ethanol-a pain in the gas!

[joe white]

anyone out there having ethanol related problems? what you don't know about it can really hurt your pocketbook. don't leave it in your lawn and garden equipment without adding the proper additives and be real careful in marine applications. just finished a tech forum on the subject. older IC engines(classic cars)etc can be damaged beyound repair by the stuff. of course todays newer cars are designed to run just fine with E-10,or E-85 if you have a flex fuel engine. don't EVER put E-85 in a non-flex fuel vehicle! both sta-bil,and lucas have an excellent additives available at most auto parts stores. there are a couple of others as well. add some prior to winter storage.

[ABC]

Huh?

[Im Sarah]

Amazing I understood every word Joe said....

NOT

lol

[Dad]

I fully understand what joe is saying, and knew about this also. What don't you understand people?

[joe white]

well ethanaol is derived from grain(mostly corn) and is pretty much alcohol.(not to be confused with adult beverages)alcohol is an excellent solvent(cleaner)but it is also hydroscopic which means it absorbs moisture.(mineral based brake fluid is hydroscopic as well.)the problem with the stuff(other than corn flakes have gone up in price)is that it attacks certain components in fuel systems not designed for it. rubber,plastic etc. many components in fuel systems of older vehicles,marine engines,lawnmowers,chain saws,weed eaters etc can not tolerate the alcohol content. in addition since alcohol is a solvent(cleaner)it starts to break up crud in the fuel system and causes plugged fuel filters,injectors etc. most cars have "in tank"fuel pumps and those on older vehicles have plastic and rubber components that were not designed to withstand alcohol. fuel pumps(in-tank electric)are not cheap and the cost(labor) of replacing them is 2-3 hundred bucks. hope that helps you ABC and SARAH?

[gusinski]

This is what joe said-- gas can gum up an engine if it sits awhile use a product called stable(walmart has it) to prevent this. ;)

[gusinski]

Dad wrote:

I fully understand what joe is saying, and knew about this also. What don't you understand people?

cause joe's an idiot and didn't explain it right

[panama red]

guz,joe told it right...just didnt tell the whole story.
what he didnt say was that the more alcohol in the blend the more fuel will be used in the combustion process.
meaning,your fuel mileage goes down because of the air fuel ratio differences between the two fuels.

50 mpg?
sure...but the costs involved will only increase because of the technoligy involved.
besides,we have not burnt real gas in our cars in years.
its all paint thinner now.

[ABC]

gusinski wrote:

This is what joe said-- gas can gum up an engine if it sits awhile use a product called stable(walmart has it) to prevent this. ;)

Thank you. I already use the little container of red stuff in the mower every spring and snowblower every winter. Have teens--car never sits idle---lol.

[ABC]

joe white wrote:

well ethanaol is derived from grain(mostly corn) and is pretty much alcohol.(not to be confused with adult beverages)alcohol is an excellent solvent(cleaner)but it is also hydroscopic which means it absorbs moisture.(mineral based brake fluid is hydroscopic as well.)the problem with the stuff(other than corn flakes have gone up in price)is that it attacks certain components in fuel systems not designed for it. rubber,plastic etc. many components in fuel systems of older vehicles,marine engines,lawnmowers,chain saws,weed eaters etc can not tolerate the alcohol content. in addition since alcohol is a solvent(cleaner)it starts to break up crud in the fuel system and causes plugged fuel filters,injectors etc. most cars have "in tank"fuel pumps and those on older vehicles have plastic and rubber components that were not designed to withstand alcohol. fuel pumps(in-tank electric)are not cheap and the cost(labor) of replacing them is 2-3 hundred bucks. hope that helps you ABC and SARAH?

School is still out for the summer--you really didn't think we would all follow that did ya? lol As usual you provide excellent detail just we all are not motor heads and chemists. If you had started with "hey if you leave gas in your mower over the winter, put in an additive come spring because.....(then your speal) more of us would have "got it". Going out on a limb here to speak for someone else, but guessing Sarah would have understood it all as well. Thank you again for the patience :) On the up side--already knew that sitting gas gunks up your engine and separates so you need to put in the additive.

[ABC]

Im Sarah wrote:

Amazing I understood every word Joe said....
NOT
lol

Hey Sarah, if you are the one stuck mowing your lawn and snowblowing the drive then before the season starts and you use the machine, dump some of the gas additive ( that little plastic container that you squeeze and it pre-measures the red--mine is red at least--gook out that you keep over there on that shelf next to the other ton of "must have" stuff that we just use) to add to the tank before you start it to get rid of the goop and gunk that collected while it sat all season. If you are lucky enough to not be the one mowing and snowblowing, then "remind" who ever is to do all the technical stuff Joe wrote (you'll blow their mind!!!!) LOL LOL

[panama red]

what joe didnt say....and sorry if its too much for the non "motorheads" and "chemists"..... but those who would like to learn something about what they are buying and whats it gonna cost them will understand.
maybe....
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/0909phr...

the article is from 2009 but the basics are the same.

i look at it as the eventual end of carburated engines unless your willing to buy "special fuels" like the racers do.
$$$
the gas racers basically race with 22 gallon fuel cells and the alky guys are using 32.
right around 30 percent difference...

[ABC]

Dad wrote:

I fully understand what joe is saying, and knew about this also. What don't you understand people?

Well you fully understood what Joe said because you are DAD! DAH, Dad's know everything!! That's why we look up to you and love you sooooo much. Plus, being the great Dad you are, you took care of all that stuff for us. Sure, at some point you explained it all to us before you sent us out into the "real-world", but you explained it like Joe, and all we heard was "this stuff blah, blah, blah,(tune out cause it was too technical) add to the tank...more blah, blah, blah...." then we went "Ok Dad, got it." even though we didn't because we wanted you to be proud of us. Then we went to Uncle Gus and asked him what the heck you were talking about. Uncle Gus then gave us the skinny and simple version which we understood, which helped us to realize that we already "knew" what Dad was trying to tell us just not "that way". Dad, here is a tip--we already love you and know you are wise like Papa Joe, you don't need to impress us with all the "big people" talk. Keep it simple for us. Love, Your Daughters

(Thank you for letting us have some fun with this one.:)

[Im Sarah]

ABC wrote:

<quoted text>Hey Sarah, if you are the one stuck mowing your lawn and snowblowing the drive then before the season starts and you use the machine, dump some of the gas additive ( that little plastic container that you squeeze and it pre-measures the red--mine is red at least--gook out that you keep over there on that shelf next to the other ton of "must have" stuff that we just use) to add to the tank before you start it to get rid of the goop and gunk that collected while it sat all season. If you are lucky enough to not be the one mowing and snowblowing, then "remind" who ever is to do all the technical stuff Joe wrote (you'll blow their mind!!!!) LOL LOL

Oh! You mean that yucky stuff that you put in where the gas thingy goes when you fill up your tank. Gotcha! I once Googled about it to find out so I wouldn't have to ask and feel like a total moron. The shocked look I got that I "knew what I was doing" when it comes to a car was priceless. heehee

As for the mowing and snow blowing, I am never available to do that lol

[joe white]

stable is a great product but unlike the NC idiot said,make sure it has the ethanol additive so you don't harm your engine. the guy is so stupid i can't understand why he even replys to this stuff!joe white,CCP,RTPP,ASE certified!

[joe white]

just so you know,the liar(in post #7) said "i said this) which of course is a complete lie as usual! the idiot can not read which of course doesn't surprise me.

[ABC]

Im Sarah wrote:

<quoted text>
Oh! You mean that yucky stuff that you put in where the gas thingy goes when you fill up your tank. Gotcha! I once Googled about it to find out so I wouldn't have to ask and feel like a total moron. The shocked look I got that I "knew what I was doing" when it comes to a car was priceless. heehee
As for the mowing and snow blowing, I am never available to do that lol

Yeah, that yucky stuff...don't forget to put the whosamagig dodad back on when you're done either. lol As for the mowing and snow blowing...you must hang out with my kid---never around when there's work to be done! lol lol

[Im Sarah]

ABC wrote:

<quoted text>Yeah, that yucky stuff...don't forget to put the whosamagig dodad back on when you're done either. lol As for the mowing and snow blowing...you must hang out with my kid---never around when there's work to be done! lol lol

I learned from my mama to never be around lol

One day my check engine light went on. I just knew what it was. A FEMALE put the cap on the thingamagig and I could hear she didn't do it right. Once that light went on I knew I had been right. Clicked it and the light went off. I was so dang proud of myself hehheh

[joe white]

ABC wrote:

<quoted text>Thank you. I already use the little container of red stuff in the mower every spring and snowblower every winter. Have teens--car never sits idle---lol.

the "red" stuff was great for pre-ethanol fuel to keep it from going stale but does NOT contain ethanol neutralizer! the stuff you need is green and clearly states the word ethanol on the container. put some in(1 oz per 5 gallons)your gas jug now and every time you fill the jug. that way your equipment will always be treated. as i said earlier if you vehicle is newer you need not worry as they are desined to run on either e-10 or if a flex fuel engine,e-85. again,never but never run e-85 in anything other than a engine designed to run on it! see your owners manual or ask your dealer if you aren't sure.

[gusinski]

joe white wrote:

stable is a great product but unlike the NC idiot said,make sure it has the ethanol additive so you don't harm your engine. the guy is so stupid i can't understand why he even replys to this stuff!joe white,CCP,RTPP,ARSE certified!

Don't forget the two Phd's and the fortune 500 company you work for and in charge of hiring, and that you take in wayward children and ARSE certified ?? Don't forget Your a certifiable NUT CASE!

joe is there anything your not an expert on?

Joe white B. S. ER WTF BFD LMAO