Obama’s war on women continues
Sandy

Union, MO

#24 Jan 27, 2013
Sandy

Union, MO

#25 Jan 27, 2013
Oh yeah...Have a nice day!:)

Since: Sep 09

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#27 Jan 28, 2013
anon wrote:
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A little education about the lady who sued and started Roe v Wade.
Abortion proponents who fight to preserve the Roe v. Wade decision rarely acknowledge that the Jane Roe of the lawsuit—Norma McCorvey—is today a fierce opponent of abortion, even to the point of filing a class action suit in 2003 to have Roe v. Wade overturned. In this suit, "Among her 5,437 pages of evidence were affidavits from more than 1,000 women who testified that having an abortion had devastating emotional, physical, and psychological effects on them. Today McCorvey is passionately and publicly committed to undoing the damage she did in her earlier years and ending legalized abortion in America" The Marketing of Evil, Kupelian, p. 210).
Also rarely mentioned is the fact that McCorvey did not seek out an abortion at the start of the legal process that led to Roe v. Wade. In the course of arranging an adoption for her unborn child, her attorney put her in touch with two attorneys who wanted to find a "test case" to establish abortion rights. McCorvey was not some young crusader for reproductive rights; she was a frightened young woman who believed what her lawyers told her. Thankfully, because the legal process took so long, the child she was carrying was born—not aborted—and was put up for adoption. But her lawsuit led to the deaths of millions of other children—a fact she now regrets.
To put it mildly she was used and duped by liberal feminists who wanted a test case for abortion laws.
Even most liberal judges and professors today admit Roe was one of the most poorly written and reasoned decisions ever. Many judges who favored abortion admitted that the decision was poorly thought out and written. I'm providing a link that contains much of that thinking (among abortion supporters).
http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintay...
Many Americans say they favor abortion but when you dig deeper they oppose abortion after the first or second tri-mester. But the pollsters who ask about abort never break it down that way. They just put the question to those surveyed as do you favor or not favor it?
A little infomation for you.

Here is something most people know about .....

The Catholic Church is among America's largest religions. They oppose the use of condoms and the pill because their isms state it blocks conception. They 'very actively' oppose abortion and lobby our Government to ban it for women even of beliefs not of their religion.

Here is something most people do not know about .....

In 2012 in Colorado a 31 year old pregnant woman (pregnant with twins) died in St. Thomas More Hospital, a Catholic hospital. Her husband filed a wrongful death suit.

The Catholic hospital in defense, in court, and it's in court records, claimed ..... are you ready for this ..... they stated an embryo is not a person until it is born alive (takes it's first breath). They, the Catholics, won against the suit under their claim an embryo or fetus is not a baby.

Reporters asked the Catholic Church about this and the Church's response to the question was .....'no comment'.

Since: Sep 09

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#28 Jan 28, 2013
DayStar_ wrote:
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Hi, Jen. Cool. Get 'em.
Hi, K!

I will.
Really

Sioux City, IA

#29 Jan 28, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
The only things done to help women have been by President Obama and the Democrats. Every bill, passed law, bill blocking, and law repeal, which has harmed women has been by the Republicans.
Since the election another Republican has stated we cannot get pregnant from rape. Can you believe that bull?
How about this new one .....
A New Mexico Republican bill would criminalize abortions after rape ..... get this one ..... as 'Tampering With Evidence'.
It would legally require rape victims to carry their pregnancies to term in order to use the fetus as evidence for a rape trial.
The bill would add this as a new section to the law covering tampering with evidence .....
"Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime."
Notice also there is 'no' exclusion for children impregnated by rape or incest, or for pregnancies which could for health reasons endanger the life of the rape victim.
We don't care.

Since: Sep 09

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#30 Jan 28, 2013
Since this has temporarily become about abortion rather than abortion being only one of many different attacks upon us I'll go with this issue for a few posts.

Why don't you take on child abuse, poverty, domestic violence, drug addiction, crime, a hundred other major problems which harm peoples lives? But like most other religious drumbeaters you instead attack women. You want to control our rights to our own bodies, life, and future. The bible and quran is full of that.

From the very beginning of religion there was a need to draw men to it (whichever religion it is), to make it grow in numbers. Even back then they realized what better way to gain men than to offer them women who behave as servants, virtual sex slaves ..... women taught to be that because it's a requirement of the religion. Offer obedient women and men will come and join. Some such as the FLDS even offered multiple teen and child wives.

Religions still seek that ..... control over us. You control a woman's reproductive rights and it's easy to keep her in the home waiting hand and foot on the man.

If you really wish to do something really great for the world ..... seek to rid religion of the harmful aspects of it. Because it's done nothing but subjugate people and cause wars. Some aren't too bad, but the two largest are also the two most dangerous, Islam and Christianity.

Both seek subjugation of women.

If you really wish to help women ..... just leave us alone.

Since: Sep 09

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#31 Jan 28, 2013
Really wrote:
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We don't care.
I know. That's what lost the Republicans the last two elections.

Since: Sep 09

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#32 Jan 28, 2013
Where I mentioned it use to be illegal to sell or give birth control pills to single women ..... If you don't think this is the type thing religious extremists want then why is there another movement to give states the power to select to ban birth control pills? Not abortion, but ban birth control pills. Ex-presidential candidate Rick Santorum is one of them. Here's a statement he made why he supports giving states that authority .....

"I think it's harmful to women. I think it's harmful to our society to have a society that says that sex outside of marriage is something that should be encouraged or tolerated, particularly among the young. And I think we've very, very harmful long-term consequences to our society. Birth control to me enables that, and I don't think it's a healthy thing for our country."

Also remember all the yelling by the Republicans over insurance companies covering the pill? Did they yell about men's viagra being covered (which it has been for a long time)?

So this goes well beyond only abortion.
Sandy

Union, MO

#33 Jan 28, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
Where I mentioned it use to be illegal to sell or give birth control pills to single women ..... If you don't think this is the type thing religious extremists want then why is there another movement to give states the power to select to ban birth control pills? Not abortion, but ban birth control pills. Ex-presidential candidate Rick Santorum is one of them. Here's a statement he made why he supports giving states that authority .....
"I think it's harmful to women. I think it's harmful to our society to have a society that says that sex outside of marriage is something that should be encouraged or tolerated, particularly among the young. And I think we've very, very harmful long-term consequences to our society. Birth control to me enables that, and I don't think it's a healthy thing for our country."
Also remember all the yelling by the Republicans over insurance companies covering the pill? Did they yell about men's viagra being covered (which it has been for a long time)?
So this goes well beyond only abortion.
CUNTservatives want to deregulate Wall street and micro manage our vagina's.
God fearing woman

Santa Barbara, CA

#34 Jan 28, 2013
jenny i feel so sad for you you really need to find God.

Since: Sep 09

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#35 Jan 28, 2013
God fearing woman wrote:
jenny i feel so sad for you you really need to find God.
In my area we have a lot of holiness churches. That means I would have to wear long skirts and not cut my hair ..... an American version of a burka. They also preach a rule that women must be obedient to their husbands and he is the head of the household. We also have a catholic church and a couple southern baptist churches. I, only because I'm a woman, am banned in both from being a preacher or bishop. Which should I choose?
Sandy

Union, MO

#36 Jan 28, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
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In my area we have a lot of holiness churches. That means I would have to wear long skirts and not cut my hair ..... an American version of a burka. They also preach a rule that women must be obedient to their husbands and he is the head of the household. We also have a catholic church and a couple southern baptist churches. I, only because I'm a woman, am banned in both from being a preacher or bishop. Which should I choose?
None of the above! If you are looking for a denomination that will accept you based on sex alone then maybe you are choosing the wrong beliefs entirely!

Since: Sep 09

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#37 Jan 28, 2013
Sandy wrote:
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None of the above! If you are looking for a denomination that will accept you based on sex alone then maybe you are choosing the wrong beliefs entirely!
Hi.

It's more that there should be no differentiating between men and women. It should not be based upon sex period. But religion is the last large-scale organized institution which still promotes sexism against women. It's keeping it alive and continuing. Taught to young boys, do you think as they grow up it doesn't influence their views of women?

Take the time to read these.

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord."

"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing."

"I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband and he shall rule over thee."

"If a man sells his daughter to be a slave..."

"Now kill all the male children. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

"For a man is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head."

“Go, lie in wait in the vineyards, and watch; and just when the daughters of Shiloh come out to perform their dances, then come out from the vineyards, and every man catch a wife for himself from the daughters of Shiloh; then go to the land of Benjamin."

The last one is the kidnapping of young women for purposes of forced marriage. It was one of Moses orders to his soldiers. After kidnapping them his soldiers fled to the land of Benjamin to keep the townspeople from attempting to rescue the girls.

The above is only some of what is in the Bible.

How about the 'obey' part of the bride's vow in the traditional wedding ceremony? Is there a part where the groom makes a vow to obey the wife?
Really

Sioux City, IA

#38 Jan 28, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
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I know. That's what lost the Republicans the last two elections.
I'm fairly certain that it doesn't matter who wins, but if it makes you feel better about it....

Since: Sep 09

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#39 Jan 28, 2013
The parts I listed, young boys pick up on things like that. I did when I was twelve. That's the reason I know all those are in the Bible. When I was twelve I was enough into religion I began reading the Bible.

Did you know if a bride was found not to be a virgin on her wedding night the men of the town were to take her in front of her family's home and stone her to death? Nothing was said about a groom not a virgin, just the woman.

What creates a wifebeater? Could it be growing thinking a woman will obey him after marriage and then finding out we are not servants?

Since: Sep 09

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#40 Jan 28, 2013
Really wrote:
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I'm fairly certain that it doesn't matter who wins, but if it makes you feel better about it....
Yes. Seeing the Republicans lose made me feel very good. And thank you for asking.

I guess it could have had something to do with them saying stupid things like this for two whole years .....

“We’ve got real issues to talk about, not the latest bimbo eruption.”
-- Republican Jon Huntsman (2012)

"You could argue that money is more important for men. I think a guy in their first job, maybe because they expect to be a breadwinner someday, may be a little more money-conscious."
-- Republican Governor Scott Walker (2012), on why he repealed Wisconsin's 2009 Equal Pay Enforcement Act.

Btw, we 'can' become pregnant from rape.
good grief

Martin, TN

#41 Jan 29, 2013
Someone needs to take away her xanax.
good grief

Martin, TN

#42 Jan 29, 2013
Maybe someone needs to serve you a helping of biology and shove a spoonful of humanity down your throat before you can sputter your inexperience and ignorance on non common sense, reality and truth....

Here's the chronology of a typical preborn baby's development:

Day 1: all human chromosomes are present.

Day 6: embryo begins implantation in the uterus.

Day 22: heart begins to beat with the child's own blood, often with a different blood type than the mother's.

Week 3: By the end of third week the child's backbone spinal column and nervous system are forming. The liver, kidneys and intestines begin to take shape.

Week 4: By the end of week four the child is ten thousand times larger than the fertilized egg.

Week 5: Eyes, legs, and hands begin to develop.

Week 6: Brain waves can be detected.

So, when the baby has all these things--a heartbeat, his or her own blood supply, measurable brain waves, and a visibly human form--at this point would not basic decency and humanity demand that we as a society say to mothers that aborting their child is no longer an option, provided there has been no rape or incest and there's no risk of endangerment?

Some sources:

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/f...velopm...

http://www.abort73.com/abortion/medical_testi...

http://www.abort73.com/abortion/prenatal_deve...

http://www.gerber.com/AllStages/Grow...pregna...

((( Oh by the way, Sandy is a 'he'- He's posing as 'LARRY TCG' over in the bash Sarah Palin thread.)))

Before I get going, there's a religious nut that seems to run along the lines of you with your anti-religious ramblings. Her name is 'LIVING BY FAITH'. You two should get together and stop annoying the rest of us with these long winded lessons you think you are appointed to teach us!! Just sayin...

“With Attitude”

Since: Jan 12

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#43 Jan 29, 2013
good grief wrote:
Maybe someone needs to serve you a helping of biology and shove a spoonful of humanity down your throat before you can sputter your inexperience and ignorance on non common sense, reality and truth....
Here's the chronology of a typical preborn baby's development:
Day 1: all human chromosomes are present.
Day 6: embryo begins implantation in the uterus.
Day 22: heart begins to beat with the child's own blood, often with a different blood type than the mother's.
Week 3: By the end of third week the child's backbone spinal column and nervous system are forming. The liver, kidneys and intestines begin to take shape.
Week 4: By the end of week four the child is ten thousand times larger than the fertilized egg.
Week 5: Eyes, legs, and hands begin to develop.
Week 6: Brain waves can be detected.
So, when the baby has all these things--a heartbeat, his or her own blood supply, measurable brain waves, and a visibly human form--at this point would not basic decency and humanity demand that we as a society say to mothers that aborting their child is no longer an option, provided there has been no rape or incest and there's no risk of endangerment?
Some sources:
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/f...velopm...
http://www.abort73.com/abortion/medical_testi...
http://www.abort73.com/abortion/prenatal_deve...
http://www.gerber.com/AllStages/Grow...pregna...
((( Oh by the way, Sandy is a 'he'- He's posing as 'LARRY TCG' over in the bash Sarah Palin thread.)))
Before I get going, there's a religious nut that seems to run along the lines of you with your anti-religious ramblings. Her name is 'LIVING BY FAITH'. You two should get together and stop annoying the rest of us with these long winded lessons you think you are appointed to teach us!! Just sayin...
It looks like according to the catholic church if money's involved it's not a baby until it's born. See post 27. It's only a baby if it's for taking away women's right to decide for ourselves.

“With Attitude”

Since: Jan 12

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#44 Jan 29, 2013
Why do church people try to justify their doctrines in their own minds by trying to force other people to believe in it?

Jen's right about a lot of different religions using controlling women as a rally yell. Look at the history of them. Women have always bore the blunt of them.

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