OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, Sta...

OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

Created by CitizenTopix on Oct 11, 2010

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Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#34486 Nov 27, 2012
Jesse wrote:
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Whata joke woman! If you insure MILLIONS that weren't insured before so YES ObamaCare is making us pay something we didn't have to pay for before. It also requires migrant workers/families to be covered which is people working here that may or may not be legal in this country but the LAW DOES NOT ALLOW FOR MEDICAL STAFF TO ASK LEGAL STATUS OF INDIVIDUAL IN FACT ITS AGAINST THE LAW FOR THEM TO ASK!
Jesse, now... you are telling me that people that were on welfare during Bush II's reign of power didn't have their healthcare paid for by the government and therefore the tax payer? Because it was welfare level as I plainly stated in my post that I was talking about there.

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#34487 Nov 27, 2012
Jesse wrote:
Some estimates claim we have over 20+ million illegals in the U.S.A. Think that will change the quality of our healthcare for those of us who pay?
Get ready to stand in line and take a number!
Here, the healthcare system is one of the many checks in the system which keeps illegals out of the country. Illegals here cannot get insurance, therefore cannot get healthcare. A healthcare system COULD be used to correct the problems.. but first laws are going to have to changed in the area of illegals at it's basic structure.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34488 Nov 27, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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>>> Many of these people are waiting to see how Obamacare affect what they have now.<<<
Yep, and they will likely choose the coverage that offers the best care and is most affordable for them.
I am sure they will.
I know of another group of people that is worried about how Obamacare will affect them. People that have serious illness that are not cureable and ones that have been managed by the healthcare they have received up to date. Like I said I hope the promise that Pres. Obama and obamacare has made to the American people is actual!
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34489 Nov 27, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
Thank goodness Obama is giving individuals and families more options in healthcare prices and coverage. Something to sing joyously about Tamara.
Like I said I am hoping it all works out for everyone and quality of health gets better and not get worse. But time will be the true test!
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34490 Nov 27, 2012
OkieAbroad wrote:
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Ok, if it works that way, then we are talking about a government subsidized HI that is secondary to a government subsidized primary insurance through the employer? Both would be paid to one extent or the other by the government. Correct? My thoughts here are, is this a viable solution? The point of National Healthcare would be to keep costs as low as possible for the individual, employer, and government. Otherwise it won't work. Also, if everyone isn't paying into the system... it will not last long.
Government is only subsidizing in helping people in certain wage brackets pay their ins. premiums. The government is not the healthcare provider. It all goes throught private health insurance companies. The only health insurance the government actually provides is Medicaid. Even with people paying into Medicare the government is responsible in paying medical bills filed with Medicare.

Since: Apr 10

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#34491 Nov 27, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>I am sure they will.
I know of another group of people that is worried about how Obamacare will affect them. People that have serious illness that are not cureable and ones that have been managed by the healthcare they have received up to date. Like I said I hope the promise that Pres. Obama and obamacare has made to the American people is actual!
Come on now. You're an Okie. You know people that are worried that Obama is going to declare a dictator ship and declare martial law. So what?

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#34492 Nov 27, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Government is only subsidizing in helping people in certain wage brackets pay their ins. premiums. The government is not the healthcare provider. It all goes throught private health insurance companies. The only health insurance the government actually provides is Medicaid. Even with people paying into Medicare the government is responsible in paying medical bills filed with Medicare.
"Government is only subsidizing in helping people in certain wage brackets pay their ins. premiums. The government is not the healthcare provider. It all goes throught private health insurance companies."
Yes, I understand that, it works the same way here through private insurance companies.. as I've posted to your before we also don't have a government healthcare provider. But the government will not only subsidize lower income levels but also companies to pay the insurance for their employee's. That sounds like a whole lot of subsidizing to me.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34493 Nov 27, 2012
DustyOutlaw wrote:
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Come on now. You're an Okie. You know people that are worried that Obama is going to declare a dictator ship and declare martial law. So what?
Go suck on a dill pickle! It will help you feel better!
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34494 Nov 27, 2012
OkieAbroad wrote:
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"Government is only subsidizing in helping people in certain wage brackets pay their ins. premiums. The government is not the healthcare provider. It all goes throught private health insurance companies."
Yes, I understand that, it works the same way here through private insurance companies.. as I've posted to your before we also don't have a government healthcare provider. But the government will not only subsidize lower income levels but also companies to pay the insurance for their employee's. That sounds like a whole lot of subsidizing to me.
I am not sure what the governments role will be with companies being helped to pay for their employees health ins. But the way you put it it is a whole lot of subsidizing going on. Next question how is all this subsidizing going to be paid for? My answer would be greater taxes on the working class people. Could be wrong!

Since: Apr 10

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#34495 Nov 27, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Go suck on a dill pickle! It will help you feel better!
Hebrew National makes excellent pickles. But I prefer Olives. So how's seceding from the Union coming along?

Since: Jul 10

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#34496 Nov 27, 2012
DustyOutlaw wrote:
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Hebrew National makes excellent pickles. But I prefer Olives. So how's seceding from the Union coming along?
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She sounds like she is ready to sign petition.

One thing for sure, she is NEVER gonna give Obama the benefit of any doubt.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34497 Nov 27, 2012
DustyOutlaw wrote:
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Hebrew National makes excellent pickles. But I prefer Olives. So how's seceding from the Union coming along?
We are not going any where! Just a few crazies blowing bubbles. Would not want to make your day!

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#34498 Nov 27, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>I am not sure what the governments role will be with companies being helped to pay for their employees health ins. But the way you put it it is a whole lot of subsidizing going on. Next question how is all this subsidizing going to be paid for? My answer would be greater taxes on the working class people. Could be wrong!
Don't take my word for it, look at the link you sent me yourself. I'm talking about tax breaks given to companies which you can find on that site.
Higher taxes for healthcare would be a given. It has to be paid for after all.
The Dutch healthcare system works, because it's strictly regulated and enforced. There are many pit falls in this with the current American system as is now.

I hope it works. I'd like to see it work. But I think many things will have to change to make it work. It should be interesting at the very least.:)
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34499 Nov 27, 2012
OkieAbroad wrote:
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Don't take my word for it, look at the link you sent me yourself. I'm talking about tax breaks given to companies which you can find on that site.
Higher taxes for healthcare would be a given. It has to be paid for after all.
The Dutch healthcare system works, because it's strictly regulated and enforced. There are many pit falls in this with the current American system as is now.
I hope it works. I'd like to see it work. But I think many things will have to change to make it work. It should be interesting at the very least.:)
I to hope it works out for everyone. I hope people get the care they need and it is quality care. That is my main concern.
Yes it will be interesting and for many scary at the same time. To be honest because this healthcare thing is oh so new of a concept I think the only people realy looking forward to the change is the lower income people. So many have the idea that this will be a free ride. And to some it may be. But I hope the burden of this health care bill falls on more that the working middle class. I really donot think many in this class can take much more.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34500 Nov 27, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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She sounds like she is ready to sign petition.
One thing for sure, she is NEVER gonna give Obama the benefit of any doubt.
If you are talking about me you got that wrong! I am one that it has to be prove that a new concept will work. Just saying so is not good enough for me. That goes for Obamacare, buy an auto, TV and so on. I gave him the benefit of the doubt the first go around but he didnot sell me completely that beside having the talk that he can do the walk.

Since: Jul 10

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#34501 Nov 27, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>If you are talking about me you got that wrong! I am one that it has to be prove that a new concept will work. Just saying so is not good enough for me. That goes for Obamacare, buy an auto, TV and so on. I gave him the benefit of the doubt the first go around but he didnot sell me completely that beside having the talk that he can do the walk.
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You had unrealistic non-human expectations of him and that is not giving him the benefit of any doubt. It is setting a standard no human can achieve. You expected him to cast a spell on an obstructionist GOP Congress, and undo all of the damage that took more than eight-years to create. You expected him to build much quicker than things can be torn down.

Since: Apr 10

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#34502 Nov 27, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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She sounds like she is ready to sign petition.
One thing for sure, she is NEVER gonna give Obama the benefit of any doubt.
You know the Obama adminstration has deported more illegals than Both Bush's and Reagan combined. Does the right give him any credit for that? Nope.

The Obama Administration has ferreted more Medicare and Medicaid fraud by clinics and related people than both Bush's and Reagan combined. Does the right give him any credit for that? Nope.

It is what is. A bunch of low information, poorly educated hicks being HICKS. Idiots. Noodlers. Rednecks. Crackers. Racists and goobers.

Since: Apr 10

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#34503 Nov 27, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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You had unrealistic non-human expectations of him and that is not giving him the benefit of any doubt. It is setting a standard no human can achieve. You expected him to cast a spell on an obstructionist GOP Congress, and undo all of the damage that took more than eight-years to create. You expected him to build much quicker than things can be torn down.
Ever seen a high rise being imploded? Comes down almost instantly. Ever seen the new highrise being built? Years and years to build. Same thing with Bush vs Obama. But the hicks aren't interested in that. That would require thinking. Their politics are limited to GOP =Good Dem = bad. See Spot run.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34504 Nov 27, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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You had unrealistic non-human expectations of him and that is not giving him the benefit of any doubt. It is setting a standard no human can achieve. You expected him to cast a spell on an obstructionist GOP Congress, and undo all of the damage that took more than eight-years to create. You expected him to build much quicker than things can be torn down.
Maybe so.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34505 Nov 27, 2012
DustyOutlaw wrote:
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You know the Obama adminstration has deported more illegals than Both Bush's and Reagan combined. Does the right give him any credit for that? Nope.
The Obama Administration has ferreted more Medicare and Medicaid fraud by clinics and related people than both Bush's and Reagan combined. Does the right give him any credit for that? Nope.
It is what is. A bunch of low information, poorly educated hicks being HICKS. Idiots. Noodlers. Rednecks. Crackers. Racists and goobers.
Do you need another pickle? Maybe you would do better with a lemon!

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