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There are 18 comments on the AMNY story from Mar 31, 2008, titled Gay Couple Loses Benefits Wirth Move -- Labor Legislation, Idah.... In it, AMNY reports that:

What they didn't know before moving to Idaho could fill a house, and in many ways it does.

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bbednarz

Fairfield, NJ

#1 Mar 31, 2008
..."We fell in love with the area, we love Idaho," .
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...god moves in mysterious ways -<>- a fool leaps then looks

JBF

Since: Mar 07

Richmond, IN

#2 Mar 31, 2008
Brian Fisher is a fake (as well as a nut job.)

He has also caused great harm to many people.

Fisher is the sole employee of the Idaho Values Alliance. The 2-year old organization is a sham, and most likely will shut down for lack of funds.

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Idaho Values Alliance is in financial straits
By Heath Druzin
Published November 15, 2007
http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/sto...
bobby- g

High Springs, FL

#3 Mar 31, 2008
Idaho is a "mainstream" state. The gay lifestyle is an "alternative" life style and will never be accepted as "mainstream". This is an indisputable fact. What remains are queer proponents who are spreading across the country like a plague of locusts. The A.C.L.U. is a discredited group of rabble rousers who rush out of the house each day with a leash in hand, looking for their next victim. In effect, the vast majority of the remaining good and decent people become victimized every time
the A.C.L.U barks like a rabid dog. Stop the madness. Thanks.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#5 Mar 31, 2008
bobby- g wrote:
Idaho is a "mainstream" state. The gay lifestyle is an "alternative" life style and will never be accepted as "mainstream". This is an indisputable fact. What remains are queer proponents who are spreading across the country like a plague of locusts. The A.C.L.U. is a discredited group of rabble rousers who rush out of the house each day with a leash in hand, looking for their next victim. In effect, the vast majority of the remaining good and decent people become victimized every time
the A.C.L.U barks like a rabid dog. Stop the madness. Thanks.
Completely false.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#6 Mar 31, 2008
While I sympathize with their plight, before making any such move I would research the topic thoroughly instead of moving and then complaining when things aren't like they were "back home".
westernman

Mission, KS

#7 Apr 3, 2008
Why should they have expected their benefits to change??? No str8 person would. Stop treating gay people like second class citizens. This is a corporate decision not a state issue so there should be no change.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#8 Apr 3, 2008
westernman wrote:
Why should they have expected their benefits to change??? No str8 person would. Stop treating gay people like second class citizens. This is a corporate decision not a state issue so there should be no change.
Actually, that should have indeed been a consideration, assumptions are what places people in spots like this. You simply cannot assume that nothing would change.
John

Milton, Canada

#9 Apr 5, 2008
"The couple was stunned when Ryan was dropped from the company insurance plan the two shared in New Jersey, where they were able to register as domestic partners. Idaho does not formally recognize same-sex couples.

"It didn't even dawn on us that this would have an impact," Ryan said."

Obviously Ryan and his partner are both fools. They moved to a generally conservative state, they should have known that would happen. And now they're complaining? Idiots. Gay people should have their own country, an island somewhere in the pacific ... far far away from normal society.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#10 Apr 5, 2008
John wrote:
Gay people should have their own country, an island somewhere in the pacific ... far far away from normal society.
No, that would be the place for Bigots to move, away from normal society.

“IBM had it right: "Think"”

Since: Mar 07

SF Bay Area Suburbs

#13 Apr 5, 2008
Wonder how the christianistas who push these hate-filled amendments can sleep at night?

If they want to move back to their image of the 50s for marriage, they should be consistent, and try to recriminalize homosexuality. THAT would make clear that this is about hate, not "protecting" marriage.

“IBM had it right: "Think"”

Since: Mar 07

SF Bay Area Suburbs

#14 Apr 5, 2008
Idaho isn't the problem here (although there are plenty of problems with Idaho if you're not straight, white, male and mormon). The problem is an employer that doesn't have a clue about employee management. Companies claim they want to recruit and retain the best people, but then Konica pulls this crap. It shows Konica don't want the best people, don't want to be competitive.

The amendment has nothing to do with whether an employer can offer benefits to employees on the company's terms.
John wrote:
"The couple was stunned when Ryan was dropped from the company insurance plan the two shared in New Jersey, where they were able to register as domestic partners. Idaho does not formally recognize same-sex couples.
"It didn't even dawn on us that this would have an impact," Ryan said."
Obviously Ryan and his partner are both fools. They moved to a generally conservative state, they should have known that would happen. And now they're complaining? Idiots. Gay people should have their own country, an island somewhere in the pacific ... far far away from normal society.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#15 Apr 5, 2008
Liberals Suk wrote:
<quoted text>
Taking it up the asz is normal? You need a dose of reality, not some fairy tale.
Ask the heterosexuals that do the same thing. You wouldn't know anything about normal, bigotry isn't normal.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#16 Apr 5, 2008
slick wrote:
<quoted text>
COMPLETELY TRUE!!!
OF COURSE I'M NOT A "PERVERTED QUEER" EITHER!!!!!
False.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#17 Apr 5, 2008
slick wrote:
<quoted text>OF COURSE I'M NOT A "PERVERTED QUEER" EITHER!!!!!
I'm not a perverted queer, either. I am gay, though.

By the way, have you seen the studies that show a definite link between anti-gay bigotry and sexual arousal while watching gay porn? You might want to check those studies out--they might make you feel a little better about yourself.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#18 Apr 5, 2008
Gary47 wrote:
Wonder how the christianistas who push these hate-filled amendments can sleep at night?
If they want to move back to their image of the 50s for marriage, they should be consistent, and try to recriminalize homosexuality. THAT would make clear that this is about hate, not "protecting" marriage.
It's all about forcing other people to either believe the same things they believe, or suffer if they don't. I really think that Christians revel in this type of thing--more misery, more better, we don't like you anyway. REALLY sick stuff.
Get Real

Orlando, FL

#19 Apr 5, 2008
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not a perverted queer, either. I am gay, though.
By the way, have you seen the studies that show a definite link between anti-gay bigotry and sexual arousal while watching gay porn? You might want to check those studies out--they might make you feel a little better about yourself.
Why does every homosexual think straight people want to turn gay? You found a "study" about straight people getting turned on by gay porn? I'm glad I didn't go to that college. Look, most people in this country have not and still do not want a gay couple together to be labeled a marriage. The religions that have refused to consecrate gay marriage have done so for hundreds if not thousands of years. And most gay people today spend their time trashing both groups like this is something that just popped up. Look, if you want a solution try this:
1. Respect the opinions of those who disagree with you. They are not all fanatics, bigots, hate-mongers, etc. Some have genuine concerns and a working brain in their head. After all you have removed yourself from the general public by calling yourself "Gay." YOU have defined your entire life by your sexual preference not them.
2. If you are a gay couple try to establish a civil union status for yourselves in law. Don't force a church or a general public that does not feel it is right to go along. If you do this then you are as guilty of forcing your views on others as you claim others do to you.
3. Accept that if there are civil unions. And if they hold the same status before a civil court as a marriage does then you will have to abide by the same standards of conduct that a member of married couple would. Take a close look at this before you decide to procede

“dyssonance hotmail”

Since: Mar 07

Phoenix, AZ

#20 Apr 6, 2008
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
Why does every homosexual think straight people want to turn gay?
Why did you leap to an erroneous and unfounded conclusion like that?

I've met about one gay person who thinks straight people want to turn gay. One.

But lots of straight people who think that gay people want them to do so.

You need to improve your reading comprehension skills and re-read his post.
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>You found a "study" about straight people getting turned on by gay porn? I'm glad I didn't go to that college.


Well, given its more than one study, and that it was at more than one college, that might not make you safe.

Nor was it *straight people*. It was people who self identified as possessing an aversion to, intense dislike of, and/or fear of homosexuals or homosexuality through a series of questions similar to "do you think that gays are a threat to society?".

THe control groups were people who were gay, as well as another one of people who answered differently.

The studies found that people who were bigoted against gays did indeed find gay pron arousing to a *much* greater degree than those who didn't have a problem.

That didn't make them gay, mind you -- that is, the fact they were aroused was not indicative that they were gay.

They could have merely been bisexual.

Further studies also noted they were much, much more likely to be sexist, misogynistic, and racist, as well.
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
After all you have removed yourself from the general public by calling yourself "Gay." YOU have defined your entire life by your sexual preference not them.
This is absurdist and incorrect. Indeed, the opposite is more correct.
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>2. If you are a gay couple try to establish a civil union status for yourselves in law. Don't force a church or a general public that does not feel it is right to go along. If you do this then you are as guilty of forcing your views on others as you claim others do to you.
Good thing that the marriage advocates are not doing that -- indeed, in the US, no one can force a church to marry them.

THe general public, however, felt that interracial marriage wasn't right, either.
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>3. Accept that if there are civil unions. And if they hold the same status before a civil court as a marriage does then you will have to abide by the same standards of conduct that a member of married couple would. Take a close look at this before you decide to procede
THey have. ANd, once civil unions grant all the same privs and rights as marriage -*including kinship rights*- then odds are they won't have any issue with them at all.

But, thus far, civil unions are an insult, as they are not equivalent, and will never be without the rights of kinship.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#21 Apr 6, 2008
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
Why does every homosexual think straight people want to turn gay? You found a "study" about straight people getting turned on by gay porn? I'm glad I didn't go to that college.
You really SHOULD read the study before you judge it. I'm sure you'd find it very interesting.
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, most people in this country have not and still do not want a gay couple together to be labeled a marriage.
Again, you should read some research data on how opinions have changed over the past few years before you make claims like this.
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
The religions that have refused to consecrate gay marriage have done so for hundreds if not thousands of years.
Wrong again. Even the Catholic church has special liturgies from the Middle Ages and earlier for consecrating same-sex marriage. If you don't believe me, Google it. Several books have been written on the subject--books that were researched in the Vatican using original writings. Many other organized religions have officially recognized them, too.

Again--do some reading before you profess your uninformed prejudices to be historical fact.
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, if you want a solution try this:
1. Respect the opinions of those who disagree with you. They are not all fanatics, bigots, hate-mongers, etc. Some have genuine concerns and a working brain in their head.
I would tell you exactly the same thing about respecting others' opinions. You don't appear to practice what you preach very well, do you?

Also, there's no such thing as "genuine concerns" when it comes to sticking your nose into other peoples' private business.
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>After all you have removed yourself from the general public by calling yourself "Gay." YOU have defined your entire life by your sexual preference not them.
Again, you need to work on your personal prejudices before you claim things like this. When someone refers to themselves as "straight", are they defining their entire life by their sexual preferences?? You really need to start considering issues from both sides if you're to be taken seriously.
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
2. If you are a gay couple try to establish a civil union status for yourselves in law. Don't force a church or a general public that does not feel it is right to go along. If you do this then you are as guilty of forcing your views on others as you claim others do to you.
First, we're not "forcing our views" onto anyone. No one is trying to force churches to recognize same-sex marriage--only the government, which is supposed to be representing and protecting US, too.

Next, civil unions would only work if straight couples were required to do the same. The extremely short history of "separate, but equal" civil unions on the east coast has already proven that civil unions don't work. "Separate, but equal" never works.
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
3. Accept that if there are civil unions. And if they hold the same status before a civil court as a marriage does then you will have to abide by the same standards of conduct that a member of married couple would. Take a close look at this before you decide to procede
"Standards of conduct"??? Can you explain to me what "standards of conduct" gay people would have to change in order to be acceptable to you as married couples?(this I gotta hear!!).

Also, would YOU want to face and endless stream of litigation to have your marital rights recognized?? Do you really think that's a reasonable solution?

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