The Exodus Begins in 2013
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United States

#25 Feb 24, 2013
People are moving are out of Dupo because of people like Monya that is a drug addict!
This woman got her own family's children murdered over drugs.
No one wants to live around drug addicts.
opinions

Columbia, IL

#26 Feb 24, 2013
I disagree with your logic Becky. First, to say that their are no good blacks in Cahokia, sounds plenty racist to me. Second, it wasn't the blacks that impacted Cahokia, it was the whites. Those greedy ones, mostly polititians, or more common, polititians family members, that bought those concrete pad houses up by the scores to turn into hud housing. With the help of these political hacks, they destroyed neighborhoods and took their ill made profits with them to Columbia or Waterloo where they now live nicely, while allowing that evil eliment to move next door to their ex nieghbors. As far as Dupo, I have been hearing the horrors of the demise of this town for forty years. It's still safe here. House breakins seem to be worse, but they are everywhere. It seems that the ones that complain about Dupo the most, are uaually the ones that didn't get what they wanted as far as assistance or requests for some kind of assistance. They must blame something else for their failures, so it might as well be the town that refused them. If you are scared, by all means move somewhere else where you feel safe. Good luck. I wish guys like leaving soon would have left long ago. I get tired of hearing their sad sack excuses for failure and blaming Dupo. All they need to do is leave and hope that they will be accepted somewhere else. Good luck with that also.
Brian

Glen Carbon, IL

#27 Feb 24, 2013
Aren't most Cahokia homes HUD one way or another? From what I can tell many were built with VA or FHA loans back in the 50s and 60s during the post WW2 housing boom times generally by National Homes and or its Licensees. They may be HUD section 8 now but none the less they have always been Government handout homes.
The residents of these homes, from early times, always supported the corrupt politicians, the trial lawyer justice system and of course unions. Employers could not deal with the problems caused by the aforementioned and slowly began to pull out of the area taking their jobs and tax base along with them elsewhere.
With the tax base dwindeling and the politicians never ending continuation of the pillaging services dropped and without jobs people could not keep up their homes.
The fortunant few moved on to Columbia and Waterloo. In their place came a new type of resident; the section 8 renter./many communities have seen stark increases in crime, property destruction and general lawlessness when Section 8 arrives. Cahokia is no exception. It is no longer a bustling community with jobs, a good school system and even two religious based schools.
The people themself caused this to happen each and every election day. It was they who voted in the corrupt politicians. The politicians that raised the taxes to fill theor pockets even more, the judges that saw to it employers were sued to no end and the politicians that voted in the programs like section 8. Thus the demise of Cahokia was obviously the will of the people that lived there, after all...they voted for it
opinions

Columbia, IL

#28 Feb 24, 2013
Maybe you should learn the difference between HUD funding and a loan process Brian. FHA loans, even as abused as they were, were just that. Loans to be paid back. I don't get your logic there either brian. As far as elections, the real problem isn't with those that do vote, the problem is with those that don't vote.
Brian

Glen Carbon, IL

#29 Feb 24, 2013
opinions wrote:
Maybe you should learn the difference between HUD funding and a loan process Brian. FHA loans, even as abused as they were, were just that. Loans to be paid back. I don't get your logic there either brian. As far as elections, the real problem isn't with those that do vote, the problem is with those that don't vote.
I think that HUD, FHA etc are all Governmental housing programs that had their roots in the FDR new Deal era. Often the loans had an element of subsidized interest meaning that the Government picked up the tab on part of the interest payments equating them with just another giveaway program. Who can forget for example the FHA 235 plan loans that were instramental during the early demise of Cahokia at a time when the Interstate Highway System was causing the relocation of what were called "low income households" during the days of LBJ's Great Society programs. While they may have been loans, many if not most were not paid back. The so called borrowers were allowed in a house with practically no down payment and as such, from an economic standpoint, had no pride of ownership because they had no economic interest in the property. During this time the LBJ program proponents claimed that people lived a life of crime and poverty because they knew nothing else. This new program was to resettle these people in better areas and then they would become peaceful and crime free like their neighbors. However the exact opposit occured in many areas as the people turned decent middle class neighborhoods into the crime ridden poverty existance that they had left.
Unless I am mistaken, my guess is that LBJ, supported by the Touchette Democrat machine, was heavily supported in his election for President.
How ironic that the people who were damaged the most by his (LBJ) programs were actually the ones that voted for him.
The program was set up for abuse. People would sell at low prices to speculators who, with a bit of paint and glitter, would re-sell at much higher prices with the blessing of a Government subsidized loan. It made no difference to the Government appraisers that the house had been a quick flip. They appraised and approved the higher values routinely because it fit the model of building this so called "great society" that was being implemented. Sadly many that had saved all of their lives hoping for a retirement in apaid off home were faced instead with diminished property values, crime ridden neighborhoods, high property taxes and shattered dreams.
Yes the ones that don't vote are a problem. But by not voting, they are basically voting that they are happy with the status quo. So take the ones that voted with the old time machine along with those that didn't vote because they were happy with the machine and look what happened.
You may not follow my logic, and this board along with my writing skills are not conducive to long explanations but I assure you that I know the difference between hud funding and Government loans. They are both giveaway handouts that prove oover and over again that Governmental social engineering in the housing sector doesn't work. It didn't work at Pruitt-Igoe and it didn't work in Cahokia. It won't work in Dupo either. Dupo actually has a chance, but that's a different paragraph and the people there, like the people of Cahokia of days past, aren't willing to put up an effort to save the place anyway.
superior opinion

Saint Louis, MO

#31 Feb 25, 2013
People from waterloo must be morons.
opinions wrote:
You are right on one thing Brian, I can't follow your logic. Its obvious that you continue your gloom and doom feelings about every subject that you post. Many people paid those loans back, yet you lump everything and everyone together as useless losers. Every city that you post about is sub par, every citizen a deadbeat, but yet, there you sit, above it all. Or are you? I read the many and different comments about you. very few, if any are positive. That's a sad comment concerning your view of the world, and your obvious lack of any positive feeling of life in general. You really don't need to respond. It's obvious that you are set in your thinking that all is lost, and you alone know everything that there is to know about society in general.
Brian

Glen Carbon, IL

#32 Feb 25, 2013
opinions wrote:
You are right on one thing Brian, I can't follow your logic. Its obvious that you continue your gloom and doom feelings about every subject that you post. Many people paid those loans back, yet you lump everything and everyone together as useless losers. Every city that you post about is sub par, every citizen a deadbeat, but yet, there you sit, above it all. Or are you? I read the many and different comments about you. very few, if any are positive. That's a sad comment concerning your view of the world, and your obvious lack of any positive feeling of life in general. You really don't need to respond. It's obvious that you are set in your thinking that all is lost, and you alone know everything that there is to know about society in general.
Ho hum...another American Bottomland loser throwing insults.
Now go eat a White Castle, have a Stag and wonder if your house will be robbed when you get home
Brian

Glen Carbon, IL

#34 Feb 25, 2013
I have seen anger like yours before. It is usually from the ones that did dnot make the exodus soon enough and now are basically bag holders as their property has dropped in value to practically nothing, section 8 renters are next door and you seek out others to project your anger upon instead of blaming yourself for your own predicament.
One can see this in other areas too like East St. Louis, Washington Park, Lansdown, Centreville, Venice, and Madison to name a few.
I'm sorry you didn't move when you should have to protect what you had as an investment in property.
Oh well, one persons junk is anothers treasure; you can always sell out to a section 8 speculator.
Leaving Soon

Waterloo, IL

#35 Feb 25, 2013
Brian, thanks for proving my point. You're an individual with no stake in the argument and yet you continue to blabber on and on. So pathetic little man.
pogo

Saint Louis, MO

#36 Feb 25, 2013
I'm a Dupo lifer.
Just Me and my mom( she is my lover )
Brian

Glen Carbon, IL

#38 Feb 25, 2013
Such jealous people are those mired in the mud while thers have left the mud and climbed the mountain of sucess. I should add one of the best things about living on the bluff is I know that every time I flush my toilet I know where, thanks to gravity, where the refuse is going.
It's almost as if it is raining sh*t on the people in the bottoms. Of course the pogo types have to eat too so send a little bit of sh*t down there is almost a charitable thing
Becky

Millstadt, IL

#39 Feb 26, 2013
I hate to agree with Brian. But he's right. If there was no Hud housing in Cahokia it would of not turned into east St Louis. Just like in Dupo the hud housing behind knj is prof enough that they trash everything they touch.
Leaving Soon

Belleville, IL

#40 Feb 26, 2013
What has been lost in the conversation is the fact that Cahokia School District is folding. They are closing their early childhood learning center after this school year is completed. Next school year there will be NO extra-curriculurs at Wirth Jr High or at Cahokia High School. That includes ALL athletics. Some families are going to move out of Cahokia. Some of them will land in the Dupo school district.
Brian

Glen Carbon, IL

#41 Feb 27, 2013
cahoikia district is a net user of funds meaning the state, or should I say taxpayers from other districts, chip in the money to keep that failing district afloat. Amazingly though the people keep demanding things like sports and extras ehile not paying the taxes to support them.
Want preK,football etc. Good. Open up your wallets and pay for those things and quit expecting others to
Brian

Glen Carbon, IL

#43 Feb 28, 2013
Why would anyone leave Cahokia for Dupo?
The first wave will be the section 8 ers
The second wave will be the blacks
Then the thugs and gangster types
poor brian

Waterloo, IL

#44 Feb 28, 2013
Poor stupid brian.
Truth Police

Waterloo, IL

#45 Mar 1, 2013
So Brain likes to quote how bad the scores of Dupo are so here is the actual breakdown from last school year for those concerned.
On all state performance assessments: Dupo 78.4 and the state average is 76.7 (Dupo higher)
ISAT: Dupo 84.2 and state avg is 82.1 (Dupo higher)
Prairie State: Dupo 46.7 and state avg is 51.3 (Dupo lower)
IAA (tests for those with more severe disabilities):
Dupo 90.3 and state avg is 66.3 (Dupo much higher)
Yes these scores could all be higher, but in all Dupo performs above the state average in most areas. By no means are the scores high, but to say they are terrible is very dishonest.
A comparision to Cahokia was made as well and their scores are as follows:
Overall performance: 61.3 (Dupo much higher 76.7)
ISAT: 68.2 (Dupo much higher 84.2)
Prairie State: 16.2 (Dupo much higher 46.7)
IAA 81.6 (Dupo higher 90.3).
Sorry, but when you go against the uneducated always use facts and you will win.
Brian

Glen Carbon, IL

#46 Mar 1, 2013
Well well. Spoken like a union teacher right before a strike day. Its easy to take an Illinois district that doesn't meet standards and then, by comparing it with other Illinois districts, hoodwink some into believing that the district is doing good. That is because Illinois District averages include Chicagoland, The Amrecian Bottoms and other impoversished areas scattered across the state due to the demise of the mining industry.
How about comparing your district with Columbia, Waterloo or Edwardsville. Maybe comparing with Highland, Collinsville or Ofallon too.
State averages in Illinois are meaningless unless being used by a teacher demanding a raise.
Sorry teach. Your attempt at justifying your overpaid salary doesn't cut it by real world comparisons. It might work at your union meeting but it won't here.
Brian

Glen Carbon, IL

#47 Mar 1, 2013
I did a quick check and Dupo high ranked in the 40%s in each of the fields of science, math and reading on the Prarie State Exams. At the same time Mascoutah for example is in the upper 60s and 70%s. A considerable difference. One can easily see upon the surface someone is throwing around the usual mish mash of statistics to justify what great educators they are.
Typical of what one finds from educators with sub par results throwing some numbers around to make it appear as if they are doing a good job.
Veritas

Belleville, IL

#49 Mar 1, 2013
The test scores are dependent on which grade level was tested. Our students always seem to do well at the 5th grade level. But there is a significant drop off at the 8th grade level and it gets even worse at the 11th grade level. PSAE and ISAT scores are the only ones that count and we are lacking at the Jr and Sr High level.

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