HEAP might go away/be limited

HEAP might go away/be limited

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Huh

Dunkirk, NY

#1 Dec 6, 2012
According to an article in the Buffalo News.

http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...

OK, who cares? I hope we do go over the fiscal cliff. Make the poor choose between necessity and luxury. I myself am not destitute but I have to make ends meet like everyone else. I gave up cable, drinking, going out to eat because I'd rather save that money and pay my bills.

Where in the constitution are you guaranteed a flat screen and cable TV in addition to help on your energy bills? If I walk into a HEAP household and I see the family's done everything they can to make ends meet - I give them help. If I see computers, TVs, and cable, I take their heating allowance and give it to someone who truly needs it.

That's the problem with assistance now. There's no personal accountability. No one oversees the handouts to ensure that the recipient isn't buying drugs/alcohol, on a 200/mo cell phone data plan, paying 100+/mo for TV and internet. They just give 'em their EBT card and a check to cover the National Fuel bill. It's a joke and a slap at those of us who make sacrifices.

Squeeze them, and squeeze them hard. Make them make their dollars go farther. That's all I ask. Make them be at least a little bit responsible for themselves. It's not your job and my job to keep them living the lifestyle we've earned.
gusinski

United States

#2 Dec 6, 2012
Perfectly stated.
Heapy

Dunkirk, NY

#3 Dec 6, 2012
I need my heap!
gusinski

Fredonia, NY

#4 Dec 6, 2012
Heapy wrote:
I need my heap!
get off your a** and work for it heisenberger.
tom

Dunkirk, NY

#5 Dec 8, 2012
I for one am glad there is so much "help" in Dunkirk. Not because I receive any, but because without the help these poorer folk would be spending their money wisely and not at my business!!!! Take away the $500 or so for heap, and do you think the poor family cuts internet usage??? No, they dont..Time Warner still gets their money..the people that get hurt are LOCAL BUSINESSES. Their kid now does not go to their dance lessons, she gets a wii with a dance game. they do not pay a local business to put a new roof on their house, they do it themself to save money. they do not buy food at the local family owned restaurants..instead they go to the cheaper national chains.

Its one thing to be conservative...its another to be so conservative you forget that the money taken from the "rich" to give to the poor, gets spent and goes to the local businesses.
wow

Dunkirk, NY

#6 Dec 9, 2012
What wuzld I dos witout me heap
Huh

Dunkirk, NY

#7 Dec 10, 2012
tom, I disagree with you but you bring an interesting perspective to the topic. My overall argument is that there needs to be more oversight of "hand-out" type money. These people are essentially being written blank checks to ensure that they don't miss out on anything Johnny up the street has.

Let's be clear about something. People who work hard, save wisely, budget accordingly, and have nice little non-necessities have EARNED them. People who get government handouts should be prioritizing expeditures so that NEEDS are covered, not luxuries. I'll restate from above - I don't mind paying my taxes, my "fair share" if you will.. but damn it I do not want to pay for someone undeserving leech to live the kind of life I earned.

As much as I want government out of our lives, I'm all for implementation of a plan where social workers are assigned to assistance cases to monitor handouts. Assess the family, the property, perform drug testing, assess needs, create a reasonable budget, and assist when truly necessary. If a family does everything they can and can't heat their house, my God pay their heat bill - they are our brothers and sisters after all.

Don't take my tax money so they can go out to eat, buy flat screen TV's, subscribe to cable/sat TV, take dance lessons, play video games. And when Jimmy and Suzie ask why they don't have that stuff, they need to be told that it's becasuse mommy and daddy are making sure that you grow up wise and healthy and see what it takes to make it in this world, and we don't sit around and let Big Brother do it for us.
Joe White

Fredonia, NY

#8 Dec 10, 2012
Huh wrote:
tom, I disagree with you but you bring an interesting perspective to the topic. My overall argument is that there needs to be more oversight of "hand-out" type money. These people are essentially being written blank checks to ensure that they don't miss out on anything Johnny up the street has.
Let's be clear about something. People who work hard, save wisely, budget accordingly, and have nice little non-necessities have EARNED them. People who get government handouts should be prioritizing expeditures so that NEEDS are covered, not luxuries. I'll restate from above - I don't mind paying my taxes, my "fair share" if you will.. but damn it I do not want to pay for someone undeserving leech to live the kind of life I earned.
As much as I want government out of our lives, I'm all for implementation of a plan where social workers are assigned to assistance cases to monitor handouts. Assess the family, the property, perform drug testing, assess needs, create a reasonable budget, and assist when truly necessary. If a family does everything they can and can't heat their house, my God pay their heat bill - they are our brothers and sisters after all.
Don't take my tax money so they can go out to eat, buy flat screen TV's, subscribe to cable/sat TV, take dance lessons, play video games. And when Jimmy and Suzie ask why they don't have that stuff, they need to be told that it's becasuse mommy and daddy are making sure that you grow up wise and healthy and see what it takes to make it in this world, and we don't sit around and let Big Brother do it for us.
Exactly,well written and to the point. Yesterday I witnessed first hand how generous people are in helping those in need by donating to a worthwhile cause.
tom

Dunkirk, NY

#9 Dec 22, 2012
Huh wrote:
tom, I disagree with you but you bring an interesting perspective to the topic. My overall argument is that there needs to be more oversight of "hand-out" type money. These people are essentially being written blank checks to ensure that they don't miss out on anything Johnny up the street has.
Let's be clear about something. People who work hard, save wisely, budget accordingly, and have nice little non-necessities have EARNED them. People who get government handouts should be prioritizing expeditures so that NEEDS are covered, not luxuries. I'll restate from above - I don't mind paying my taxes, my "fair share" if you will.. but damn it I do not want to pay for someone undeserving leech to live the kind of life I earned.
As much as I want government out of our lives, I'm all for implementation of a plan where social workers are assigned to assistance cases to monitor handouts. Assess the family, the property, perform drug testing, assess needs, create a reasonable budget, and assist when truly necessary. If a family does everything they can and can't heat their house, my God pay their heat bill - they are our brothers and sisters after all.
Don't take my tax money so they can go out to eat, buy flat screen TV's, subscribe to cable/sat TV, take dance lessons, play video games. And when Jimmy and Suzie ask why they don't have that stuff, they need to be told that it's becasuse mommy and daddy are making sure that you grow up wise and healthy and see what it takes to make it in this world, and we don't sit around and let Big Brother do it for us.
We will agree to disagree, I guess. I see your point..why are you giving money to the bum who leaches off the system? I can agree with you there..there are some "bums" who dont work and just live off of welfare. However, who is gong to be put in charge of sorting through and finding these "bums". What classifies as a "bum"? Someone who broke his leg and was out of work, then his job fired him for being out of work? How much are you going to pay someone to monitor this? You would probably end up paying more taxes just in order to monitor the bums.

You also realize that if mommy and daddy do not give Jimmie and Suzie tvs, video games, etc..the chance is greater that they go thieving, and probably steal from you. You can blame their parents for not bringing them up right all you want..in the end you foot the bill anyway, since most of the time those 2 become "bums" anyway. At least giving them a halfway decent childhood increases the chances that they become college graduates at 22, and not a criminal, or teen parent at 17.

I'm not sure what you do for a living, so it may not apply to you..but lets say you own the pizza shop down by the pier. A "predominantly welfare area". If 50%(which I think is low) of the customers collected welfare, that means they have the disposable cash to buy from you. If they didn't, you go out of business..or at best, lose a good portion of income.

I'm not saying 'EVERYONE GETS FREE MONEY'..just that I believe welfare is needed..not only to give innocent children a chance at a decent life, but also so they spend money...the people on welfare spend 100% of their income every week/month or however they give money out. The economy needs more people to spend..and I'm not counting on my self to spend all my money.

If there is a way to monitor "bums", and not have to spend more money to do it, I would be all for it. Unfortunately, it costs money to "catch" the leaches..and it wouldn't be cost effective.
Colin

Lakewood, NY

#10 Dec 22, 2012
it truly helps me>>>i havent heard anything yet whether ot not im getting it again. I work full time but make less than $9/hour. I know life isnt fair but why should somebody who doesnt work AT ALL have everything paid for while a worker like myself who works for these people w/ their payroll taxes must struggle and freeze on top of it all. I look forward to going to work in the morning just to get warm.:)
The Don of Democracy

Fredonia, NY

#11 Dec 22, 2012
When everything is free by filling in forms and talking to the lady. Nothing has value. How about a classroom that is set at 70 degress and the child kept their coat on becasue "I'm cold". My hous eis set at 65 because it is too expensive to heat more than that. But if welfare pays the heat goes to something like 75 she tells me. I won't afford that, way too expensive.
HUH: Lets put a few things in perspective:
HEAP only pays a small amount for basic about $300 depending on the type of heat you have. To be eligible for this benefit your inocme has to be at or near poverty level. Huh, you make it sound like people are living in the lap of luxury as you struggle. I would add if you are that poor you are eligible for HEAP. Now sitting on your lazy butt and failing to work accepting welfare, HEAP etc. is plain wrong and should not be accepted for any length of time. Our society in its benificience is creating two cultures one works the other lives on welfare. Incidentially this is only true in NYS each state has its' own law and The Federal five year limit. I earn $11.50 an hour I get HEAP becasue I barely get by and lost my job due to budget cuts and now have my slary more thna cut inhalf but I work and contribute to the community too. Do you Huh? Your words are terribly harsh
Taxpayer

Fredonia, NY

#12 Dec 22, 2012
The Don of Democracy wrote:
When everything is free by filling in forms and talking to the lady. Nothing has value. How about a classroom that is set at 70 degress and the child kept their coat on becasue "I'm cold". My hous eis set at 65 because it is too expensive to heat more than that. But if welfare pays the heat goes to something like 75 she tells me. I won't afford that, way too expensive.
HUH: Lets put a few things in perspective:
HEAP only pays a small amount for basic about $300 depending on the type of heat you have. To be eligible for this benefit your inocme has to be at or near poverty level. Huh, you make it sound like people are living in the lap of luxury as you struggle. I would add if you are that poor you are eligible for HEAP. Now sitting on your lazy butt and failing to work accepting welfare, HEAP etc. is plain wrong and should not be accepted for any length of time. Our society in its benificience is creating two cultures one works the other lives on welfare. Incidentially this is only true in NYS each state has its' own law and The Federal five year limit. I earn $11.50 an hour I get HEAP becasue I barely get by and lost my job due to budget cuts and now have my slary more thna cut inhalf but I work and contribute to the community too. Do you Huh? Your words are terribly harsh
Have you ever thought about getting off the drugs and alcohol before making a comment,no wonder you only make $11.50 an hour.
The Don of Democracy

Fredonia, NY

#13 Dec 22, 2012
Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>Have you ever thought about getting off the drugs and alcohol before making a comment,no wonder you only make $11.50 an hour.
HOW VERY KIND OF YOU TO SAY SUCH NICE WORDS.
Must be your another "conservative, tea bagger, necon".
Not only are you wrong I am vehement in my opposion to alcholisma nd drug addiction. Crude just another fine fine citizen of the up and comming City of Dumkirk.
penny

East Aurora, NY

#14 Dec 23, 2012
The Don of Democracy wrote:
...
HUH: Lets put a few things in perspective:
HEAP only pays a small amount for basic about $300 depending on the type of heat you have. To be eligible for this benefit your inocme has to be at or near poverty level. Huh, you make it sound like people are living in the lap of luxury as you struggle. I would add if you are that poor you are eligible for HEAP....
Heap income level is actually over 200% of poverty level. For a household of one, the max level is $2138 (poverty level is $908) Go here and see:
otda ny gov/programs/heap/program asp#income replace spaces with dots.

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