Fire co. assures hydrants pose no danger

Fire co. assures hydrants pose no danger

There are 33 comments on the Evening Sun story from Jan 27, 2011, titled Fire co. assures hydrants pose no danger. In it, Evening Sun reports that:

A handful of East Berlin residents expressed concern for the safety of their homes, possible insurance-rate increases, and petty borough politics during a public meeting on the condition of fire hydrants in the borough Monday night.

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SJR

Hanover, PA

#21 Jan 30, 2011
Baffled by BS wrote:
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Unless the creek that surrrounds East Berlin goes dry, the dry hydrants are a good water supply. And your not just getting tankers on a fire call, your also getting other fire trucks with water. Also as it was pointed out, the hydrants are gravity fed, which can be unreliable. Have some faith in you fire co.'s, they train and plan for the worse, be thankful and support those who are there when you need them
You were starting to impress with me some knowledge up until this commment.

Gravity fed hydrants? Really, the water is coming down out of the sky?

Have faith in my fire department? Seriously, your preaching to the choir sir/madam...I have faith, its the leaders I have no faith in any longer, along with the uneducated towns people on how the volunteer system works.
Baffled by BS

York, PA

#22 Jan 31, 2011
10 wheels wrote:
I wouldn't put much faith in what Mr Morehead says. His credability on a scale of 1 to 10.would be minus 1.
Though Mr. Morehead could have said what he did at a lower tone, everything he said was truthful. The fire dept. is there to help you when you need them, and will do whatever it takes to help you. He may not be right about alot, I don't know him that well, but he seemed to believe in his organization and I back him and his dept. 100%
10 wheels

Worcester, MA

#23 Jan 31, 2011
Apparently you don't know Morehead very well.
Baffled by BS

York, PA

#24 Feb 1, 2011
I may not, but his message was good.
Say What

Reading, PA

#25 Feb 1, 2011
SJR wrote:
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You were starting to impress with me some knowledge up until this commment.
Gravity fed hydrants? Really, the water is coming down out of the sky?.......
Yes, a very large number of municipal systems in this region are just that, gravity fed from either dams or water towers!
SJR

Hanover, PA

#26 Feb 1, 2011
Very interesting Say What....I didnt know we had any dams large enough locally to supply hydrant systems, or even towers supplying hydrants.
I could very well be incorrect, but this is very interesting news to me. Could you elaborate and share which dams and towers feed which hydrant systems locally? I am always up for learning new things
Fire Marshal Bill

Gettysburg, PA

#27 Feb 1, 2011
SJR wrote:
Very interesting Say What....I didnt know we had any dams large enough locally to supply hydrant systems, or even towers supplying hydrants.
I could very well be incorrect, but this is very interesting news to me. Could you elaborate and share which dams and towers feed which hydrant systems locally? I am always up for learning new things
I believe both Gettysburg and Littlestown use towers and as I recall New Oxford also but not sure. But I am sure a little drive around and you can identify a few more communities. Water is pumped into them from water wells, and this water then feeds the water system for both domestic water and fire protection water.

The pumps that fill the towers or some call them standpipes, are not large capacity but usually fill the towers during low demand periods. When there is a high demand and the pumps can't necessarily keep up the water in the towers supplements so that the demand can always be maintained.

The pressure in the system is dependent on the height of the tower, and of course how full the tower is.(.434 PSI on the system for each foot of height above that location to the top of the water)

Since: Jan 09

Hanover

#28 Feb 1, 2011
Fire Marshal Bill wrote:
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I believe both Gettysburg and Littlestown use towers and as I recall New Oxford also but not sure. But I am sure a little drive around and you can identify a few more communities.
You can add Hanover, which also serves McSherrystown, Conewago Township, and Penn Township to that list. They use two towers and Parrs Hill reservoir to supplement the pumped system during the weekdays and are the sole source for water over the weekends when the pumps are not in operation except for an emergency.
SJR

Hanover, PA

#29 Feb 2, 2011
Im not convinced your correct on our towers supplying the hydrant system, I know your correct for the water we use in our homes though.
Fire Marshal Bill

Gettysburg, PA

#30 Feb 2, 2011
SJR wrote:
Im not convinced your correct on our towers supplying the hydrant system, I know your correct for the water we use in our homes though.
MOST water systems around here are both domestic and hydrant systems. I don't know of a water system in our area that is separated. You may notice that when water companies are testing hydrants they will often put notices in the paper to people that they are doing so and that the subscribers may notice "dirty" water coming from the taps.

Usual domestic use on the system doesn't tax it much, and there will be sediment settle in the pipes. When they test the hydrants they flow to the maximum of that particular water main or cross main, and this can be as much as 1,500 gallons per minute or more, and will disturb this sentiment and cause it to get into the water system and it will come out of your domestic tap.

Depending on how good the municipal water system is in your community, should there be a fire and the department is using the hydrants, you may find the pressure in the house drops at that time.

As you drive through the communities look for water towers, and in most cases they are supplying the domestic and fire suppression water supply. There are some towers, but they are not usually a very large capacity, that are used by some industries because their insurance carrier requires them to have an emergency water supply on site. I this case the tower most likely only supplies the fire hydrants and sprinkler and standpipe systems for that industry.
Say What

Reading, PA

#31 Feb 2, 2011
SJR wrote:
Very interesting Say What....I didnt know we had any dams large enough locally to supply hydrant systems, or even towers supplying hydrants.
I could very well be incorrect, but this is very interesting news to me. Could you elaborate and share which dams and towers feed which hydrant systems locally? I am always up for learning new things
I don't know about Adams, but in Franklin County, a large number of hydrants on the Guilford system are gavity fed as well as some for Chambersburg. I do know they've installed some pumps to boost pressure.

But there are many, many systems out there that are strictly gravity fed.
Gee

Manheim, PA

#32 Feb 17, 2011
Lets do a little math here ,Back in the day when fire trucks frist came about they pumped 250 to 500 gallons of water per minute at best , So all the little towns that poped up built fire hydrant systems to supply them, BUT OMG now after talking with one of there older members East Berlins two fire trucks can flow 2000 and 1500 gallons per minute OMG that 3500 gallons of water per minute and to ask a system that was build to give 500 gallons of water per minute is not going to work very well now is it , So they have over the years been useing tankers and drafting from the creek witch gives them 600 to 700 gallions of water per minunte as well as portable pumps to increase there intake to over 1000 galions of water per minunte. so at this point were ok unless the creek drys up
Fire Marshal Bill

Gettysburg, PA

#33 Feb 18, 2011
Gee wrote:
Lets do a little math here ,Back in the day when fire trucks frist came about they pumped 250 to 500 gallons of water per minute at best , So all the little towns that poped up built fire hydrant systems to supply them, BUT OMG now after talking with one of there older members East Berlins two fire trucks can flow 2000 and 1500 gallons per minute OMG that 3500 gallons of water per minute and to ask a system that was build to give 500 gallons of water per minute is not going to work very well now is it , So they have over the years been useing tankers and drafting from the creek witch gives them 600 to 700 gallions of water per minunte as well as portable pumps to increase there intake to over 1000 galions of water per minunte. so at this point were ok unless the creek drys up
Gee, your math works pretty good, but you need to understand that the fire department only has to take enough water from the hydrant system to extinguish the fire, and not to fill the capacity of the apparatus.

MOST residential fires are extinguished with one hand line flowing about 150 to 200 GPM, with of course a back up line in position in the event the fire extends or gets out of control, or the first line fails for some reason. So MOST residential fires don’t require a flow of water that would be exceeded by that 500 GPM hydrant system.

But the department needs those larger capacity pumps because of the not to often, but all to frequent occasions when the additional flow is required.

Also look at the fact that back when the department was purchasing 250 to 500 GPM units they were also carrying only about the same amount of water on the apparatus in the tank. Either the hydrant system was required or more apparatus, usually tankers were required to provide the flow. Today most apparatus carries at least 1,000 gallons and in MOST cases this is enough to extinguish the AVERAGE residential fire. But again the extra water on the apparatus and the hydrant system are necessary for the occasional fire that is not your AVERAGE fire.

Yes the hydrant system is necessary but the local departments, I am sure have addressed the situation.

And if I may ask, are you sure that the current water supply system is only 500 GPM?

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