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USMC VET

Fredonia, NY

#106 Apr 11, 2013
Clyde10 wrote:
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The justification for invading Iraq was the presence of WMD's, and Iraq's alleged attempts/willingness to provide those WMD's to terrorist organizations. Iraq had no WMD's. Those are false pretenses, and many of the people you refer to were duped. Ask Colin Powell how he feels about being used by the Administration.
And as far as the "gunny" stuff, I really couldn't care less. I not a member of the veteran's cult on here. You're right or your wrong on issues, regardless of your military status.
Iraq had no WMD's?What the hell happened to all those women,children,and old men that were gassed? Explain that if you will,come on explain it? Of course you aren't a member of the "veterans cult" on here since you wouldn't make a pimple on a Marines ASS,that's why you "couldn't care less" you pussy!!!!!!!!! Join the rest of your followers and cowards who talk shit but have no clue!
Dan T

Fredonia, NY

#107 Apr 11, 2013
stashu gusinski wrote:
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hey numb nuts if Obama is to blame for the security at bengazi then why isn't bush to blame for the faulty intel on Iraq? awaiting you answer.
USMC VET,stop changing the subject and answer the question.
Clyde10

Cleveland, OH

#108 Apr 11, 2013
USMC VET wrote:
<quoted text>Iraq had no WMD's?What the hell happened to all those women,children,and old men that were gassed? Explain that if you will,come on explain it? Of course you aren't a member of the "veterans cult" on here since you wouldn't make a pimple on a Marines ASS,that's why you "couldn't care less" you pussy!!!!!!!!! Join the rest of your followers and cowards who talk shit but have no clue!
I'm not talking shit, I'm just not one who thinks your status as a veteran has any relevance to the validity of your opinions.(Your comments above are further proof of that) You throw your veteran's status and former rank around on here like it some how makes your opinions more valid -- The "veteran's cult" I referred to is those people on here (like Joe) for whom veteran status seems to be the only thing that matters -- even when the person joined out of high school to avoid jail or because they were too dumb to go to college, and never got closer to combat than a stateside motor pool.
Don't try to change history, you know as well as the rest of us that no WMDs were found in the 10 years we spent looking for them after we invaded Iraq. Saddam had dismantled his WMD programs years before we invaded.
Clyde10

Cleveland, OH

#109 Apr 11, 2013
After the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Bush administration formed the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) and tasked it with the job of locating WMD stockpiles in Iraq. The ISG was staffed with hundreds of intelligence analysts and military personnel from the United States, the United Kingdom and Australia. The group scoured Iraq, searching for deposits of weapons. After nearly two years of investigation, the ISG concluded that:

(1) "Saddam Husayn ended the nuclear program in 1991 following the Gulf war. ISG found no evidence to suggest concerted efforts to restart the program."
(2) "While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter."
(3) "In practical terms, with the destruction of the Al Hakam facility, Iraq abandoned its ambition to obtain advanced BW [biological warfare] weapons quickly. ISG found no direct evidence that Iraq, after 1996, had plans for a new BW program or was conducting BW-specific work for military purposes."
Experts from the three nations failed to document any existent biological or nuclear weapons and discovered only a few random chemical weapons. The ISG concluded that Iraq had abandoned attempts to produce WMDs. In his congressional testimony, the head of the ISG, Charles Duelfer, admitted, "We were almost all wrong" on Iraq.
The ISG report was sufficient to convince the Bush administration that there were no WMDs to be found; they called off the search in 2005.
USMC VET

Fredonia, NY

#110 Apr 11, 2013
Clyde10 wrote:
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I'm not talking shit, I'm just not one who thinks your status as a veteran has any relevance to the validity of your opinions.(Your comments above are further proof of that) You throw your veteran's status and former rank around on here like it some how makes your opinions more valid -- The "veteran's cult" I referred to is those people on here (like Joe) for whom veteran status seems to be the only thing that matters -- even when the person joined out of high school to avoid jail or because they were too dumb to go to college, and never got closer to combat than a stateside motor pool.
Don't try to change history, you know as well as the rest of us that no WMDs were found in the 10 years we spent looking for them after we invaded Iraq. Saddam had dismantled his WMD programs years before we invaded.
Now we know what you think of those that serve,reminds me of Jane Fonda. Do you spit on on those that wear the uniform on a regular basis? You are a ungrateful piece of garbage! http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/24/wikilea...
USMC VET

Fredonia, NY

#111 Apr 11, 2013
Heads up gusinski,Dan T,and Clyde 10,get your advance tickets so you can slober all over each other.
Clyde10

Cleveland, OH

#112 Apr 11, 2013
USMC VET wrote:
<quoted text>Now we know what you think of those that serve,reminds me of Jane Fonda. Do you spit on on those that wear the uniform on a regular basis? You are a ungrateful piece of garbage! http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/24/wikilea...
This is such bullshit, and it is exactly what I am talking about -- this notion that anyone who disagrees with a veteran's opinion on anything is unpatriotic. Why not let your opinions and arguments stand or fall on their own weight?
Clyde10

Cleveland, OH

#113 Apr 11, 2013
USMC VET wrote:
<quoted text>Now we know what you think of those that serve,reminds me of Jane Fonda. Do you spit on on those that wear the uniform on a regular basis? You are a ungrateful piece of garbage! http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/24/wikilea...
Did you even read what you linked to? Remnants, leftovers, no evidence of a massive WMD program as the Bush Administration claimed.... From your link:

"An initial glance at the WikiLeaks war logs doesn’t reveal evidence of some massive WMD program by the Saddam Hussein regime — the Bush administration’s most (in)famous rationale for invading Iraq. But chemical weapons, especially, did not vanish from the Iraqi battlefield. Remnants of Saddam’s toxic arsenal, largely destroyed after the Gulf War, remained.

This isn’t exactly vindication of one of the arguments the Bush administration gave for invading Iraq, which was that Hussein had already begun stockpiling new WMDs and was working on nuclear weapons."
Tim

Fredonia, NY

#114 Apr 11, 2013
Paul

Fredonia, NY

#115 Apr 11, 2013
can anyone explain why the President is sending aid to Syria?
Vet

Fredonia, NY

#116 Apr 11, 2013
Clyde10 wrote:
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This is such bullshit, and it is exactly what I am talking about -- this notion that anyone who disagrees with a veteran's opinion on anything is unpatriotic. Why not let your opinions and arguments stand or fall on their own weight?
seems as if you "conveniently" left this part out- "even when the person joined out of high school to avoid jail or because they were too dumb to go to college, and never got closer to combat than a stateside motor pool",and that's "exactly what I'm talking" about you ungrateful SOB!!!!!!!

Since: Jan 13

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#117 Apr 11, 2013
Paul wrote:
can anyone explain why the President is sending aid to Syria?
what kind of aid paul , military or humanitarian , to syria itself or to the rebels all types of aid , can you be more specific.
Clyde10

Cranberry Twp, PA

#118 Apr 11, 2013
Vet wrote:
<quoted text>seems as if you "conveniently" left this part out- "even when the person joined out of high school to avoid jail or because they were too dumb to go to college, and never got closer to combat than a stateside motor pool",and that's "exactly what I'm talking" about you ungrateful SOB!!!!!!!
Learn how to read. I'm criticizing those on here who demand exalted status for everyone who served in the military, regardless of the circumstances or extent of their service. I have great respect for many who served, especially those who served in combat. But I also went to high school with a lot of people who went into the military because they had no ambition or aptitude to do anything else, and didn't do anything particularly worthy of respect or gratitude while in the service. They got paid, fed, housed and recieved job training, all at government expense. A pretty good deal, considering they didn't have many othér options. I don't see their service as some great patriotic sacrifice.

It's funny how those who actually served out of a real sense of patiotism tend to not talk about their service or look for or expect people to acknowledge it, while those who served because they needed room, board and a job waive their veteran flag every chance they get.
Clyde10

Cranberry Twp, PA

#119 Apr 11, 2013
Tim wrote:
http://www.renewamerica.com/co lumns/hagin/040427
And, what, the Bush Administration covered it up? Get real. If they actually found any credible evidence that Saddam had WMDs anywhere near in time to when we invaded, the Bush Administration would have taken it on a world tour. The failure to find WMDs was a HUGE international embarassment. You think they found them, but kept quiet about it?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#120 Apr 11, 2013
Vet wrote:
<quoted text>seems as if you "conveniently" left this part out- "even when the person joined out of high school to avoid jail or because they were too dumb to go to college, and never got closer to combat than a stateside motor pool",and that's "exactly what I'm talking" about you ungrateful SOB!!!!!!!
at the risk of my syntax I'll help clear this statement up for you as you get easily confused. what clyde said was true maybe bunt but accurate. What makes any of this show he is ungrateful to those who served. quit pulling out the draft card when one of the vets talks out his ass . they are capable of being dumb as anyone else. unless you feel they deserve a free pass on ignorance .
Tim

Fredonia, NY

#121 Apr 11, 2013
Clyde10

Cranberry Twp, PA

#122 Apr 11, 2013
Tim wrote:
http://www.worldtribune.com/20 12/12/07/flashback-un-inspecto rs-saddam-shipped-out-wmd-befo re-war-and-after/
Doesn't anyone on here read real newspapers? Syria is one of Iran's closest allies. Yes, Iran -- Iraq's lnemy, with whom it fought a long and bitter war. You really think that Saddam Hussein would have given his WMD's to the closest ally of his biggest enemy for sake keeping?
Clyde10

Cranberry Twp, PA

#123 Apr 11, 2013
Paul wrote:
can anyone explain why the President is sending aid to Syria?
You mean this aid?

http://news.yahoo.com/senators-push-military-...
Tim

Fredonia, NY

#124 Apr 12, 2013
Tim

Fredonia, NY

#125 Apr 12, 2013
Clyde10 wrote:
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You mean this aid?
http://news.yahoo.com/senators-push-military-...
If thats the only aid then my answer is yes,that aid.

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