

&fe ature=player_embedded
wow

Corbin, KY

#14 Nov 5, 2012
Geez you've got a lot of time on your hands

Since: Jan 09

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#15 Nov 5, 2012
Bumpity bump.
and more

Cincinnati, OH

#16 Nov 5, 2012
SALT LAKE CITY — Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is coming under fire from the Democrats after some financial advice he gave to some students.

Personal responsibility has long been the backbone of many conservative principles, so when Romney told students to borrow from their parents rather than Uncle Sam, it doesn't come as much of a surprise.

"Take a shot, go for it, take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business," Romney told college students in Ohio. The statement is in context of a story where a friend of his borrowed $20,000 from his parents

Since: Sep 09

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#17 Nov 5, 2012
Bumping this back to the top.

Since: Sep 09

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#18 Nov 5, 2012
Again to the top. Tomorrow is the election.

Since: Sep 10

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#19 Nov 5, 2012
___Jenny___ wrote:
Remember Romney mocking President Obama for wanting to hire more teachers?
While Romney was Governor of Massachusetts fees and tuition jumped 63 percent from 2003 to 2007 as Romney slashed state funding. The average student debt in Massachusetts jumped 25 percent while he was governor.
"They (students) get as much education as they can afford and with their time they’re able to get and if they have a willingness to work hard and the right values, they ought to be able to provide for their family and have a shot of realizing their dreams.”
-- Mitt Romney (June 27, 2012)
As much education as they can 'afford'? What the heck does 'afford' mean? Does the above quote mean low-income, poor kids, and middle-class children of parents who have a lot of bills do not get a chance at college? That college is only for people with a lot of money?
According to Romney, if you want an education you can always join the military. He actually said this as part of a statement on higher education. And this statement is from someone that grew up rich, lived in a house rather than a dorm or shared apartment, and did not have to work because he was living off of stock returns while in school.
Why should poor, low-income, and middle-class kids be in the same college classrooms with the kids of rich parents, right, Mitt? No one wants their college age children associating with or even seeing members of the lowly 47 percent of America's citizens, right? I will explain this paragraph more clearly in my next post.
Students at voting age, parents of students, relatives of students ..... vote Democrat.
Teachers ..... vote Democrat. Give your students a chance at receiving a higher education and breaking the chain which has held so many families back in rural areas and states.
$16 Trillion dollars of debt should cause any president to think about how he could keep borrowing money to loan out to others and never make a payment on his debt. Obama never thought about and we've had 2 downgrades to our credit score. Mitt knows that you can't go on forever using other peoples money with no attempt to pay any of it back. That's why we need an adult in the White House.

Since: Sep 10

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#20 Nov 5, 2012
I'm so sick of everyone looking to taxpayers to provide everything they need from the womb to the tomb.

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