- Shooting in Dyersville

- Shooting in Dyersville

There are 45 comments on the Telegraph Herald story from Nov 29, 2008, titled - Shooting in Dyersville. In it, Telegraph Herald reports that:

DYERSVILLE, Iowa - Law enforcement officials from several agencies are at the scene of a shooting this hour in Dyersville.

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Concerned Citizen

San Francisco, CA

#1 Dec 1, 2008
Why this shooter, Chris from Master Key Locksmithing in Dubuque, felt compelled to use deadly force against someone like David is beyond me. David was clearly not a fighter, but was blowing off steam in the protection and defense of his significant other. This Chris guy is a coward and a murderer. Justice will be done.
tired of whiners

Santa Fe, TX

#2 Dec 1, 2008

I'm sure that Chris did not go to work that day planning to shoot David . For whatever reason though , he did.Let me ask you this. What right did David have to"blow off steam in the protection and defense of his signifgant other" to chris in the first place? He had absolutely no right whatsoever to confront him or blow up at him at all. chris was simply hired to do a job, not to be the target of any sort of rant by David, regardless of what his reason was. Chris was not the person that evicted David and his girlfriend, the apartment owners and the courts did that. Chris was just the guy who changed the locks and he had every legal right to do it.
He did not go to work to be assaulted or to be the target of some rant by someone who was old enough to know how to behave too.
This was not at all a one sided deal. Both parties have a share of the blame for what happenned because David had just as many opportunities to walk away from the altercation as Chris did. But he didn't did he? He chose to stay and vent or blow off steam instead of just getting his stuff and leaving like he should have. He was evicted, he had no legal right to be there any longer than necessary to get his belongings and leave. He apparently chose to follow a different path than that for whatever reason, be it frustration or something someone may or may not have said to him, but HE CHOSE TO GET INTO AND STAY IN THE ALTERCATION. Unfortunately his decision cost him his life.
It is indeed tragic that he has died and that his kids lost their father but it took both men to cause this and like it or not, David and his girlfriends actions prior to this regarding not paying the rent or whatever else caused them to be evicted are what set this whole thing in motion. Had they paid their rent on time they would not have been evicted , Chris would not have been hired, no altercation would have ensued. david and his girlfriend have all of these "friends" that are coming to Davids defense now, but where were these"friends" when they could have pitched in and helped these two when they were down and were in jeopardy of losing their home? Nowhere.Where was this "concerned citizen"? Nowhere.
The sad truth is is that the entire situation could have easily been avoided long before this happenned and that no one person is solely to blame for this tragic death. Chris did not want to kill David any more than David wanted to die.Neither man woke up that morning and said to himself " hey this would be fun".But due to a combined set of unfortunate circumstances that neither man could have easily forseen Chris killed David. You weren't there, and neither was I so desparaging comments or placing blame by either of us is just a desperate attempt at channeling grief and trying to make sense of it all. Problem is , there is no sense to it all . It is life, it makes no sense, never has , never will.
Concerned Citizen

San Francisco, CA

#3 Dec 3, 2008
for your information, David was defending his girlfriend against Mr. Leppert's foul temper. He is known around Dubuque to be rude and mean-spirited. This has been corroborated by several people I know who have been serviced by him.

The young lady wanted to know where her cats had gone. She approached him and may have been angry. She was called names and told to quit "being a baby". David told him to watch the way he spoke to his girlfriend, and Mr. Leppert said, "are we going to have a problem here?" David replied, "yeah, we will if you keep speaking to her in that manner". Mr. Leppert threw off his eyeglasses, ran up and "bumped chests" with David, and just so you know....Mr. Leppert threw the first blow. David had a bruise on his back that he received from having been slammed into a wall. When the young lady tried to dial 911, Mr. Leppert knocked her cell-phone from her hand and pushed her to the ground. So, don't talk to me about whiners. You know nothing other than what you've read and you've based conclusion upon that to defend someone. Whiners? Perhaps you might like to say that the three little girls who have lost a father are "whiners". This is a clear case of someone who possesses a permit to carry not having enough responsibility or enough sense to know when to use a gun and when to simply drive away. Why did'nt he just start the car and drive away? Why didn't he dial 911 if he felt he was in danger? No. Mr. Leppert decided that nobody was going to trade blows with him and he decided he was going to show David just who the boss was in this particular situation. Murder. By a coward. And it's not over. Not by a long shot.
LISTEN YOU

Bettendorf, IA

#4 Dec 3, 2008
YOUR A PUKE!! you dont know the whole story it was my uncle he wouldnt do that david ran up to his car and started beating him. he is not that type of guy that would just shoot someone. david just wouldnt let it go my uncle couldnt breath after david has been hitting him
WOW

Epworth, IA

#5 Dec 3, 2008
Wow, Concerned Cit. you really seem to know whats going on here. You should take the stand at the trial. PSCH, First off i'm going to say that Chris is no murderer in my opinion. I know Chris pretty well, he's an extreamly well mannered and religious person. Second, I think he would really have to feel like he's in serious danger to actually use a gun. Have you seen this guy? I think he could rip Popeye in two! If you take Chris as a dick, you're an idiot. I have a seriously tough time seeing Chris throw the first punch, but whatever, fact of the matter is, he tried to get away, but your boy wouldn't let it die, and decided to jump in Chris' car and beat him some more.. Well, if I were in that situation, I would have to go ahead and shoot you if I had a gun too. Also, If someone was Trying to beat up my wife or family and they left, I certainly wouldn't be chasing them out to their car to see them off, I'd be calling the cops! And I sure as fuck wouldn't be giving a guy I murdered CPR! You are an Idiot Concerned Citizen, I do feel bad David is dead, but thats no murder IMO
still tired of whiners

Santa Fe, TX

#6 Dec 4, 2008
In response to "concerned citizen" get it straight , I was not refering to his girlfriend and kids as whiners , I was refering to YOU as a whiner and all of the idiots such as yourself that seem to take a onesided view of the situation whether it be for Chris or David without knowing either man or the situation because they weren't there. I never said I was defending Chris and I would never wish this kind of pain on any family or child. But I'm not going to rush to condemn him either.
I'm just asking you why you can defend a man's supposed right to blow off steam in defense of his significant other (your words not mine) but cannot allow for that man then to defend himself. I'm asking why someone like yourself, who seems to know this altercation word for word and blow for blow as if maybe you were right there watching the entire thing did nothing to stop it before it came to blows? Or were you not there either and are just listening to the girlfriends account and taking it as fact when you don't know any more than what you've heard? YOU are what I'm calling whiners. It seems to be ok for you to go entirely on what you have heard from someone else and base your conclusions on that regarding Chris yet when you believe that is what is going on by someone else you take offense. It is obvious from your statement that you have never had any work done by Chris and are just basing your one sided opinion on the comments of others. But God forbid someone else may do that. I have had a lot of work done by him and never had a problem with his work or his attitude, that's how I base my opinion not by listening to WHINERS. I have also worked with David a while ago and never had a problem with him or his attitude and again THAT is how I base my opinion, not by listening to WHINERS. And for your information,the facts of the matter are these (I know they are the "facts' because they are from you "concered citizen" and as we all know You know all).Fact one, the young lady initiated the confrontation(your words not mine) because she was angry and wanted to know where her cats were. After some words started David decided to do what? He told the guy not to talk to the girl that way. Understandable , been there , done that. Then according to you Chris asks him if there is going to be a problem. If I had two people bitching at me I would probably ask the same thing (been there done that too.)
what did David do? He decided to, for whatever reason , whether it be anger or some attempt at intimidating the other guy or defending his girl, stay and say in your words "yeah we will if you keep speaking to her in that manner". That was a verbal threat. I'm not saying it justified getting shot but it was part of how this escalated. BOTH parties caused this, whether you like it or not.
You asked "why didn't he just get in his car and drive away?why didn't he dial 911 if he thought he was in danger?"Well that was and is my question to you , why didn't David and his girlfriend just leave? Why say what he supposedly said instead of just taking his girlfriend by the hand and saying "it's not worth it"? Like I said in the last post the sad truth to this is that the entire situation could have been avoided long before this escalated into David being shot and no one person is solely to blame for his tragic death. David did not want to die anymore than Chris wanted to shoot him but due to a COMBINED set of unfortunate circumstances that neither man could nave easily forseen Chris killed David. You weren't there and neither was I so desparaging comments and placing blame by either one of us is just a desperate attempt at channeling grief and trying to make sense of it all. It is life, it makes no sense, never has , never will.
Concerned Citizen

San Francisco, CA

#7 Dec 6, 2008
Ok. I'm a puke. Whatever. If you and I get into an altercation, and I punch you in the face, knock the phone from your girlfriend's hand while she's dialing 911, and proceed to pound you, then pull out a legal pocketknife and cut your throat, am I guilty of murder, or is it self-defense? And who the hell is whining? I'm looking for justice and a grain of truth. I've spoken to many of the people there and I'm sorry, but it just doesn't add up. He apparently did much locksmithing for the County and City of Dubuque, and that is why he is walking free. You or I would still be behind bars. You know it and I know it. Anyway, I'm done with this discussion. I understand now why the people of the Midwest are known for their self-righteousness, narrow-mindedness, and ignorance. All the best to you and your friend Chris.
wow

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#8 Dec 6, 2008
concerned ctzn. wow talk about haveing blinders on it is clear that you are related or close to david, his girlfriend or family, you want justice but you do not want to here the other side of the story, i've heard nothing from leppert's side of the story, your ready to convict and sentence the man on how you feel not what the facts are, and if that is self-righteous, narrow minded ang ignorant count me in. i will wait untill all of the evidence is in before i'm ready to hang a guy.
Concerned Citizen

San Francisco, CA

#9 Dec 7, 2008
No. This case is close to my heart, but I cannot bring myself to judge Leppert because I don't know all the facts. I only ask that he be made accountable for his actions - whether this be through trial or through public explanation doesn't matter. Do I want to see him go to jail for years of his life? No. Do I want to see him retaliated against? No. Would I like to know what was going through his mind at the moment he decided to use deadly force? Most definitely. I can only tell you that David Herman was not, unlike some have called him, a "savage", nor was he a second-rate citizen. He worked hard, didn't ask for much and gave all he had to three little girls. My heart aches for all concerned. I only want clear justice, without all the bureaucratic BS, whether this means he walks or is convicted. I cannot put myself in his place, nor can I know what he went through. I am basing my views on what I have been told by people at the scene. I was not there. However, I stand by my statement that if it had been you or I, we would still be in jail, awaiting the outcome. I express only myopinion and apologize if it ruffles feathers.
no longer a whiner

Dubuque, IA

#10 Dec 13, 2008
Concerned citizen. Had your first posted comment been as well spoken and honest as this last one I would have in no way ever called you a whiner. Your last post is quite honestly what most people are wanting and I respect that. What I think caused all of the ruffled feathers were your original comments.
Go back and re read your original post and compare it to this one.The latest looks like it came from an educated well meaning adult with a reasonable opinion as to this situation, and the first seems simply to be a hot headed blowhard with an axe to grind.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt when you say you don't want to judge Chris but when you called him a coward and a murderer that is exactly what you seemed to be doing and that is why I reacted as to calling you a whiner.
No one that I know has ever referred to David as a second rate citizen, and if that is what you are hearing, you should be offended. As I have stated twice already I have worked with him before and never had any problems with him that I can remember. Nor have I had problems with Chris.
The problem I had, repeat had, was with your seemingly onesided comments.
Had the first comment on this post been someone saying that David was a worthless person that had it coming I would have went off on them just as I did on you. This had nothing to do with whose side I'm on because I feel for both sides.
I just cannot stand when someone makes disparaging comments such as what was originally said by you about Chris when you obviously don't know him personally and were just going on what you heard from others.The same would hold true for anyone I heard saying unsubstantiated things about David. You just got the honor of being the first to speak ill of someone so I fired back.

It's a horrible situation any way you look at it and I would never, ever wish this on any family , ever. No child should grow up without a father.
no longer a whiner

Dubuque, IA

#11 Dec 13, 2008
One last thing to everyone. I did not and do not take this situation lightly and I hope none of you do either. A young man is dead, and whatever your feelings are in this matter, regardless of whose "side" you're on these kids have to face Christmas without their dad and then the rest of their life. It's tragic, regardless of the circumstances surrounding it.
I know this pain first hand. 20 years ago one of my relatives was raped, murdered and buried in a shallow grave and was missing for weeks until the rain washed her body off and some poor teenager found her. She left a husband and kids too. The cops knew who the guy was even before she was found but he walked for three weeks until she was discovered. He's someones playmate in prison now.

But as much as I despise this guy for what he did, I still have to be honest and state some hard to deal with truths. Had she not been out partying in a place where she knew nobody, had she not went on a walk in the woods with a man she didn't know and had no business being with, had she just went home to her family, she would not be dead. She did not deserve to be raped or murdered, but she made some very bad decisions that led up to her being somewhere she had no business being. She had never been like that before, but it only takes once.
The same can be said for this situation. Neither man was known by his family and friends to be mean or violent, neither family would ever see this coming. Problem is you never really know. People are a strange breed, life is hell and it will never , ever make sense.
shadow

Guttenberg, IA

#12 Dec 21, 2008
LISTEN YOU wrote:
YOUR A PUKE!! you dont know the whole story it was my uncle he wouldnt do that david ran up to his car and started beating him. he is not that type of guy that would just shoot someone. david just wouldnt let it go my uncle couldnt breath after david has been hitting him
bullsh**,he's a murderer.
shadow

Guttenberg, IA

#13 Dec 21, 2008
LISTEN YOU wrote:
YOUR A PUKE!! you dont know the whole story it was my uncle he wouldnt do that david ran up to his car and started beating him. he is not that type of guy that would just shoot someone. david just wouldnt let it go my uncle couldnt breath after david has been hitting him
bullsh** he's a murderering enraged man,who needs to man up and quit being a p*ssy and take responability for his actions of homicide
ur a tard

Dubuque, IA

#14 Dec 22, 2008
shadow wrote:
<quoted text>bullsh** he's a murderering enraged man,who needs to man up and quit being a p*ssy and take responability for his actions of homicide
As the king of all pu*sies you should know.
shadow

Guttenberg, IA

#15 Dec 27, 2008
truth hurt? I guess all u pus*ses stick together,huh. justice will happen. glad to know i bothered you enough to post a comment. must suck to be that guys nephew,embarrassing to have a uncle that's a murdering fa*got,PU*SY,BITCH that can't fight like a man,but sure can pull that gun out and use it.Good guy.I bet you didn't really know the type of gun he was carring was obviously bought to kill someone,.32's bouce around inside hitting every major organ,however if the RETARD would of bought a smaller caliber it would of went straight through and maybe not of killed someone.He sure did buy something he knew was gonna kill someone instead of just injuring somebody.Really, how long did he have his permit?Not very long,but he sure was quick to use it. He got that gun and had every intention of using it on somebody,just a little soon,don't ya think. He's a murdering pig,and i think he told u one too many bedtime stories.Self-defense my *ss.
wow

Dubuque, IA

#16 Jan 14, 2009
What would you have him use, a Daisy BB Gun? The reason a bullet bounces around is due more to the type of bullet used, not the gun. You can get fragmenting tip shells that will come apart on impact and cause the "bounce around" damage you describe. Most often the reason the bullet seems to bounce through the body is due to hitting bone. If you hit a rib or any other bone in the body the bullet can and usually will be deflected to a different area in the body instead of going straight through. The caliber of the weapon is not what causes the bouncing around.
Just me

Rockwell City, IA

#17 Jan 19, 2009
Concerned Citizen wrote:
for your information, David was defending his girlfriend against Mr. Leppert's foul temper. He is known around Dubuque to be rude and mean-spirited. This has been corroborated by several people I know who have been serviced by him.
The young lady wanted to know where her cats had gone. She approached him and may have been angry. She was called names and told to quit "being a baby". David told him to watch the way he spoke to his girlfriend, and Mr. Leppert said, "are we going to have a problem here?" David replied, "yeah, we will if you keep speaking to her in that manner". Mr. Leppert threw off his eyeglasses, ran up and "bumped chests" with David, and just so you know....Mr. Leppert threw the first blow. David had a bruise on his back that he received from having been slammed into a wall. When the young lady tried to dial 911, Mr. Leppert knocked her cell-phone from her hand and pushed her to the ground. So, don't talk to me about whiners. You know nothing other than what you've read and you've based conclusion upon that to defend someone. Whiners? Perhaps you might like to say that the three little girls who have lost a father are "whiners". This is a clear case of someone who possesses a permit to carry not having enough responsibility or enough sense to know when to use a gun and when to simply drive away. Why did'nt he just start the car and drive away? Why didn't he dial 911 if he felt he was in danger? No. Mr. Leppert decided that nobody was going to trade blows with him and he decided he was going to show David just who the boss was in this particular situation. Murder. By a coward. And it's not over. Not by a long shot.
I don't believe one word of it.....
Wow

United States

#18 Feb 12, 2009
Dude you guys dont know what your talking about you need to get your stories right. you cant judge someone by what they did one time and Chris was not the type of guy to go around mean headed he tries to help everything and everyone out. he has helped everyone in every way. now what if david just kept going around and did that kind of shi* to people and eventually killed people? Think before you speek
dyer

Lake View, IA

#19 Feb 18, 2009
I heard that he fired the second shot after his victim was out the car on the ground. There may have been a witness to that, allegedly.
wow

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#20 Feb 21, 2009
wow you heard that he fired a shot well that must mean that it is true. where is the witness, if it were true and there was indeed a witness leppert would be in jail right now, it must really suck living in a small town, nothing to do but start rumors. what i wounder is ? had the girlfriend kept her mouth shut, it sounds like none of this would have happened. i hope she sleeps well at nite.

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