New York Primary Election Sept 14: Wi...

New York Primary Election Sept 14: Will you vote?

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Teddy R

Reston, VA

#7752 Aug 4, 2012
really wrote:
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So...which is it. Obama has tried to do things congress doesn't agree with and they blocked it...then destroyed the economy...or Obama has done anything and congress blocks it so obama is out of the equation and ... again congress has destroyed the economy....either way you frame your argument, congress has caused the damage and its republican controlled now so.....yea thank you for affirming the point that its not Obama....
Yeah. Blame Congress. That might work ...

... and pigs might fly.
Teddy R

Reston, VA

#7756 Aug 4, 2012
wondering wrote:
To facilitate to them the performance of their duty, it is essential that you should practically bear in mind that towards the payment of debts there must be revenue; that to have revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised which are not more or less inconvenient and unpleasant; that the intrinsic embarrassment, inseparable from the selection of the proper objects (which is always a choice of difficulties), ought to be a decisive motive for a candid construction of the conduct of the government in making it, and for a spirit of acquiescence in the measures for obtaining revenue, which the public exigencies may at any time dictate.George Washngton
Well, now that's just a really touching history lesson from the Northwoods Ponytailed Hippie, extolling the virtures of taxes.

Of course, all the folks you quoted were writing at a time when the US federal government was spending well under 5% of GDP. In fact, US federal government spending was well under 5% of GDP throughout the country's early history, with two exceptions: 1) the Civil War (when federal spending ballooned to the unprecedented level of 13.27% of GDP (gasp!) in 1865, and 2) WWI, when federal gov't spending n
hit 24.07% of GDP in 1919. In both cases, federal spending was immediately hacked back to well under 8% of GDP in the year following, when the emergency had passed.

No, it was not until the FDR New Deal Progressives started turning Washington into Big Business for themselves that the US federal government began growing into the wealth-wasting monster that holds the American People in thrall today.

Here's the data: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_...

Study it carefully. Get a clue.
Teddy R

Reston, VA

#7757 Aug 4, 2012
really wrote:
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Meanwhile ignoring that the current tax records from Romney have sleezy shit in them,...


And you have credible evidence to back this slanderous accusation up?

No. Of course you don't. Partisan tool.
really wrote:
<quoted text>so people have asked to see more and he says no.
Of course not. Nobody's business but his and the IRS. The IRS is perfectly satisfied - so why aren't you?

Oh, yeah. That's right. Because then your guy has nothing to run on but his abysmal record of abject FAILURE.
Teddy R

Reston, VA

#7758 Aug 4, 2012
John wrote:
Here is Jon Stewart nailing Romney’s lies and deceptions about the tax code: http://romneytheliar.blogspot.com/
Here is Romney’s lie about President Obama having “raised” the corporate tax rate:http://romneytheliar.blog spot.com/…
Here is Romney claiming he pays a 50%(!!) tax rate: http://romneytheliar.blogspot.com/
Here is Romney’s lie about President Obama and rocket attacks against Israel: http://romneytheliar.blogspot.com/
Here are Romney’s lies about his “job creator” record:http://romneytheliar.bl ogspot.com/…
Here is Romney’s BLATANT lie that Gingrich “outspent him” in South Carolina: http://romneytheliar.blogspot.com/
Here is Romney’s lie about President Obama’s record on regulations, a lie of ASTONISHING magnitude:http://romneytheliar .blogspot.com/…
Here is Romney lying about social programs that aid the poor:http://romneytheliar.blog spot.com/…
Here is Romney lying about his “blind trust”:http://romneytheliar.bl ogspot.com/…
Here is Romney attempting to take credit for an auto bailout he OPPOSED: http://romneytheliar.blogspot.com/
Here is Romney lying about his intentions for Social Security and Medicare: http://romneytheliar.blogspot.com/
Here’s Romney lying about the birth control ruling:http://romneytheliar.bl ogspot.com/…
Here’s an item about the vicious, lying, right-wing hitman that Romney has hired to spread lies about Willard’s opponents:http://romneytheliar .blogspot.com/…
Here’s Romney CONTINUING to tell the lie that “Obama made the recession worse”: http://romneytheliar.blogspot.com/
Here’s Romney calling himself “moderate” and “progressive” in 2002:
http://romneytheliar.blogspot.com/
Here’s Romney lying about his position on climate change:http://romneytheliar.bl ogspot.com/…
Here’s Romney lying about his “Mexican” background and his jobs record: http://romneytheliar.blogspot.com/
Here’s Romney lying about Medicare:http://romneytheliar. blogspot.com/…
Here’s Romney trying to rewrite the history of the auto bailout AGAIN:http://romneytheliar.blo gspot.com/…
Here’s Romney lying about defense policy in general and the Navy in particular:
http://romneytheliar.blogspot.com/
Here is Romney’s lying claim that he has never changed his position on immigration:http://romneytheli ar.blogspot.com/…
Here is Romney’s incredibly vicious lie that President Obama has “fought against religion”: http://romneytheliar.blogspot.com/
Here is Romney lying about sanctions on Iran:http://romneytheliar.blog spot.com/…
Here is Romney’s fictional account of his time as governor of Massachusetts: http://romneytheliar.blogspot.com/
Here are Romney’s INCREDIBLE lies about his record on abortion rights: http://romneytheliar.blogspot.com/
Here’s Romney lying about his own “memories”:http://romneythelia r.blogspot.com/…
Here’s Romney caught lying, on videotape:http://romneytheliar .blogspot.com/…
Here’s Romney’s lie about President Obama being a “crony capitalist”:http://romneytheli ar.blogspot.com/…
Here’s Romney lying about Obama and Iran–AGAIN:http://romneythelia r.blogspot.com/…
Here’s Romney’s utterly dishonest taxation and budgetary proposals:http://romneytheliar .blogspot.com/…
Here’s Romney lying about Obama and Medicare AGAIN:http://romneytheliar.blo gspot.com/…
Here is Bingo-Boy panicking.
Teddy R

Reston, VA

#7759 Aug 4, 2012
wondering wrote:
Who the hell is grover norquist?
An American patriot and hero.
Teddy R

Reston, VA

#7760 Aug 4, 2012
massenaintrest wrote:
Later, as governor in 2004, Romney signed a permanent assault weapons ban into law in Massachusetts. That included guns like the AR-15, which was one of the weapons used by suspected gunman James Holmes in the Colorado theater shooting.
“I believe the people should have the right to bear arms, but I don’t believe that we have to have assault weapons as part of our personal arsenal,” he said on Fox News in 2004.
But in 2006, when Romney was planting the seeds for a run for president, he began to walk back on some of the hard-line positions he took on gun ownership in Massachusetts. First, he joined the NRA as a designated "Lifetime Member." And in 2007, he told a crowd in New Hampshire, plainly, that he wanted the NRA's endorsement. They don't call him old flip flop for nothing.
Are you seriously trying to argue that in order to properly represent the values and desires of the People as an elected official of the People's Democratic Commonwealth of Taxachusetts, a candidate for POTUS would not have to modify his political product offering fairly substantially in order to properly represent the values and desires of the People of the entire nation?

Is this what you're seriously trying to argue?

Because if you are, it's an argument that as a practical matter would disqualify ANY Massachusetts Governor from either party from EVER seeking the office of POTUS.

Completely silly argument. Drop it before you make yourself look even siller.
Teddy R

Reston, VA

#7761 Aug 4, 2012
John wrote:
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The rich always endorse the rich. They need to stick together so they can screw the rest of us.
Naw, they don't. No need.

Because the intentionally clueless and victim mentalities do an excellent job of rationalizing and blaming others for their own failures and keeping themselves on the bottom without "the rich" doing anything other than simply being productive members of society. No need for such bizarre conspiracy theories.
Geoff

Bainbridge, NY

#7762 Aug 4, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
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Here is Bingo-Boy panicking.
Panicking about what? Do facts bother you?
Geoff

Bainbridge, NY

#7763 Aug 4, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
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An American patriot and hero.
No, he's the The Billionaires' Best Friend who hijacked the GOP on behalf of the rich

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/gro...
Geoff

Bainbridge, NY

#7764 Aug 4, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
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Naw, they don't. No need.
Because the intentionally clueless and victim mentalities do an excellent job of rationalizing and blaming others for their own failures and keeping themselves on the bottom without "the rich" doing anything other than simply being productive members of society. No need for such bizarre conspiracy theories.
See Grover Norquist above.

You think that if you caddy for them long enough one day they'll let you be a member of the County Club, but it's not going to happen.
business

Camillus, NY

#7765 Aug 4, 2012
Government is BIG BUSINESS and Romney, has been a successful businessman. We need someone with that ability to help get this country from the brink of disaster, financially. Now, to get the Congress and Senate to understand sound business practices. They are know-nothings accept how to use OUR money for their future gain and gain of their contributors.
I sincerely hope Romney will leave personal business out of the Presidency and work to get this country back on its feet and in a better fiscal condition.
When your car is broke, you take it to the place with the best mechanics to fix it. I believe Romney to be as honest as politics will allow, and sure as heck knows the ins and outs of good fiscal management. Give him a shot, I doubt that we could do worse than what we NOW HAVE..........
massenaintrest

Ithaca, NY

#7766 Aug 4, 2012
Teddy,you are stupider than I Thought,and i thought you were extremely stupid.The extreme twisting of facts and logic to rationalize Mitts' flip-flopping are truely stupendous.You are excusing his lies,by saying he had to or else he wouldn't get elected.Then how do you do know he is not lying now?The man has flip-flopped more then a circus acrobat and proven he has no moral compass.He will say or do anything to get elected.Bush 2,was a rotten,no-good bastard,who I hope burns in hell,but he was Bush,what you saw,was what you got.He didn't have conversions of convenience.No wonder our country is in trouble,there are too many voters with your views on pols lying.It's enablers like you that pollute our system,you don't want change,you just want to win at all costs.You are a pathetic cretin,who would need a ladder to reach a snakes belly.
massenaintrest

Ithaca, NY

#7768 Aug 4, 2012
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Binghamton, NY

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Teddy R wrote:

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Naw, they don't. No need.
Because the intentionally clueless and victim mentalities do an excellent job of rationalizing and blaming others for their own failures and keeping themselves on the bottom without "the rich" doing anything other than simply being productive members of society. No need for such bizarre conspiracy theories.
See Grover Norquist above.

You think that if you caddy for them long enough one day they'll let you be a member of the County Club, but it's not going to happen. Spot on Geoff.These morons that worship at the altar of the rich hope some will rub off on them.As for earning their own money,even a cursory examination by a person with a 6th grade education(ala Jethro B.),will show that Bush 2 got everything he ever owned due to the largesse of the friends of Bush 1.Bad boy Neal Bush would have been cooling his heels in a fed prison for years due to his involement with the Silverado S&L,if anyone other then his dads' pals had done the investigation,same with Shrub on Harkin Oil.I love it when people confuse being born on 3rd base with hitting a triple.
really

Burbank, CA

#7769 Aug 4, 2012
So what I don't get, "obama can't run on his record"....why...its good.

Our overall economy

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files...

Job creation (stagnant start but its getting up there...more than reagan...)

https://s3.amazonaws.com/obama.3cdn.net/1e129...

Stock Market

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-N36ZS-WZZEA/TzST5DO...

Health care is now getting better (despite the craze that everyone is making up on no evidence.) and becoming equal with the rest of the world finally (many nations have found our system laughable)

Finally we have a president speaking out on LBGT equality, something practically a non issue standard around many modern nations (obviously not countries like isreal or iraq)

Terrorism is at bay by actual technological advances and not stabs in the dark so we have less dead soldiers and less of them overseas.

More terrifs than ever have been raised on countries like china that have abused our resources.

Movements to fix income inequality have taken place and regulations on large businesses that were high risk toward the nation have begun

College loan systems for students have been reformed and made affordable making the nation slowly become more educated and of a higher standpoint.

Michelle Obama has led the way toward reducing obesity in this country and paving the way for schools to be more active and modern with their student's health regimens.

The repeal of dont ask dont tell.
Death of Osama Bin Laden
Cracking down on corruption in Senate.
Cracking down on no child left behind.
Leaving gun restrictions as despite crys for gun control and bans.

I mean, he has some issues...but for the most part........hes done a lot in 4 years and done it well....i don't get why people keep thinking that hes done a bad job and this epidemic of non-sensical gibberish is so bad people are just tuning it out...because its obviously wrong.

Also awesome website people should look at
http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/
really

Burbank, CA

#7770 Aug 4, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
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And you have credible evidence to back this slanderous accusation up?
No. Of course you don't. Partisan tool.
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Of course not. Nobody's business but his and the IRS. The IRS is perfectly satisfied - so why aren't you?
Oh, yeah. That's right. Because then your guy has nothing to run on but his abysmal record of abject FAILURE.
Actually yes, his current tax records show a number of off shore accounts that his money is sent to in bulk to not be taxed. Its tax evasion. Sure its a loophole, but the statement is "I am running for president and by the way, I don't want to chip in like everyone else."

See my last post, obamas records is actually pretty awesome
really

Burbank, CA

#7771 Aug 4, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
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Yeah. Blame Congress. That might work ...
... and pigs might fly.
I mean...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other...

Everyone thinks theyre doing a terrible job...and if you blame congress, next election...maybe they wont elect so many republicans when obama wins and shit will actually get done like in the beginning of his presidency...

And if you look at the pole numbers
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012...

Current poles show obama with a 74.6% chance of winning and project that in the current rate obama has a 70.9% chance of winning....so yea its pretty good odds that hes going to win the election
massenaintrest

Ithaca, NY

#7772 Aug 4, 2012
To Really:it's not about the job he's doing,it's because he's a democrat,and you combine that with his mixed race and father being born in Kenya and the haters have struck a gusher of bias and intolerance.Look what they did to Clinton,they denied the legitimacy of his right to be pres. from day 1.Every time a dem wins the presidency they go bat shit crazy.Bush loses the popular vote and they are ok with that,had it been the other way around they would still be creaming.No matter what obama does,they will still hate him and spread their lies.This started the moment he won the election and will continue all through his 2nd term.They are haters,it's what they are good at.They have no interest in results or facts,they just want him out of office.No one in his right mind thinks Obama was born any place other than America,but they persist in keeping this lie alive.They thrive and feed on it.They hold Obama responsible for his relatives and ancestors,but get outraged and make up lame excuses for Mitts' ancestors who were both polygamists and pedophiles.
massenaintrest

Ithaca, NY

#7773 Aug 4, 2012
Should have read "screaming"
really

Burbank, CA

#7774 Aug 4, 2012
massenaintrest wrote:
To Really:it's not about the job he's doing,it's because he's a democrat,and you combine that with his mixed race and father being born in Kenya and the haters have struck a gusher of bias and intolerance.Look what they did to Clinton,they denied the legitimacy of his right to be pres. from day 1.Every time a dem wins the presidency they go bat shit crazy.Bush loses the popular vote and they are ok with that,had it been the other way around they would still be creaming.No matter what obama does,they will still hate him and spread their lies.This started the moment he won the election and will continue all through his 2nd term.They are haters,it's what they are good at.They have no interest in results or facts,they just want him out of office.No one in his right mind thinks Obama was born any place other than America,but they persist in keeping this lie alive.They thrive and feed on it.They hold Obama responsible for his relatives and ancestors,but get outraged and make up lame excuses for Mitts' ancestors who were both polygamists and pedophiles.
Yea I guess i'm not confused as to why it happens that people say just untrue shit, just more of i'm confused with this day and age where one can google....how they come up with this shit. I mean....its not hard to get facts. Oh well. People can be idiots and it doesn't matter because Obama will still win, people will bitch, shit will get better, then 8 years down the road people will be like "why isn't this candidate doing good work like obama" Oh well.
John

Bainbridge, NY

#7775 Aug 4, 2012
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