#41 Mar 21, 2013
So yes, the Senate could pass a budget resolution, but without the cooperation of the house or 60 votes in the Senate, that resolution would not take effect; it would be an empty gesture. The fact that the House managed to pass a budget last year, including a major overhaul of Medicare, reflects its different rules that allow it to deem the budget resolution to have taken effect. But it didn't ultimately matter: the provisions in its budget, including the Medicare changes, were not binding on the Senate.
So the Senate can pass a resolution with only a majority vote. However, the resolution does not take effect when the Senate passes it. It takes effect in one of two ways: if the House and Senate pass an identical resolution, usually in the form of a conference report; or if the Senate passes a separate Senate Resolution (as opposed to a concurrent resolution, which is what a budget resolution is) that says the House is “deemed” to have agreed to the budget resolution passed by the Senate.
But there are no special procedures for the simple Senate Resolution required by this second,“deeming” process, so it is subject to the unlimited debate allowed on almost everything in the Senate. If you do not have the support of 60 Senators to invoke cloture and end a filibuster, or prevent a filibuster from even starting (because everyone knows 60 Senators support cloture), you cannot pass such a deeming resolution in the Senate.
So you see it is subject to fillibuster at required step two. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Stop listening to Repuglican b.s. We both know no Senate majority budget is going through without republican support--which they refuse to give. Check and mate. Does anyone think there will be a reconciliation with the Ryan budget????????
#43 Mar 21, 2013
Well the democrats got the budget out of committee to the floor. It was close with all republicans voting against it.Cleared by one vote. Got to the Senate; passed with 10 republicans joining the 53 democrats for super majority. Reconcilition is doubtful. Ryan and Repubs want to bring on a severe recession with austerity measures that have not worked in other countries like Britain. so we shall see. Still think that Republicans insistance on cutting social security or medicare is dead wrong.Only governement program funded by worker contributions and they renege on the promise.Republicans say,"Cut what I want cut and leave the oil subsidies,corporate loopholes, etc for the big companies and the rich--and I mean rich--multi millionaires and billionaires."
#44 Mar 22, 2013
As always making excuses. Harry Reid doesn't want a budget to pass b/c it will show that he & his Democratic buddies don't want to reform entitlements or reduce spending. They have said point blank that they don't think we have a spending problem!
Over 16 TRILLION in debt (and growing at ONE TRILLION a year, not counting Social Security & Medicare) & Democrats ignore & dismiss the idea of a spending problem.
You may not like the House budget, and it's not perfect, but pass something Democrats! And why oh why doesn't your hero Obama propose a budget?
Oh, that's right, he doesn't think we have a spending problem either. He is just hoping to get out of office and dump the problem on somebody else. Then he'll write another stupid book, vacation on the taxpayers & golf with his rich Hollywood friends.
#45 Mar 22, 2013
They passed a budget in the Senate. I guess you didn't know that and didnt READ MY POST DIRECTLY ABOVE.It is bad policy and harmful to the recovery to make draconian cuts in a recession. You cannot grasp that.And you dont cut medicare and social security either, Have a nice life;your mind is made up so goodbye.
#46 Mar 23, 2013
The Senate FINALLY passed a budget TODAY (which as CNBC accurately notes is their FIRST IN 4 YEARS!). The article (not Fox News, but a part of MSNBC) notes that they barely trim spending and still leave the USA with a deficit problem.
Your posts were made before the Senate passed their budget Saturday (today). There are no "draconian cuts" b/c as the CNBC article notes the budget barely reduces the INCREASE in sending.
No budget actually CUTS spending. It merely slows the GROWTH of spending. If you gave your child an allowance increase from $10 to $15, even though you had promised them $20, would you consider that a CUT? No, it's merely a slowing of the planned increase. The child's allowance still went UP!
So your child wouldn't have suffered a "draconian cut". Merely a smaller increase than originally planned. That is the same thing with this and other budgets. None, from either party really cuts spending. In fact, the Democrats still say we don't have a spending problem.
#47 Mar 24, 2013
Budget Chairman Paul Ryan shows true colors saying at a news conference last week that Republicans are “not going to give up on destroying the health care system for the American people.”...“Nonetheless, House Democrats will continue fighting for a balanced plan that protects Medicare, creates jobs, grows the economy, strengthens the middle class and responsibly reduces the deficit.” What you cut is more important than the total amount of the cuts...Republicans have seized on the debt crisis they created with $11 trillion in debt before the Wall Street financial crisis to rob the American people of basics for survival in favor of corporate tax loopholes,off shore and foreign out sourcing,low wages, high corp. profits,billionaire tax cuts,oil subsidies, corporate bailouts and reductions in social security and medicare. Workers unite!!!!!234
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