OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, Sta...

OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

Created by CitizenTopix on Oct 11, 2010

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“Nothing Is Free In This World”

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#41 Oct 13, 2010
pappy wrote:
Hi Confused, I sure believe yoou are confused. the lawyers make very little difference in health care cost. Do you really know the cost ? It is less that 4 pecent. Now if you want health care, try and get it if you have a previos health problem or get sich , good way to have no insurance. the company just says no. Run up a high bill and you just might run out of benefits as you have reached the limitations of you health insurance. byBy insurance. Where as Obama care has put an end to a cap on health insurance as of sept 23,2010. And there is a clause in Obama care as you call it and many others. Also an insurance company can no longer turn down a baby with autism. A family's child can stay on the family insurance plan till the age of 26. By the way that clause in Obama care states a pwerson will not be penalized or jailed or taxed if they choose not to have health insurance. And it you already have health care you do not have to quit your health care plan. So what are you worried about. As for the leagal systenm so far the courts have sided with Obama care and said it is constitutional-- it willl go to the supreme court eventually and we shall find out wont we if it is constitutional after and if it is taken to the supreme cpourt. Till then it is still leagal as the just said so.
Pappy,

Well, that was nice bullet point arguments, once again who is going to pay for Obama Care? Do you feel that being charged for someone else's services is Constitutional? I am sure you think activist judges uphold the Constitution too, like Prop 8 in California, where the whole state voted against a bill and 1 activist judge overturned the vote? Lawsuits do make health care costs rise dramatically, when surgeons have to carry $500,000,000.00 worth of professional liability insurance and general practitioners $5,000,000.00 policies, yeah it costs money. Since some lawyer is waiting to sue everyone of them for malpractice.

Now, how many lawsuits do you see on television suing pharmaceutical companies, that's why it takes over 1 billion dollars to bring a new drug to market, I suppose you think that is free too?

As for children being covered, my son was covered prior to being born, yes, under my insurance policy, by my insurance company.

Caps on coverage, what do you think the government will cover, have you taken a look at European Nationalized Health Care? Not to mention they're broke, however; if you're old and not economically feasible, you die, have a nice day. No, I am not confused, since this type of government health care has not worked anywhere else in the world.

While I agree that there should be some changes, however; I don't agree with destroying the whole system for a small amount of people.

And once again, who will pay for it? Where else has it worked?

What are you going to do, when there are no caps on coverage, however; there is rationing of care and you wait 6 months for a surgery? What happens then, genius? At least with insurance I have 2 million dollars worth of coverage and me and my doctor make decisions about MY life and death, instead of a bureaucrat commitee that neither knows my condition, nor cares whether I live or die. So, should I be willing to pay your part, be forced into a system that WILL ration MY health care and have politician decide MY fate, just so your kid can stay on your policy until 26 and there is no caps on coverage?

As for children born with disease, there is a lot of charities willing to help and once again, my son was covered by our insurance prior to being born, so I have a hard time buying that on too. To argue your next point, if I have a child born with autism, I will deal with it and not expect the government that is funded by tax dollars to bankroll me for the rest of my life. That's called life and for your information it is not fair and not equal either? Wake up, this is not a Utopia.....
BEAR

United States

#42 Oct 13, 2010
hi he wrote:
all social necessities should be noprofit period,no for profit schools,jails,hospitals,utilit ys ect.
This conversation went over your head. I was only talking about when people say the government is forcing you to pay for car insurance or taxes.If you don't want to pay for all of that don't work or buy a car your not forced to pay for anything. For the first time the government (democrats) voted in law that your forced to buy a product even if your unemployed you will pay for health insurance, pay a fine or be put in jail.
pgm

United States

#43 Oct 15, 2010
Herm3x wrote:
Yep..we can vote **YES** on the Oklahoma Health Care Freedom Amendment and the Okla taxpayers will continue to pay for those who do not have health insurance like we did during the Bush yrs....Or, we can vote**NO** and let Obamacare pay for it????
no more free health care for life that the senators and congressman get for a few yrs of work.Its time they pay into the social security,No pensions for life after they leave office,for 4 years of work,no more giving their selves bonus's when they want.This type of job they have is to help the american people.

“Better days”

Since: Jan 09

Poteau, OK

#44 Oct 15, 2010
pgm wrote:
<quoted text>no more free health care for life that the senators and congressman get for a few yrs of work.Its time they pay into the social security,No pensions for life after they leave office,for 4 years of work,no more giving their selves bonus's when they want.This type of job they have is to help the american people.
Why don't we see more of these less divisive issues on the ballots? I think most Americans could get behind this.
pgm

United States

#45 Oct 15, 2010
Left Hooverville wrote:
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Why don't we see more of these less divisive issues on the ballots? I think most Americans could get behind this.
[email protected] resistinggreendragon.org Its time to stop george soros.
Hokie Pokie Trupper

United States

#46 Oct 15, 2010
Once we get rid of this obama care which is a federal law that comes before state law. We than can get rid of federal income taxes, that fica tax, the federal tax on gasoline. I can hardly wait.

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

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#47 Oct 15, 2010
I have a good question. If you could opt out of Social Security or Nationalized Health Care tomorrow and keep your money, would you abandon Social Security & Obama Care?

That is always a great question for all you liberal idiots that think social programs are good for everyone, give me a damn choice, a damn personal choice and see how many welfare, social security, section 8, bullshit programs we have left? That way, all you liberal idiots can support the bullshit programs that you champion. Then you can have your programs and pay for the bullshit, instead of laying on your liberal asses, expecting me and every other stiff that wakes up at 4 o' clock every morning, to go work and make a living for your family.

That's what is wrong now days, everyone wants a hand - out. I usually go through about 10 - 15 people before I can hire someone or settle for inferior labor at an inflated price, because of "the government will take care of me" attitude. However; I should be happy, when I have to support all the bum bastards, it is WRONG, period.

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#48 Oct 15, 2010
Glad to see vote is going against this Question. Obama fulfilled his mandate on healthcare. There is choice built into plan. It is now federal law which is superior to any amendment brought by Oklahoma.

Approve 756 and get ready for the Federal lawsuits against Oklahoma costing taxpayers millions of dollars, only for state to lose.
Tina

United States

#49 Oct 15, 2010
Everytime a publician loses, an angle get its wings.

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#50 Oct 15, 2010
WMCOL wrote:
Glad to see vote is going against this Question. Obama fulfilled his mandate on healthcare. There is choice built into plan. It is now federal law which is superior to any amendment brought by Oklahoma.
Approve 756 and get ready for the Federal lawsuits against Oklahoma costing taxpayers millions of dollars, only for state to lose.
I suppose you support Obama's mandate, eh? Where is the choice, to which you're referring? Oh wait, I have a choice, once I am forced to participate, yeah, you're an idiot.

Who cares what the lawsuits cost, Obama can ring up 5 trillion dollars of debt passing all his social benefits programs, what's a couple more million?

When will everyone understand the original concept of states having power and the federal government having limited power?

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#51 Oct 16, 2010
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
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I suppose you support Obama's mandate, eh? Where is the choice, to which you're referring? Oh wait, I have a choice, once I am forced to participate, yeah, you're an idiot.
Who cares what the lawsuits cost, Obama can ring up 5 trillion dollars of debt passing all his social benefits programs, what's a couple more million?
When will everyone understand the original concept of states having power and the federal government having limited power?
Republicans are hypocrites on states rights, just like on everything else. Where were thay on states rights in Florida when they were stealing an election. At the US Supreme Court.

Republicans don't care about states rights, human rights, civil rights, or any other rights that don't keep the pockets of their elite stuffed and in power.

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#52 Oct 16, 2010
Obama plan allows one to keep the insurance they have if they want to, but they must be insured. Just like a driver needs a license to drive, a person who participates in living must be insured. Difference is the insured has a choice in the insurance.

“Better days”

Since: Jan 09

Poteau, OK

#53 Oct 16, 2010
Right on WMCOL.
Libby

Erick, OK

#54 Oct 16, 2010
pffft wrote:
No government at ANY level should be able to force a citizen to buy something they DONT want. I dont give flip about any of the constitutional issues, this is common sense that plainly spells out BS!!!! Any person that is happy to live in the US because of the freedom they deserve should absolutely refuse to cooperate in any way with this act of tyranny.
If you read any of the other replies, you'd see the logic in voting "NO" to opting out as this state has so many poor people who have no other way of obtaining medical care because they don't have insurance. Jobs are not there so people can't obtain insurance through employers and the possibility for job growth in Oklahoma is poor unless monumental changes are made in the way this state does business.

This is a POOR state; we're at or near the bottom of the list in just about every category! One exception to that is the pay scale for our congress--it's higher than any of the surrounding states!

The Health Care Bill will save money for Americans in the long run. Oklahomans who have jobs have been paying, are now paying, and will continue to pay hugh sums of hard-earned money for all those people who get sick and go to emergency rooms because they don't have insurance! No, it's not a perfect bill--few are--but modifications will be made over time. But, if you prefer tyranny by the insurance companies, then, by all means, vote your will.

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

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#55 Oct 16, 2010
Libby wrote:
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If you read any of the other replies, you'd see the logic in voting "NO" to opting out as this state has so many poor people who have no other way of obtaining medical care because they don't have insurance. Jobs are not there so people can't obtain insurance through employers and the possibility for job growth in Oklahoma is poor unless monumental changes are made in the way this state does business.
This is a POOR state; we're at or near the bottom of the list in just about every category! One exception to that is the pay scale for our congress--it's higher than any of the surrounding states!
The Health Care Bill will save money for Americans in the long run. Oklahomans who have jobs have been paying, are now paying, and will continue to pay hugh sums of hard-earned money for all those people who get sick and go to emergency rooms because they don't have insurance! No, it's not a perfect bill--few are--but modifications will be made over time. But, if you prefer tyranny by the insurance companies, then, by all means, vote your will.
I used to live in Oklahoma and moved the hell out because the unemployment was 13% and didn't seem to be going down. So, that is an excuse to make me pay huge taxes to support people that don't have enough sense to move? By the way, most of my family still lives in Oklahoma and seem to do just fine, including paying for their own insurance. So, don't preach to me about, "that is the only way for people to insure themselves". The interesting thing is all the miscellaneous things that the people to which you refer, have, such as cable television, cell phones, Play Stations, beer and cigarettes, however; they say they can't afford health insurance. It all comes down to what is important and unfortunately, most people wait until their sick to start planning for a rainy day.

In summary, don't force a law on me, when medical care is already available to the indigent and poor. I'm sorry, I am not so compassionate that I like being forced by a tyrannical, out of control, socialist government to purchase something that I don't want, since it doesn't make sense to me. Once again all you liberal idiots think it's great, however; you never answer the obvious:

WHO IN THE HELL IS GOING TO PAY FOR OBAMA CARE?

NONE OF YOU PEOPLE THAT AGREE WITH IT, HAVE ANSWERED THE QUESTION. YOU THINK IT'S GREAT, BECAUSE YOU MAKE EXCUSES, SUCH AS THE STATE YOU LIVE IN, TO GARNER A FREE PASS AND EXPECT ME TO PAY YOUR WAY. WHY DON'T YOU MOVE 600 MILES AWAY, LIKE I DID, GO TO COLLEGE, LIKE I DID, GET A DECENT JOB, LIKE I DID, TRY TO MAKE A DECENT LIVING, LIKE I DO AND THEN TELL ME YOU WANT TO GIVE UP 80% OF YOUR MONEY, BECAUSE SOME LAZY, UNMOTIVATED, LIBERAL, LOOKING FOR A HAND - OUT THINKS IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO HOME AND CAN'T GET FOOD, GO TO HOMELESS SHELTERS AND SOUP LINES, PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD INSURANCE, GO TO EMERGENCY ROOMS. THEY'RE ENTITLED TO MEDICARE AND MEDICAID AND PEOPLE THAT BUY INSURANCE PAY FOR IT, WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH THAT? I DON'T SEE YOU LOBBYING TO BUILD HOMELESS PEOPLE HOUSES OR BETTER YET, OFFERING TO LET THEM MOVE IN WITH YOU, SAME PRINCIPLE, SAME CONCEPT. PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE A CAR, LET THEM HAVE YOUR CAR, SAME CONCEPT ISN'T IT?

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, CHANGE YOUR LIFE AND QUIT, BITCHING AND MOANING ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE. NEXT THING YOU'LL WANT IS A HOUSE, CAR, AND FREE VACATIONS ALL ON MY DIME.
Zan

United States

#56 Oct 16, 2010
Who pays for The ER when the patient cannot? The taxpayer? Who pays for sooner care? Taxpayer?

I have a so-called pre existing condition and cannot get medicial insurance through the company without sighning a wavier and paying almost half of my weekly salary for the insurance.
Omama care requires the insuranced companies to insure all people regardless of preexisting conditions.

Let face it folks, the people who are against this obama insurance is the one who do not give a flip about their neighbors, or anyone else.

Typicial republician, I got mine, screw you, and if you get sick, die quickly, elsewhere.

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

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#58 Oct 16, 2010
WTF wrote:
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So I went to college, got a job, still have a job. Pat my own way, have never been on public assistance and yet I do not have any problem helping out the less fortunate than I. None. I make a GREAT living. Easily make twice what most people I know do, so does my husband. Who the hell is paying 80% of their income to anyone else?? Churches have no problem asking (nearly requiring) 10% of income just to belong. I want nothing on your dime. Not a damn thing. I can and do pay my own way but if the time comes do I give a shit to pay a little extra so that my neighbor can get her cancer taken care of or my friends child can get theirs taken care of??? NO I don't mind at all. Yes, it will take tax dollars. Yes it is us working folks who will pay for it. But at the end of the day it is the RIGHT THING TO DO!! If you get cancer today, it will bankrupt you. Talk to someone who has had to endure long term illness who literally CAN't work. That is who this is for. This is for the parents of a sick child who want to be with their kid while getting treated. It isn't all about you and yours, there is a bigger picture here and it is SAD SAD SAD that people can only see themselves in all of this.
Once again, I don't mind donating, however; that is my choice to do. Obama Care does not allow me the choice. Unless you haven't taken time to do the math, most people pay around 50% in taxes now. You don't think you do, like most liberals, however; add up what you pay every week, the land taxes that you pay, car tags, the the 8%- 10% tax on everything you buy, then the 26% tax on gasoline, yeah, works out to be about 46%. Now, comes along Obama Care, do the math, you'll pay about 75%- 80% taxes, when it's all done. Oh, and by the way, the luxury that you have gotten used to via the Mean Old Insurance Companies will be long gone with long lines, rationed care and crappy doctors.

Do a little research on Canada's and Europe's socialized medicine, once again they suck and they are both broke.

As for a Church taking 10%, don't go to that church. You liberals always bring up stupid, ridiculous arguments. The Right Thing To Do, says you, if I get cancer, I'll deal with it like any adult would, I wouldn't be on your door step, expecting you to pay my way.

I should see myself in this argument and should only see myself, since freedom grants me the benefit to do just that, however; the tyranny, that is called Obama Care prevents me the freedom and liberty granted by the Constitution to do just that. So, genius liberal, that is the real reasoning behind my argument, it's called choice, which I no longer have, due to liberal thinking and poor policy.

Once again, who will pay for this additional governement entitlement program? Additionally, what gives the government the right to force me into buying this crap? Don't tell me that I have a choice, either, just answer the questions that I have been asking all along, instead of telling me to support everyone else, because it is the right thing.

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

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#59 Oct 16, 2010
Zan wrote:
Who pays for The ER when the patient cannot? The taxpayer? Who pays for sooner care? Taxpayer?
I have a so-called pre existing condition and cannot get medicial insurance through the company without sighning a wavier and paying almost half of my weekly salary for the insurance.
Omama care requires the insuranced companies to insure all people regardless of preexisting conditions.
Let face it folks, the people who are against this obama insurance is the one who do not give a flip about their neighbors, or anyone else.
Typicial republician, I got mine, screw you, and if you get sick, die quickly, elsewhere.
Once again, answer my questions, take all the emotion like, when I get sick and my neighbor out of it and tell me who will pay for Obama Care and where is it Constitutional? Yeah, like a good little Republican, that's me, not wanting to pay two thirds of my earnings, to pay for my neighbor. If I want to help my neighbor, that should be my choice, instead of being forced into paying for you or anyone else for that matter.

“Better days”

Since: Jan 09

Poteau, OK

#60 Oct 16, 2010
ConfusedByRhetoric is mentally retarded but very entertaining.

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#61 Oct 17, 2010
Left Hooverville wrote:
ConfusedByRhetoric is mentally retarded but very entertaining.
Specify something in my mental retardation that doesn't make sense and answer my two questions. That's what I thought, retarded is falling in line with a Socialist Agenda, because it is the right thing.

How can I expect a liberal to answer anything sensible, maybe I am retarded, expecting a logical answer from a liberal? Well, when we're all broke, unemployed and the government all controls us, I suppose you mental superstars will have your Utopia?

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