Man released after being questioned about shooting

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Police have released a 48-year-old Dubuque man who was taken into custody after the shooting death of another man at a Dyersville apartment building.
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no4gman

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The "victim" in this case was NOT David Herman. The true Victim was the one the Tribune called "the shooter." The Victim who was questioned and released by the police, was later identified as 48 year-old Christopher Leppert. Herman attacked Leppert, then Leppert retreated from the apartment building to his own car. Herman then went into Leppert's car to attack him again. Leppert then legally defended himself with a gun for which he was legally allowed to carry as he had a Permit to Carry issued by the local Sheriff. Do people not have the right to defend themselves? Does the Tribune have to mislable the people in this case simply because the Victim defended himself with a gun? Ok, maybe in Chicago people are supposed to just allow themselves to be killed. But not in Iowa.
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Dec 5, 2008
 
What do you expect from a paper that is based in one of the highest crime rated cities in the nation coupled with strictest gun control laws in our nation. The ONLY thing that gun bans like the ones in Chicago area and actually in the state of Illinois itself do, is embolden the criminals who will not abide by the bans, and take away the right to self defense for law abiding citizens. We have all seen how well Chicagoland's decades of gun bans has worked out.
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First of all if you have a permit for a gun you should know that the proper way to defend yourself is to not kill anyone and if you do need to use such force a person with a permit should know that a knee or arm will stop anyone from attacking them!!!! Christopher Leppert should have not attacked Davids girlfriend which David was only trying to defend her so she didn't get hurt from Chistopher!!! There was alot of the story that goes untold that people DO NOT know about. Did you know that Christopher Leppert used physical force on David's girlfriend?? What do people think about men who hit women?? If he was in such fear for his life why didn't he leave the scene instead of getting a gun and killing a father, a friend, a soon to be husband, a son, and other possibilities of what he could of been. I knew someone that once got in a fight and punched someone in the head causing injury and left the other person deceased. The guy that accidently killed him and is sitting in prison and it was just an accident. Prison is where Christopher Leppert should be. And that guy used his fist not a gun and in this case a gun should of never have been brought out of his truck and used as a weapon!!!! In this case it was intentional and Christopher wouldn't even help Davids girlfriend revive her boyfriend, and then people starting coming out of their houses and then all of a sudden his act changed because he knew what he did was wrong and it was something that he had obviously thought about doing before he even did it. David Herman was a good guy and father, he was a loving caring and quite person and for all of you people who are saying these horrible things you should be ashamed of yourselves and remember have you ever been in a fight?? You don't have to resolve a situation with killing someone no matter what!!!
get your facts right

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how the hell do you know whether or not he was justified or not?
David's girlfriend had been legaly evicted from this place. She was not happy about it and neither was David. That was of their own doing and had nothing to do with Chris. He was simply hired to change the damn locks in two apartments and that is what he was doing.
He did David's girlfriends apartment first and while he was doing the second the girlfriend took it upon herself to confront him about things he had no control of and started questioning him and yelling at him about her cats. When Chris replied David got in his face and told him to watch his mouth. Chris asked david and his girlfriend if there was going to be a problem and David replied " we will have if you keep talking to my girlfriend like that."
More arguing ensued and it became physical, two against one. Whether one was a woman or not was and is of no consequence, assault is not based on gender. Mr. Leppert went to his vehicle with the intent to get away from the altercation, NOT with the intention to get his gun but David FOLLOWED him and continued the altercation by actually getting into the passenger side and beating on Mr Leppert some more. Mr Leppert fired his weapon twice in self defense. One missed , one hit David.
Mr Leppert did not just stand there as you stated. He busted his ass to try to keep David alive while all of these so called friends just stood around with their heads up their asses. He did not run away, he did not lie to the police. He gave this young man CPR until the authorities arrived and took over and he stayed there, cooperated with the police, admitted to everything and was released pending an investigation.
Had the ambulance got there faster and if Dyersville actually had a decent hospital with a trauma center instead of a glorified bandaid station maybe David would still be alive.
You asked the same stupid question I here from every other idiot that doesn't want to face reality. You asked"if he was in such fear for his life why didn't he just leave the scene?"
That is exactly what he was tryin to do when he went to his vehicle, he was planning on leaving but David couldn't let it go and followed him, he wouldn't let him leave.
Let me ask you this, why the hell did they confront him in the first place? He was just doing his job and had nothing to do with them being kicked out. Why didn't David and his girlfriend just leave when it got heated? Weren't they capable of showing the same amount of restraint as you expected from Mr.Leppert or is there a different set of rules for them? They just get to act like idiots and Mr. Leppert is just supposed to stand there and get hit? He didn't go there to intentionally kill someone like you ignorantly stated, he went there to do his job and was attacked. Whether or not David was a good father has nothing to do with the fact tha he lost his cool and he and his girlfriend started this fight. All they had to do if they had a dispute was call the local police department which was only a few blocks from these apartments. They would have handled it for them. But instead they had to start the altercation. Did the guy deserve to die for being stupid, of course not. But you can't blame a guy for defending himself against an attack. He has that right and if someone is attacking you , you lame brained idiot, you go right ahead and use an arm or a knee. When the cops put your body on the stretcher or in the body bag at least you'll have your holier than thou , self righteous attitude intact, even if the rest of you isn't. You have absolutely no right to judge anyone, you were not in that mans shoes and have no idea what was in his head or his heart that made him pull that trigger. Hopefully you won't ever have to experience that level of fear. Then again, maybe it would do you some good to walk a mile in his shoes before you condemn him for something you know absolutely nothing about.
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It always facinates me how someone can commit an assault or some other type of crime and when they get stopped by the victim they turn it around to make themselves to be the poor innocent person and condemn the person that got attacked because he had the audacity to "oh my God" defend himself.

Noone is saying the kid deserved to die but lets get the honest truth out, not the rose colored glasses version of reality that people want you to believe because they can't admit the harsh reality that Leppert didn't start this altercation. Herman and his girlfriend were mad, they came back and found the locks were changed and they took out their frustrations on Mr. Leppert. That is the truth whether you choose to admit it or not or whether you choose to make excuses for it or not.
As for the ignorant comments from Marandappc3, I too have a legal carry permit and in Dubuque County it is not easy to get. I do bill collecting and reposessions and have had similar run-ins with "nice, quiet fathers" and I am telling you right now that when you have multiple people coming after you it is not as simple as "just walk away" even if you'd like to think it is.
Things aren't as black and white as you would like them to be and things escalate out of control in seconds, leaving you with no time to sit back and "weigh you options". Knees and arms do not usually stop someone who is hell bent on fighting and/or hurting you either by the way. And most of the time it is one person such as myself against multiple people ( family and friends or neighbors ). This is not like the little one on one fights you seem to be refering to that we had in grade school. Most fights are multiple people jumping in to get a piece of someone.
I have been in many altercations in my line of work.I have turned to walk away only to be hit in the back of the head with pipes, threatened with bats and had nice guys pull knives when I thought the altercation was under control. I have had knives pulled on me when having a civil conversation with someone who was losing their car when I was being polite enough to help them box up their personal belongings which I was not obligated to do. I even had one jackass follow me home and want to fight me in my own yard in front of my children. Nice huh? my kids get to see someone assault their dad at their home just for doing his job. He was a "nice guy" too. At least that is what his family and friends tried to tell the judge just before he went to jail. He stopped when I opened my jacket and showed him my gun.

And yes I have pulled my weapon more than once. It usually stops the situation right there. But I can guarantee you that if I was in fear for my life I would not hesitate to shoot the person attacking me because I HAVE A WIFE AND KIDS TOO!!! And as much as I don't want to have to kill someone I will guarantee you my life is worth more to me than their car is to them and I will do what it takes to make sure I make it home to my wife and kids. If that means I have to shoot someone when they assault me and leave me no other way out then so be it. I will not apologize for my desire to live another day when attacked by an idiot or a group of them.Do you need self control when you possess a weapon, absolutely. But you need to exercise that same self control when you are angry and contemplate attacking someone because of it. Noone has the right to attack another, regardless of how mad or frustrated they are at the situation they are in and if you choose to do so you had better be prepared to deal with whatever consequenses may result from your piss poor decision, regardless of how bad the consequences may be. Ignorance has it's price. When you assault someone and he defends himself and ends up kicking you ass or God forbid shoots you, you don't get to suddenly claim to be the victim. You're just an idiot.
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You know that there was a fight. But David had no intention of killing anyone, so why was a gun pulled on him. David was shot OUTSIDE the vehicle so Leppert could have drove away then. The conflict was over. OVER! when the shots were fired. You defend your women no matter what. And thats what he was doing. Leppert is sick and only did CPR after Davids Fiance BEGGED him. You people need to stop talking about it unless you know what you are talking about. Do you want his family to read some of these things? NO. They are devestated over David's death and you need not contribute to that pain. I know his family personally. You guys are sick. David was a hero to his brother, and you saying these things, and a 17 year old boy reads them is sick. You know how hurtful your words are to his family? No because all you can think of is being jerks and getting only pieces of the story and sounding so d*mn smart about something you know nothing about. LEAVE IT ALONE! I dont like seeing them cry every d*mn day. Leppert needs to be prosecuted..... bring the family justice. And let his children know their father was an amazing man.
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you seem to know an awful lot about this. A lot of it wasn't even released to the public yet. SO WHY DID YOU PULL THE TRIGGER???
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Apr 30, 2009
 
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you seem to know an awful lot about this. A lot of it wasn't even released to the public yet. SO WHY DID YOU PULL THE TRIGGER???
According to who? This and that not being realeased might be the "official" position but if you really think that anyone ( including the authorities ) in a small town like this ,where everyone knows everyone, really keeps a secret for very long you must be dillusional. These unreleased facts you allude to were common knowledge by the end of the day of the incident.
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Apr 30, 2009
 
Seanalee wrote:
You know that there was a fight. But David had no intention of killing anyone, so why was a gun pulled on him. David was shot OUTSIDE the vehicle so Leppert could have drove away then. The conflict was over. OVER! when the shots were fired. You defend your women no matter what. And thats what he was doing. Leppert is sick and only did CPR after Davids Fiance BEGGED him. You people need to stop talking about it unless you know what you are talking about. Do you want his family to read some of these things? NO. They are devestated over David's death and you need not contribute to that pain. I know his family personally. You guys are sick. David was a hero to his brother, and you saying these things, and a 17 year old boy reads them is sick. You know how hurtful your words are to his family? No because all you can think of is being jerks and getting only pieces of the story and sounding so d*mn smart about something you know nothing about. LEAVE IT ALONE! I dont like seeing them cry every d*mn day. Leppert needs to be prosecuted..... bring the family justice. And let his children know their father was an amazing man.
It's as simple as this..... Quit reading TOPIX if you don't like what people have to say. Why worry about the opinions of people you could care less about and will never meet anyway? it sounds to me like some sick personal torture to intentionally go to a post and read comments that you surely realize by now are going to be atleast partially critical or hurtful to you and your friends / family. Why would you put yourself through that when all you need to do is take your own advice and leave it alone?

you'll never sway anyone here anymore than they will sway your opinion. And honestly, why would you care about their opinions in the first place?

One question though. With no disrespect intended in anyway, did you give this same speech to the people that are friends of yours and David's family when they repeatedly go in these same posts and smear Leppert? With all due respect it would seem to me that they are doing just as much damage by fanning the flames and keeping this war of words and juvinile name calling going as the people that are writing nasty things about David.
seanalee

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Apr 30, 2009
 
you must be a teenager, it shows, sure david had no intention of killing anyone but it is clear he had intentions of seriously hurting someone, that is why he is dead because leppert feared for his life? you defend you girl no matter what,( within the pramater of the law ) otherwise someone gets seriously hurt or killed.
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Apr 30, 2009
 
all u r doin' is ruining the case n u don't have much room to talk about teenagers since you r one.nobody wants ur opinion anyway.go back to the sticks with the hillbillies.
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Apr 30, 2009
 
WOW Im ruining the case because I would like to see justice, wow
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WOW
Seanalee

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May 3, 2009
 
I didnt make that last comment? and by the way your just as psycotic as leppert, shooting off the bad temper because im defending someone who's loved? ha. and no wonder your defending him.
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May 3, 2009
 
k,no wonder your defending him.Who?be a little more clear,your message didn't even make sense.not even going to waste anymore time on this site,speaking with any of you losers,that don't know what they are talking about.I'm above you all.sorry you have nothing more productive to do with your time than to sit infront of your computer and talk, argue, about who's right or wrong everyone is entitled to their own opinion but most of us already know David was the victim here.so you people,good luck in your computer games i'll be waiting for some real justice,he'll be arrested soon.Leppert or family you people are sick,homicidal,drug usin' creeps.
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May 3, 2009
 
we love and miss you david we love and miss you david we love and miss you david we love and miss you david we love and miss you david we love and miss you david we love and miss you david.
Seanalee

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May 5, 2009
 
Justice will be served and thats the truth. youll always be rememberd david
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May 6, 2009
 
i just saw an interview with hermans mother, she said davids girlfriend called her right after the shooting and said she crawled through a window, to get into the apartment. is that breaking and entering or just tresspassing? why hasent she been charged yet? Herman and his girlfriend must know someone on the police dept.
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May 7, 2009
 
hmmm lets see didnt pay rent, was evicted legaly broke into the apartment, attacked an innocent man,forceing him to defend himself, no the only victim here is leppert.
just wondering

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hey dumb ass you just stated they were there on a day they werent susposed to be and were useing a window to move, can u say breaking and entering, quit making exceuses for herman he lost his temper and a guy had to defend himself, that is why herman is beneath us

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